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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2020 13:01:08 GMT
Do you that Sadiq Khan would follow though on Boris’ demand and make the London Underground drivel’s? Does the track and signals really have to changed for the Tube to be driverless. The unions won't want driverless trains and will likely lock horns with TfL if any such proposal is bought forward for driverless trains, which I can't see happening and of course they can easily strike to use their leverage. For what its worth my view on driverless trains is that they've been an inevitability for a while. In this digital age lots of blue collar jobs can be digitalised with new jobs being in different sectors and in future I think we'll see a shift to white collar jobs at the expense of blue collar ones. Consider that on London Underground there used to be guards but getting rid of them was the thin end of a wedge which eventually leads to autonomy. I think guards are a good thing to have on long distance services to tend to the needs of passengers and in case of emergencies but don't see much need for them on a metro system, having some staff member on every train would be a niceity but would be expensive, a theoretical advantage of driverless train is you could save money on wages but in reality if they ever did happen TfL may have to redeploy the drivers and give them alternative employment given how unpopular driverless trains will be with the unions. What I'm trying to say is that I think driverless trains will happen eventually but that there'll be long hard battles with unions before we see them meaning its unlikely they'll happen any time soon. I agree that it's just a matter of when regarding driverless tubes...... I can understand the union opposition but it's inevitably going to happen sooner or later. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 15:21:19 GMT
Do you that Sadiq Khan would follow though on Boris’ demand and make the London Underground drivel’s? Does the track and signals really have to changed for the Tube to be driverless. The unions won't want driverless trains and will likely lock horns with TfL if any such proposal is bought forward for driverless trains, which I can't see happening and of course they can easily strike to use their leverage. For what its worth my view on driverless trains is that they've been an inevitability for a while. In this digital age lots of blue collar jobs can be digitalised with new jobs being in different sectors and in future I think we'll see a shift to white collar jobs at the expense of blue collar ones. Consider that on London Underground there used to be guards but getting rid of them was the thin end of a wedge which eventually leads to autonomy. I think guards are a good thing to have on long distance services to tend to the needs of passengers and in case of emergencies but don't see much need for them on a metro system, having some staff member on every train would be a niceity but would be expensive, a theoretical advantage of driverless train is you could save money on wages but in reality if they ever did happen TfL may have to redeploy the drivers and give them alternative employment given how unpopular driverless trains will be with the unions. What I'm trying to say is that I think driverless trains will happen eventually but that there'll be long hard battles with unions before we see them meaning its unlikely they'll happen any time soon. But Sadiq Kahn is in the unique position in the sense that it wouldn’t be TfL pushing for this it would be the government. He could use TfL as a go between but ultimately pass the buck to the DfT to oversee contracts and negotiations. Ultimately I think this is just a natural progression in roles as technology evolves. Drivers will become more like passenger assistants and much like the DLR could step in to assist when needed at peaks. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 25, 2020 11:01:06 GMT
As some of you may have noticed when travelling by train as of late, some of the major long distance train operators, notably LNER and Avanti West Coast say that reservations are either mandatory (LNER) or recommended (Avanti West Coast) onboard their services, as well as wearing a face covering of course. However, after travelling with both operators over the last week, I was surprised to find that none of this was actually enforced. Usually ticket checks take place on these services so I would've assumed that the rules concerning reservations and social distancing would have been enforced during these checks however on my journeys nobody actually checked. The only time I saw the conductors were when they were walking up and down the train checking that the aisles and doorways were clear. On my LNER journey a few days ago to Edinburgh, despite a crew change at Newcastle a check didn't take place, and on the return journey last night, we were only checked for reservations prior to boarding the train because there were no ticket barriers on Platform 19 at Edinburgh Waverley.
