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Post by M1104 on Mar 14, 2020 19:29:40 GMT
How are you going to enforce any such lockdown? The same way Italy currently is - police & army. Currently, you need a permit to be out in Italy and you can only get one every 3 days. Italy have gone further with actual jail terms for anyone breaking the lockdown which is harsh personally - I'd simply just arrest people instead. France is now starting on their own lockdown by closing non-essential public places from midnight. Meanwhile from Monday the United States will expand its European flight bans to include the United Kingdom and Ireland, although US residents abroad can still return home |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 14, 2020 20:04:15 GMT
I’m aware of the detrimental affect it has on the elderly and those with underlining health issues. Seeing people travelling on the tube wearing masks which are doing anything except create fear and hysteria (my opinion) I watched a man on the 04:00 to London from Welwyn, board the train wearing a mask, the unit had been thoroughly cleaned and then berthed and secured until I liven the unit at 03:45 this morning. He then removed the mask took a sip of his drink and then put the mask back on. Some of the masks being used have a short life use, each their own but the scaremongering and hysteria with people buying way too much is unbelievable and I feel for those less fortunate than most unable to purchase basic necessities. I agree with you in regards to masks which are practically useless for protection - as you mention, disposable masks need to be thrown away after a period of time - roughly 30 mins - whilst other masks would need to be constantly cleaned. Regularly cleaning hands & wearing gloves where possible is really the only protection. I also agree with you in regards to the panic buying which is beginning to stretch supply which simply can’t keep up with demand. Some people are even buying it to profit out of others misery - I’ve found toilet roll on eBay at £100. I've only seen a few people wearing face masks in Central London mainly on the tube, then again before this virus started some people wore them to combat dust and air pollution. If they want to wear them for whatever reason that's up to them it doesn't bother me in the slightest. What does get me is the constant moaning and negativity from some people, goodness only knows how they would cope if there was a war on. Supermarkets and their suppliers have been working d*mn hard behind the scenes to keep shelves stocked and they have a constant shortage of drivers to contend with (it's probably even worse than in the bus industry) but I don't suppose there will be any appreciation for it just people moaning about others allegedly panic buying which of course stops them panic buying! A guy local to me is offering to get shopping and medication for elderly people who can't get out and won't accept any payment for doing so yet people seeing him wheeling a full trolley out of the supermarket will probably brand him a selfish panic buyer. This contrasts sharply with the person you mentioned selling toilet rolls on eBay at an extortionate price. Obviously it remains to be seen how things work out in the coming weeks but it would be nice to see some of the British stiff upper lip but it seems we've become a nation of whingers looking for somebody else to blame for everything. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 14, 2020 20:09:27 GMT
I agree with you in regards to masks which are practically useless for protection - as you mention, disposable masks need to be thrown away after a period of time - roughly 30 mins - whilst other masks would need to be constantly cleaned. Regularly cleaning hands & wearing gloves where possible is really the only protection. I also agree with you in regards to the panic buying which is beginning to stretch supply which simply can’t keep up with demand. Some people are even buying it to profit out of others misery - I’ve found toilet roll on eBay at £100. I've only seen a few people wearing face masks in Central London mainly on the tube, then again before this virus started some people wore them to combat dust and air pollution. If they want to wear them for whatever reason that's up to them it doesn't bother me in the slightest. What does get me is the constant moaning and negativity from some people, goodness only knows how they would cope if there was a war on. Supermarkets and their suppliers have been working d*mn hard behind the scenes to keep shelves stocked and they have a constant shortage of drivers to contend with (it's probably even worse than in the bus industry) but I don't suppose there will be any appreciation for it just people moaning about others allegedly panic buying which of course stops them panic buying! A guy local to me is offering to get shopping and medication for elderly people who can't get out and won't accept any payment for doing so yet people seeing him wheeling a full trolley out of the supermarket will probably brand him a selfish panic buyer. This contrasts sharply with the person you mentioned selling toilet rolls on eBay at an extortionate price. Obviously it remains to be seen how things work out in the coming weeks but it would be nice to see some of the British stiff upper lip but it seems we've become a nation of whingers looking for somebody else to blame for everything. Apologies - should clarify that I’m referring to people not affected by the worst outcome who are panic buying rather than elderly or poor health sufferers who have a genuine reason to panic buy. Sadly, the vast majority of our customers panic buying are least effected individuals doing it for themselves. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 14, 2020 20:24:43 GMT
