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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:37:26 GMT
It's not surprise that a bus forum has got so many anti cyclists but for me personally cycling into work has been great especially when we was in full lockdown as it just felt a lot safer than getting on public transport during this time and yes I did cycle in rainy weather as well. I like cycling . However what I dislike about it is an attitude which has got worse. I used to cycle , Isleworth to Notting Hill every day. I used the cycle lane on the A4 and afterwards, roads to Notting Hill. I circumnavigated the Westway roundabout easily. I was usually the only cyclist around. No hassle, no drama. I always gave way to pedestrians. I believe I’m a better driver now, because I am more aware of cyclists and pedestrians. I have stood in Hyde Park at Speakers Corner next to the cycle lane and observed the reckless speed at which cyclists go , whizzing close to pedestrians who get abuse for getting in their way. I see cyclists go across red lights as if it’s normal. So I’m sorry, I have little sympathy with the more vocal cyclist lobby groups. There is room for everyone, treat each other with respect and be careful. I don’t see much of this rational behaviour anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:39:38 GMT
George, we're not anti cyclist per se, it's just the Lycra Louts who think they are a law to themselves. I personnally was hit by one on a Pelican Crossing, and told to "F off out of my way" If the social workers in uniform spent a bit more time upholding the RTA regarding cyclists, we would be more tolerant. Now we got electric scooters to contend with. I can't tell you how much I dislike these kind of cyclists maybe I'm in the minority but I can tell you I'm not like them and follow all the rules of the road. I don't go to gyms as I just don't like that kind of atmosphere but of course I want to stay as fit and healthy as I can so the way I do this is by riding my bike that's all. You aren’t in a minority, because the majority like you are fine. The minority of reckless cyclists do nobody any favours. If you criticise these people, they become quite irrationally aggressive. I wonder where this comes from. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:39:53 GMT
It's not surprise that a bus forum has got so many anti cyclists but for me personally cycling into work has been great especially when we was in full lockdown as it just felt a lot safer than getting on public transport during this time and yes I did cycle in rainy weather as well. I don't think we are anti cyclists! Personally Speaking it seemed to be more anti bus and almost encouraging cuts to routes in the last few weeks but not getting back into that debate again. O and I do cycle too but not to commute. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 27, 2020 13:50:36 GMT
George, we're not anti cyclist per se, it's just the Lycra Louts who think they are a law to themselves. I personnally was hit by one on a Pelican Crossing, and told to "F off out of my way" If the social workers in uniform spent a bit more time upholding the RTA regarding cyclists, we would be more tolerant. Now we got electric scooters to contend with. I can't tell you how much I dislike these kind of cyclists maybe I'm in the minority but I can tell you I'm not like them and follow all the rules of the road. I don't go to gyms as I just don't like that kind of atmosphere but of course I want to stay as fit and healthy as I can so the way I do this is by riding my bike that's all. Exactly that and as cycling becomes more and more popular idiots like that are becoming more and more of a minority. Cycling in London is no longer the preserve of 'nutters'..... civilised people can now safely participate as well. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 27, 2020 13:54:46 GMT
It's not surprise that a bus forum has got so many anti cyclists but for me personally cycling into work has been great especially when we was in full lockdown as it just felt a lot safer than getting on public transport during this time and yes I did cycle in rainy weather as well. I’m not anti cyclist as such but I’ve two major issues with the whole drive towards cycling: 1) my personal experience as a pedestrian is the cyclists I’ve come across generally are worse than other drivers bar one really considerate cyclist who stopped for me after at zebra crossing after the idiotic car driver spread through. Usually, they run through red lights as I’m crossing on the green man and I had one guy threaten me for such a thing despite him being in the wrong, A number run down one way streets the wrong way and flout the banned left turn in Brixton as I’m crossing. 2) in order to create room for cycling infrastructure, a reduction in motor traffic must occur but that hasn’t happened before Covid hence why roads were still congested. |
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Post by 725DYE on Jul 27, 2020 14:12:45 GMT
