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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 27, 2020 11:47:06 GMT
This is why I only sit in first class on Thameslink trains from Sutton in either direction. Not many yobs in first class. There seems to be a lot of abuse of first class on Thameslink Orpington and Sevenoaks services, probably to use the phone charging facility and ticket checks are rare to non existent. First class is declassified on all Thameslink Metro services which includes Orpington and Sevenoaks trains so anyone can sit there |
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Post by paulsw2 on Aug 27, 2020 12:13:25 GMT
This is why I only sit in first class on Thameslink trains from Sutton in either direction. Not many yobs in first class. There seems to be a lot of abuse of first class on Thameslink Orpington and Sevenoaks services, probably to use the phone charging facility and ticket checks are rare to non existent. There is NO first class on the Sutton loop and on the services to Sevenoaks the first class accommodation is open to all northbound journeys !st class kicks in at Blackfriars I believe |
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Post by 725DYE on Aug 27, 2020 12:50:42 GMT
Karens gonna Karen. And besides, 2 year old children shouldn't wear masks anyway (gov guidelines). Masking young children is horrible. This mask fad should be a temporary measure. Therefore, an enforcement officer on each bus and train isn't viable. Gov probably can't afford it now anyway. (Is the ludicrous doubling fine system for not wearing a face covering a way to grab more money off the people, I wonder.) So I agree - if you're at risk or simply fearful, stay away. I don't see any problem in people politely reminding others that a face covering is required, some people do forget and I have done so myself. There is no requirement for young children to wear them although some want to wear them. There has been some enforcement on public transport by staff although the police will have enough to deal with at the moment. Unless someone has a medical exemption how difficult is it to just comply? It's a minor inconvenience at the most and it's those that don't want to wear them that should stay away. Nothing wrong with being polite of course but sometimes it's best to just keep your thoughts to yourself. This is London after all, someone might take it the wrong way and next thing you know they've got a knife out. Last year my mother and I literally just said "excuse me" to a lady blocking the entrance to the station and she told us to "f**k off and stop being so rude." Don't really understand how they got to that but was quality entertainment nonetheless. Then of course there are people who are exempt for other reasons (underlying mental health or general health conditions amongst others) just like my sister is. Even before Covid we had the massive and largely successful "not all disabilities are visible" campaign which has helped to build up a more tolerant society but shamefully it would appear that some have forgotten this and will question anyone not wearing a mask before considering that they may have reasons to not be. Paranoia does play into this so I can understand the perspective of these people up to a point. Obviously there still exist individuals who believe that they are above the law and don't need to comply. We collectively refer to these people as "knobs" |
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 27, 2020 13:40:02 GMT
There seems to be a lot of abuse of first class on Thameslink Orpington and Sevenoaks services, probably to use the phone charging facility and ticket checks are rare to non existent. There is NO first class on the Sutton loop and on the services to Sevenoaks the first class accommodation is open to all northbound journeys !st class kicks in at Blackfriars I believe First class is declassified for the entire journey. The only journeys I think where First Class is in operation on routes served exclusively by the reduced length units (RLU, 8 car) 700’s is the Kings Cross to Cambridge services and Luton to Rainham. Eventually the plan is to extend the Kings Cross to Cambridge service to start from Maidstone East |
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Post by TA1 on Aug 27, 2020 14:07:16 GMT
There is NO first class on the Sutton loop and on the services to Sevenoaks the first class accommodation is open to all northbound journeys !st class kicks in at Blackfriars I believe First class is declassified for the entire journey. The only journeys I think where First Class is in operation on routes served exclusively by the reduced length units (RLU, 8 car) 700’s is the Kings Cross to Cambridge services and Luton to Rainham. Eventually the plan is to extend the Kings Cross to Cambridge service to start from Maidstone East The latter proposed service is well overdue with a number of stumbling blocks. |
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Post by TB123 on Aug 27, 2020 15:43:05 GMT
There is NO first class on the Sutton loop and on the services to Sevenoaks the first class accommodation is open to all northbound journeys !st class kicks in at Blackfriars I believe First class is declassified for the entire journey. The only journeys I think where First Class is in operation on routes served exclusively by the reduced length units (RLU, 8 car) 700’s is the Kings Cross to Cambridge services and Luton to Rainham. Eventually the plan is to extend the Kings Cross to Cambridge service to start from Maidstone East First class is not in operation on Luton to Rainham services. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 17:17:00 GMT
So with these school buses we could have a situation where buses are running empty after dropping at the final schools on a route. A example is the 25 from Aldgate towards City Thameslink, must be lots of other examples.
Seen some pretty negative comments on TfL social media!
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 27, 2020 17:29:59 GMT
So with these school buses we could have a situation where buses are running empty after dropping at the final schools on a route. A example is the 25 from Aldgate towards City Thameslink, must be lots of other examples. Seen some pretty negative comments on TfL social media! Hmm, that definitely will bring controversy, 1 bus running with zero people and another packed! Not really surprised with the negative comments on Twitter towards TfL, they aren't as vocal as other people, such as Abellio, who reply to most Tweets that concern them (and seem really friendly), while TfL just give an automated response. They really should improve it, not having good responses can really affect how people get around, resulting in more complaints. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 19:04:08 GMT
Believe the link shows the signage that will be used on buses.