I've only seen people on the tube wearing masks and it seems most people are carrying on pretty much as usual in London and elsewhere. I suspect the toilet roll hoarding is people stocking up just in case they have to self isolate indeed some vulnerable people have probably already decided it's safer to stay at home. Seen people both on the public transport network as well as coming into where I work and walking about in general - not loads yet but no doubt as hysteria spreads, people acquire them despite the fact they're worthless just like the ill advised panic buying that's going at places like Tesco & Sainsbury's (thankfully hasn't occurred at my Iceland branch yet) Iceland came to the rescue for me earlier this evening. I wanted to buy some large free-range eggs. After 2 Asdas had run out of most eggs and Farmfoods didn't have any, I was able to buy half a dozen at Iceland. I was not going to panic buy though! |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 14, 2020 20:27:02 GMT
I've only seen a few people wearing face masks in Central London mainly on the tube, then again before this virus started some people wore them to combat dust and air pollution. If they want to wear them for whatever reason that's up to them it doesn't bother me in the slightest. What does get me is the constant moaning and negativity from some people, goodness only knows how they would cope if there was a war on. Supermarkets and their suppliers have been working d*mn hard behind the scenes to keep shelves stocked and they have a constant shortage of drivers to contend with (it's probably even worse than in the bus industry) but I don't suppose there will be any appreciation for it just people moaning about others allegedly panic buying which of course stops them panic buying! A guy local to me is offering to get shopping and medication for elderly people who can't get out and won't accept any payment for doing so yet people seeing him wheeling a full trolley out of the supermarket will probably brand him a selfish panic buyer. This contrasts sharply with the person you mentioned selling toilet rolls on eBay at an extortionate price. Obviously it remains to be seen how things work out in the coming weeks but it would be nice to see some of the British stiff upper lip but it seems we've become a nation of whingers looking for somebody else to blame for everything. Apologies - should clarify that I’m referring to people not affected by the worst outcome who are panic buying rather than elderly or poor health sufferers who have a genuine reason to panic buy. Sadly, the vast majority of our customers panic buying are least effected individuals doing it for themselves. Yes I can understand that but without questioning everybody it's impossible to know the reasons why they are buying so much. I think some people are genuinely scared of what's coming in the next few weeks and they want to make sure that if we do end up in some sort of lockdown situation they will at least have something to eat. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 14, 2020 20:46:10 GMT
I use the frequent Stagecoach Manchester route 192 quite often, especially but not just for work. This morning I just missed one and had my longest wait yet for a Saturday. Then many bus stops that usually have at least 1 person waiting had nobody waiting. I did therefore reach work on time. It made me think that there was at least 1 bus driver on that route off sick and fewer people wanting to head to busy Manchester or out on a bus occupied by other people.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 14, 2020 22:11:06 GMT
Seen people both on the public transport network as well as coming into where I work and walking about in general - not loads yet but no doubt as hysteria spreads, people acquire them despite the fact they're worthless just like the ill advised panic buying that's going at places like Tesco & Sainsbury's (thankfully hasn't occurred at my Iceland branch yet) Iceland came to the rescue for me earlier this evening. I wanted to buy some large free-range eggs. After 2 Asdas had run out of most eggs and Farmfoods didn't have any, I was able to buy half a dozen at Iceland. I was not going to panic buy though! Hope you enjoyed them  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 14, 2020 22:49:16 GMT
Iceland came to the rescue for me earlier this evening. I wanted to buy some large free-range eggs. After 2 Asdas had run out of most eggs and Farmfoods didn't have any, I was able to buy half a dozen at Iceland. I was not going to panic buy though! Hope you enjoyed them I admit I haven't had them as they will be for breakfast next week. I eagerly wait to see whether I even prefer them to Asda's.  |
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 15, 2020 1:02:09 GMT
Surprisingly yesterday on the Jubilee Line there were still plenty of people about!
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 15, 2020 7:10:25 GMT
Lockdown should of been implemented about a week ago given how Italy cases have ramped up this isn't about left or right this is simple doing the right thing instead of "Herd Immunity" basically culling off the old and weak the whole dealing with this has been a shambles it really isn't good enough a group of 229 scientists have wrote to the Chief medical officer asking to see these plans and saying that it's basically a stupid idea ! Total Lockdown is what we need this is a National Emergency .