All forms of transport have people who seem to think that they are above the law. I've come across plenty of cyclists with absolutely atrocious attitudes, thinking that they own the roads. I've even seen cyclists try and overtake cars. I do have a particular issue with mopeds, however. The laws circulating them are a little iffy - anyone can ride one on the roads from the age of 16 without any proper training or instructions given. Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but with all the moped crimes going on, including a gang of them attempting to steal my father's car, I don't think I'm exactly short of reasons to feel this way. A few weeks ago, I pulled out onto a main road in which there were two mopeds probably about 100m away from the junction, only for them to pull up right behind me and then come round to the front of my car in a huff because how dare I do 30 in a 30 when they want to do 60. They stuck two fingers at me so I put up five and gave them a little wave  . The problem with London is that it has never truly decided what it wanted to be. At one point it was full of trams, then trolleybuses and now just buses, with the road infrastructure still being wholesomely outdated for any purposes. No matter what the main form of surface-level public transportation has been, it has never truly been able to coexist with cyclists. My worry is that if cycling is promoted to the extent that it becomes considerably more popular, these cyclists will act like they do own the roads as they gain confidence in numbers. Try driving whilst the London-Brighton cycle ride is going on and you'll get to grips with the kind of situation I'm imagining. The last thing I'll say which is important to remember is that cycling isn't just a problem in London or restricted to urban environments for that matter. Try driving around Dorking or Box Hill on a warm day and you'll find yourself in an endless battle. |
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Post by snowman on Jul 27, 2020 15:43:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:05:42 GMT
It's all well and good cycling to work but have to think of practicalities. Is there anywhere secure to leave the bike? is there shower facilities? somewhere to change?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 27, 2020 19:08:53 GMT
It's all well and good cycling to work but have to think of practicalities. Is there anywhere secure to leave the bike? is there shower facilities? somewhere to change? The shower facilities is certainly something that needs to be addressed more, too many people don't seem to bother with it after riding a bike if they're then moving into a professional setting. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 27, 2020 19:29:35 GMT
It's all well and good cycling to work but have to think of practicalities. Is there anywhere secure to leave the bike? is there shower facilities? somewhere to change? Showers would be a good way of encouraging more people to cycle work especially those put off by hot weather though I do know someone who slipped in a shower at their work and was sacked for trying to question their boss about the lack of a shower mat on the floor. On the subject of bicycle parking whilst I can usually find a someone to lock my bike easily I acknowledge this may not be the case everywhere and in some locations there may not be enough spaces, something which I think should be addressed. |
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Post by george on Jul 27, 2020 19:30:15 GMT
I should apologise for going off topic earlier trying to defend cycling on a bus forum is like telling people about this great new burger on a vegan forum just not going to work. I understand peoples problem with them and all have made very good points. I will never become anti bus as I think buses are such an important mode of transport but if someone chooses to ride a bike into work then who am I to stop them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:52:57 GMT
I should apologise for going off topic earlier trying to defend cycling on a bus forum is like telling people about this great new burger on a vegan forum just not going to work. I understand peoples problem with them and all have made very good points. I will never become anti bus as I think buses are such an important mode of transport but if someone chooses to ride a bike into work then who am I to stop them. In fairness this is in a general discussion thread so think we can discuss all things transport. |
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Post by george on Jul 27, 2020 19:56:47 GMT
I should apologise for going off topic earlier trying to defend cycling on a bus forum is like telling people about this great new burger on a vegan forum just not going to work. I understand peoples problem with them and all have made very good points. I will never become anti bus as I think buses are such an important mode of transport but if someone chooses to ride a bike into work then who am I to stop them. In fairness this is in a general discussion thread so think we can discuss all things transport. Yes that's true anyway for me personally I'll stick to talking about buses now 😀 |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 27, 2020 20:50:03 GMT
It's all well and good cycling to work but have to think of practicalities. Is there anywhere secure to leave the bike? is there shower facilities? somewhere to change? The ready availability of hire bikes in London removes any storage problems and do cyclists really need somewhere to shower and change? We are talking about a fairly moderately paced cycle ride and not time trials for the tour de France and of course electric bikes mean less physical exertion. You seem to be desperately looking for any opportunity to discredit cycling and then accuse other people of being anti bus. |
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Post by george on Jul 27, 2020 20:51:17 GMT
It's all well and good cycling to work but have to think of practicalities. Is there anywhere secure to leave the bike? is there shower facilities? somewhere to change? The ready availability of hire bikes in London removes any storage problems and do cyclists really need somewhere to shower and change? We are talking about a fairly moderately paced cycle ride and not time trials for the tour de France and of course electric bikes mean less physical exertion. You seem to be desperately looking for any opportunity to discredit cycling and then accuse other people of being anti bus. One thing I didn't want to do is start an argument so can we can we not start one now. Thanks 🙂 |
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