I'm aware that conductors are on the front line and are most at risk of picking up the virus when these checks are taking place, and they were told at the start of the pandemic to remain in the back cab. However, now that there are less infections and conductors have face coverings and possibly gloves available to them, I'm rather surprised these checks weren't taking place. I'm assuming the train operators trust that we use our common sense when travelling and wear a face mask at all times and sit in your booked seat, and from what I observed on my journeys this seemed to be the case.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 25, 2020 11:40:46 GMT
As some of you may have noticed when travelling by train as of late, some of the major long distance train operators, notably LNER and Avanti West Coast say that reservations are either mandatory (LNER) or recommended (Avanti West Coast) onboard their services, as well as wearing a face covering of course. However, after travelling with both operators over the last week, I was surprised to find that none of this was actually enforced. Usually ticket checks take place on these services so I would've assumed that the rules concerning reservations and social distancing would have been enforced during these checks however on my journeys nobody actually checked. The only time I saw the conductors were when they were walking up and down the train checking that the aisles and doorways were clear. On my LNER journey a few days ago to Edinburgh, despite a crew change at Newcastle a check didn't take place, and on the return journey last night, we were only checked for reservations prior to boarding the train because there were no ticket barriers on Platform 19 at Edinburgh Waverley. I'm aware that conductors are on the front line and are most at risk of picking up the virus when these checks are taking place, and they were told at the start of the pandemic to remain in the back cab. However, now that there are less infections and conductors have face coverings and possibly gloves available to them, I'm rather surprised these checks weren't taking place. I'm assuming the train operators trust that we use our common sense when travelling and wear a face mask at all times and sit in your booked seat, and from what I observed on my journeys this seemed to be the case. I think all on board ticket checks throughout the rail industry have been stopped until further notice because of social distancing. |
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Post by 700101 on Jul 25, 2020 18:21:45 GMT
As some of you may have noticed when travelling by train as of late, some of the major long distance train operators, notably LNER and Avanti West Coast say that reservations are either mandatory (LNER) or recommended (Avanti West Coast) onboard their services, as well as wearing a face covering of course. However, after travelling with both operators over the last week, I was surprised to find that none of this was actually enforced. Usually ticket checks take place on these services so I would've assumed that the rules concerning reservations and social distancing would have been enforced during these checks however on my journeys nobody actually checked. The only time I saw the conductors were when they were walking up and down the train checking that the aisles and doorways were clear. On my LNER journey a few days ago to Edinburgh, despite a crew change at Newcastle a check didn't take place, and on the return journey last night, we were only checked for reservations prior to boarding the train because there were no ticket barriers on Platform 19 at Edinburgh Waverley. I'm aware that conductors are on the front line and are most at risk of picking up the virus when these checks are taking place, and they were told at the start of the pandemic to remain in the back cab. However, now that there are less infections and conductors have face coverings and possibly gloves available to them, I'm rather surprised these checks weren't taking place. I'm assuming the train operators trust that we use our common sense when travelling and wear a face mask at all times and sit in your booked seat, and from what I observed on my journeys this seemed to be the case. I think all on board ticket checks throughout the rail industry have been stopped until further notice because of social distancing. Yes that’s correct all ticket checks have been stopped, majority’s of train managers/conductors/obs have been advised to stay in rear/middle cabs on trains and are just making announcements/opening & closing doors (obs just making announcements) Rail Protection offices have been mainly at gatelines/walking through trains just advising customers to wear masks With some handing masks out. Majority of tocs now have portable screens at stations to issue penalty fares With all tocs under management contracts tocs ain’t as fussed as before with penalty fares |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 26, 2020 10:06:18 GMT
There have been some more coach changes this month as services start to be reintroduced. From 5th July Green Line 755 and 757 now both run roughly hourly. Green Line 748/758 now has three journeys to London in the morning and three journeys to Hemel Hempstead in the evening. Green Line 702 (Reading Buses) recommenced on 4th July on a full timetable. Reading Buses services were generally increased from 6th July and most now operate to a normal timetable. RailAir RA1 (Reading-Heathrow) recommenced on 11th July with a limited timetable. An extra stop at Compass Centre has been added. RA2 (Guildford) restarted from the same date on its full timetable. Oxford Airline has an increased hourly service to Heathrow from 19th July. The Gatwick service will be reintroduced from this date operating every 2 hours. All coaches call at Wycombe Coachway. National Express has been scaling up its services since it recommenced operations due to higher demand than expected. One exception is the Derby-London 440 service which remains suspended as it operates via Leicester. I wonder why they don't still operate route 440 but cut out the Leicester stop? As it is, Leicester no longer has the highest infection rate in England, an accolade now belonging to Blackburn with Darwen. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 26, 2020 10:15:31 GMT