Like Christmas but for 14 days , Police and Army on the streets enforcing special permits to go to work in the Hospitals , Tesco , Etc this is what needs to happen one life lost is one too many not "we may lose our loved ones sooner than we'd like but that's life" anyone elderly or with "underlying issues" is looked upon like they don't matter whole handling is absolutely shocking !!!
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Post by greenboy on Mar 15, 2020 7:39:46 GMT
Lockdown should of been implemented about a week ago given how Italy cases have ramped up this isn't about left or right this is simple doing the right thing instead of "Herd Immunity" basically culling off the old and weak the whole dealing with this has been a shambles it really isn't good enough a group of 229 scientists have wrote to the Chief medical officer asking to see these plans and saying that it's basically a stupid idea ! Total Lockdown is what we need this is a National Emergency . Like Christmas but for 14 days , Police and Army on the streets enforcing special permits to go to work in the Hospitals , Tesco , Etc this is what needs to happen one life lost is one too many not "we may lose our loved ones sooner than we'd like but that's life" anyone elderly or with "underlying issues" is looked upon like they don't matter whole handling is absolutely shocking !!! Lockdown? There are many people, including some on here, who still refuse to take this seriously. If this is going to peak in a few weeks/months time there is little point in trying to implement any sort of lockdown now, people may tolerate a few days of lockdown but anything more than that and a lot of people will just stick two fingers up to it. It's all this talk of lockdown that's causing the so called panic buying, I was listening to a radio phone in and many people admitted 'panic buying' but they're only doing so to ensure they have food to eat in a few weeks time if the country does go into lockdown. Ironically supermarket chains have plans in place because of the scaremongering about Brexit, remember that? That's all paled into insignificance now. I don't think anybody is suggesting that elderly people don't matter but inevitably they are at the greatest risk as they would be with anything else. There is talk of a lockdown for over 70s, but that would have to be a voluntary thing, but it seems that there is little risk to younger people. Obviously things can change very quickly but I really don't think we need to be pushing any panic buttons just yet. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 15, 2020 8:42:36 GMT
Lockdown should of been implemented about a week ago given how Italy cases have ramped up this isn't about left or right this is simple doing the right thing instead of "Herd Immunity" basically culling off the old and weak the whole dealing with this has been a shambles it really isn't good enough a group of 229 scientists have wrote to the Chief medical officer asking to see these plans and saying that it's basically a stupid idea ! Total Lockdown is what we need this is a National Emergency . Like Christmas but for 14 days , Police and Army on the streets enforcing special permits to go to work in the Hospitals , Tesco , Etc this is what needs to happen one life lost is one too many not "we may lose our loved ones sooner than we'd like but that's life" anyone elderly or with "underlying issues" is looked upon like they don't matter whole handling is absolutely shocking !!! Lockdown? There are many people, including some on here, who still refuse to take this seriously. If this is going to peak in a few weeks/months time there is little point in trying to implement any sort of lockdown now, people may tolerate a few days of lockdown but anything more than that and a lot of people will just stick two fingers up to it. It's all this talk of lockdown that's causing the so called panic buying, I was listening to a radio phone in and many people admitted 'panic buying' but they're only doing so to ensure they have food to eat in a few weeks time if the country does go into lockdown. Ironically supermarket chains have plans in place because of the scaremongering about Brexit, remember that? That's all paled into insignificance now. I don't think anybody is suggesting that elderly people don't matter but inevitably they are at the greatest risk as they would be with anything else. There is talk of a lockdown for over 70s, but that would have to be a voluntary thing, but it seems that there is little risk to younger people. Obviously things can change very quickly but I really don't think we need to be pushing any panic buttons just yet. I think lockdown is not the route the current government are going down ... more a case of let the healthy get it, so 'the herd' build up immunity. Trouble with lock down, you do it once for a month, then 6 weeks later it come back, you are back to square one. Let's hope it is not like Spanish flu of 1918 where it went, mutated, then came back 5 times worse a few months later. It is a shame that you think the British population are incapable of doing what is being entrusted to other nations populations. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:08:24 GMT