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 27, 2020 19:10:41 GMT
Believe the link shows the signage that will be used on buses.
One thing I've noticed is that school kids aren't allowed to go on non-school buses. Seems a bit odd, but I suppose it would curb complaints. Not to nitpick or anything, but do drivers have to fidget about with both the BUS FULL sign and Schoolchildren sign? Seems a bit dangerous to distract them from the road, especially with so many people  . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 19:14:59 GMT
Believe the link shows the signage that will be used on buses.
One thing I've noticed is that school kids aren't allowed to go on non-school buses. Seems a bit odd, but I suppose it would curb complaints. Not to nitpick or anything, but do drivers have to fidget about with both the BUS FULL sign and Schoolchildren sign? Seems a bit dangerous to distract them from the road, especially with so many people . This section seems to suggest they are only encourage to use the dedicated buses :
Schoolchildren travelling without adults are encouraged to travel on School Services where they are provided in order to make space for other customers on regular services. Anyone else needing to travel at these times should board regular non-school buses as usual.
Will still have children on normal buses with parents.
I know I said it before my biggest worry is that there will be no social distancing on the "School" buses! I feel for any anxious young person having to travel on a bus full to capacity!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 20:49:47 GMT
It is very interesting to see how defensive people working from home are getting about protecting this new found right. I totally do not blame them at all.
But what I think we are seeing is almost a revolution. Is this now more of a protest against paying high fares, for having to squeeze onto crowded trains ? Obviously with the understandable fear re covid. But how many of these workers at home, are not so worried about covid when it comes to socialising , partying , dining out etc ? I’ve seen a few working from home on their lap tops in cafes.
What does anger me though, generally, it is well paid jobs whereby one can work from home. It is less well off people mainly getting made redundant ( most who can’t work from home) because they had jobs which relied on workers being in city centres,
This is a serious problem, which is going to effect us all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 21:02:55 GMT
It is very interesting to see how defensive people working from home are getting about protecting this new found right. I totally do not blame them at all. But what I think we are seeing is almost a revolution. Is this now more of a protest against paying high fares, for having to squeeze onto crowded trains ? Obviously with the understandable fear re covid. But how many of these workers at home, are not so worried about covid when it comes to socialising , partying , dining out etc ? I’ve seen a few working from home on their lap tops in cafes. What does anger me though, generally, it is well paid jobs whereby one can work from home. It is less well off people mainly getting made redundant ( most who can’t work from home) because they had jobs which relied on workers being in city centres, This is a serious problem, which is going to effect us all. Exactly! To be blunt I think its being milked by some. What frustrates me is the jobs being lost by those industries and shops that relied on office workers. Most can probably return and practise social distancing etc I think even a few days a week is better than nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 21:27:11 GMT
It is very interesting to see how defensive people working from home are getting about protecting this new found right. I totally do not blame them at all. But what I think we are seeing is almost a revolution. Is this now more of a protest against paying high fares, for having to squeeze onto crowded trains ? Obviously with the understandable fear re covid. But how many of these workers at home, are not so worried about covid when it comes to socialising , partying , dining out etc ? I’ve seen a few working from home on their lap tops in cafes. What does anger me though, generally, it is well paid jobs whereby one can work from home. It is less well off people mainly getting made redundant ( most who can’t work from home) because they had jobs which relied on workers being in city centres, This is a serious problem, which is going to effect us all. Exactly! To be blunt I think its being milked by some. What frustrates me is the jobs being lost by those industries and shops that relied on office workers. Most can probably return and practise social distancing etc I think even a few days a week is better than nothing. I think a lot of this problem lies with the employers and not necessarily the employees. Just to use myself and my friends as examples we all work in different office based roles. We are willing to go back to the office, even for a couple of days a week, but our employers are preventing it. I've been told not to expect to be back before October, even though I expressed a desire to be back. I have my own office, seperate from the main pool of employees, its crazy that I have to keep working at home even things have gotten better. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Aug 28, 2020 3:09:55 GMT
It is very interesting to see how defensive people working from home are getting about protecting this new found right. I totally do not blame them at all. But what I think we are seeing is almost a revolution. Is this now more of a protest against paying high fares, for having to squeeze onto crowded trains ? Obviously with the understandable fear re covid. But how many of these workers at home, are not so worried about covid when it comes to socialising , partying , dining out etc ? I’ve seen a few working from home on their lap tops in cafes. What does anger me though, generally, it is well paid jobs whereby one can work from home. It is less well off people mainly getting made redundant ( most who can’t work from home) because they had jobs which relied on workers being in city centres, This is a serious problem, which is going to effect us all. Exactly! To be blunt I think its being milked by some. What frustrates me is the jobs being lost by those industries and shops that relied on office workers. Most can probably return and practise social distancing etc I think even a few days a week is better than nothing. Our office is opening quite soon, and looking forward to returning a couple days a week |
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