As some of you may have noticed when travelling by train as of late, some of the major long distance train operators, notably LNER and Avanti West Coast say that reservations are either mandatory (LNER) or recommended (Avanti West Coast) onboard their services, as well as wearing a face covering of course. However, after travelling with both operators over the last week, I was surprised to find that none of this was actually enforced. Usually ticket checks take place on these services so I would've assumed that the rules concerning reservations and social distancing would have been enforced during these checks however on my journeys nobody actually checked. The only time I saw the conductors were when they were walking up and down the train checking that the aisles and doorways were clear. On my LNER journey a few days ago to Edinburgh, despite a crew change at Newcastle a check didn't take place, and on the return journey last night, we were only checked for reservations prior to boarding the train because there were no ticket barriers on Platform 19 at Edinburgh Waverley. I'm aware that conductors are on the front line and are most at risk of picking up the virus when these checks are taking place, and they were told at the start of the pandemic to remain in the back cab. However, now that there are less infections and conductors have face coverings and possibly gloves available to them, I'm rather surprised these checks weren't taking place. I'm assuming the train operators trust that we use our common sense when travelling and wear a face mask at all times and sit in your booked seat, and from what I observed on my journeys this seemed to be the case. Certainly at Euston there are ticket checks, but not on the trains and evidently not at intermediate stations either. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 26, 2020 10:37:26 GMT
As some of you may have noticed when travelling by train as of late, some of the major long distance train operators, notably LNER and Avanti West Coast say that reservations are either mandatory (LNER) or recommended (Avanti West Coast) onboard their services, as well as wearing a face covering of course. However, after travelling with both operators over the last week, I was surprised to find that none of this was actually enforced. Usually ticket checks take place on these services so I would've assumed that the rules concerning reservations and social distancing would have been enforced during these checks however on my journeys nobody actually checked. The only time I saw the conductors were when they were walking up and down the train checking that the aisles and doorways were clear. On my LNER journey a few days ago to Edinburgh, despite a crew change at Newcastle a check didn't take place, and on the return journey last night, we were only checked for reservations prior to boarding the train because there were no ticket barriers on Platform 19 at Edinburgh Waverley. I'm aware that conductors are on the front line and are most at risk of picking up the virus when these checks are taking place, and they were told at the start of the pandemic to remain in the back cab. However, now that there are less infections and conductors have face coverings and possibly gloves available to them, I'm rather surprised these checks weren't taking place. I'm assuming the train operators trust that we use our common sense when travelling and wear a face mask at all times and sit in your booked seat, and from what I observed on my journeys this seemed to be the case. Certainly at Euston there are ticket checks, but not on the trains and evidently not at intermediate stations either. There are still ticket checks at busy stations with barriers but none whatsoever on trains because of social distancing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 12:50:23 GMT
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Post by MoEnviro on Jul 26, 2020 12:56:04 GMT
But then on the other hand they say “Walking and cycling will be absolutely central to London's recovery from coronavirus” |
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Post by TB123 on Jul 26, 2020 13:08:16 GMT
But then on the other hand they say “Walking and cycling will be absolutely central to London's recovery from coronavirus” It's both, not one against the other. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 26, 2020 14:23:11 GMT
Here, here, couldn't agree more and also refreshing to see the cycling community backing extended time bus lanes, seems they're finally coming on board as to how important the bus network is. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 26, 2020 14:42:35 GMT
But then on the other hand they say “Walking and cycling will be absolutely central to London's recovery from coronavirus” It's both, not one against the other. Exactly it doesn't have to be one or the other and cycling is positively booming at the moment. |
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Post by M1104 on Jul 26, 2020 14:54:15 GMT
It's both, not one against the other. Exactly it doesn't have to be one or the other and cycling is positively booming at the moment. Unfortunately for me I keep my cycling to a minimum¹ as they are too many irresponsible drivers about nowadays. I certainly wouldn't attempt to it in a more centralised part of London ¹ - purely for localised exercising |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 26, 2020 15:00:36 GMT
Exactly it doesn't have to be one or the other and cycling is positively booming at the moment. Unfortunately for me I keep my cycling to a minimum¹ as they are too many irresponsible drivers about nowadays. I certainly wouldn't attempt to it in a more centralised part of London let alone Mitcham ¹ - purely for exercising I'm only really a part time cyclist mostly for leisure and keeping fit but my local cycle shop has been manic since the pandemic started. |
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