Lockdown should of been implemented about a week ago given how Italy cases have ramped up this isn't about left or right this is simple doing the right thing instead of "Herd Immunity" basically culling off the old and weak the whole dealing with this has been a shambles it really isn't good enough a group of 229 scientists have wrote to the Chief medical officer asking to see these plans and saying that it's basically a stupid idea ! Total Lockdown is what we need this is a National Emergency . Like Christmas but for 14 days , Police and Army on the streets enforcing special permits to go to work in the Hospitals , Tesco , Etc this is what needs to happen one life lost is one too many not "we may lose our loved ones sooner than we'd like but that's life" anyone elderly or with "underlying issues" is looked upon like they don't matter whole handling is absolutely shocking !!! Lockdown? There are many people, including some on here, who still refuse to take this seriously. If this is going to peak in a few weeks/months time there is little point in trying to implement any sort of lockdown now, people may tolerate a few days of lockdown but anything more than that and a lot of people will just stick two fingers up to it. It's all this talk of lockdown that's causing the so called panic buying, I was listening to a radio phone in and many people admitted 'panic buying' but they're only doing so to ensure they have food to eat in a few weeks time if the country does go into lockdown. Ironically supermarket chains have plans in place because of the scaremongering about Brexit, remember that? That's all paled into insignificance now. I don't think anybody is suggesting that elderly people don't matter but inevitably they are at the greatest risk as they would be with anything else. There is talk of a lockdown for over 70s, but that would have to be a voluntary thing, but it seems that there is little risk to younger people. Obviously things can change very quickly but I really don't think we need to be pushing any panic buttons just yet. I think we must be watching different TV reports. The government is asking manufacturers to turn over production lines to make ventilators - I am sorry I don't want seem like I am trolling for reactions BUT this is getting serious. France is pretty much in total lockdown now.
One thing transport related - I noticed just how packed some EL1 buses were yesterday I think maybe buses should be instructed to only carry seated passengers with no standing to try and minimise close contact! I know t can't be enforced and sitting next to passengers is similar.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 15, 2020 10:36:26 GMT
Lockdown? There are many people, including some on here, who still refuse to take this seriously. If this is going to peak in a few weeks/months time there is little point in trying to implement any sort of lockdown now, people may tolerate a few days of lockdown but anything more than that and a lot of people will just stick two fingers up to it. It's all this talk of lockdown that's causing the so called panic buying, I was listening to a radio phone in and many people admitted 'panic buying' but they're only doing so to ensure they have food to eat in a few weeks time if the country does go into lockdown. Ironically supermarket chains have plans in place because of the scaremongering about Brexit, remember that? That's all paled into insignificance now. I don't think anybody is suggesting that elderly people don't matter but inevitably they are at the greatest risk as they would be with anything else. There is talk of a lockdown for over 70s, but that would have to be a voluntary thing, but it seems that there is little risk to younger people. Obviously things can change very quickly but I really don't think we need to be pushing any panic buttons just yet. I think we must be watching different TV reports. The government is asking manufacturers to turn over production lines to make ventilators - I am sorry I don't want seem like I am trolling for reactions BUT this is getting serious. France is pretty much in total lockdown now.
One thing transport related - I noticed just how packed some EL1 buses were yesterday I think maybe buses should be instructed to only carry seated passengers with no standing to try and minimise close contact! I know t can't be enforced and sitting next to passengers is similar.
Yes but the point I was making is that there is no shortage of food and I think supermarkets and their supply chains are doing a pretty good job in difficult circumstances. Obviously the virus should be taken seriously but at the same time we need to be careful not to overreact. France isn't in lockdown just the closure of non essential businesses like pubs nightclubs and restaurants. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 15, 2020 12:11:11 GMT
I use the frequent Stagecoach Manchester route 192 quite often, especially but not just for work. This morning I just missed one and had my longest wait yet for a Saturday. Then many bus stops that usually have at least 1 person waiting had nobody waiting. I did therefore reach work on time. It made me think that there was at least 1 bus driver on that route off sick and fewer people wanting to head to busy Manchester or out on a bus occupied by other people. I think that's the likely short-term impact of Coronavirus, buses not turning up because the driver is sick or following advice to self-isolate and fewer passengers travelling for the same reasons. If a lot of drivers are absent, and/or if passenger numbers start dropping significantly some companies may introduce emergency temporary timetables. I can't say yet that I have noticed any appreciable difference here in Torbay and yet we are one of the first UK hotspots. Even restaurants, pubs and shops have not started closing down yet. Stagecoach have issued a statement* that, for now, there is no advisory against normal travel and so they are operating a full service. They are giving extra attention to cleaning and driver hygiene. * it's on their website. |
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