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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 11, 2020 9:58:31 GMT
So what would you propose as an alternative? These teachers take risks everyday working with children who carry illness like influenza which they are far more likely to catch than Covid-19. As for the children it’s better for them to be in school getting an education, developing their social skills and improving their mental health rather than be at home for even longer potentially derailing their education journey even further even with an extremely minimal risk of Covid despite what the MSM would tell you. Just a pitty those older 16 to 20 years old don't educate themselves on the risks of the virus and practice social distancing and wear masks. I tell you this colleges and uni's will see big outbreaks in a few weeks. Some of the things I have seen are shocking and the teaching staff are worried about their health! Stop with all the MSN rubbish please, the virus is deadly, you want to believe otherwise fine but just stop and think 45k people have died this year because of this! We are not even into winter and the normal flu seasons. Fully agree, its like an anti-society everything stirred up by profit driven conspiracy theorists that has many of them like muppets. The same way how they were very anti 5g and it was going to end the world etc. With many of these internet YouTube generation, many believe they are superior than anyone and are journalists to the high extreme. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 11, 2020 9:58:33 GMT
I am not denying that Covid can be dangerous but you cannot ignore that MSM would have us think we’re going to instantly die upon leaving the house. If teaching staff are worried perhaps they should educate their students themselves and not rely on the government, after all they can serve as a better influence. As it stands very few people are now in hospital, despite growing case numbers. Your foreshadowing is absurd and does nothing but feed into the scaremongering carried out on a daily basis by the media. At the same time I was in hospital 2 weeks ago, and the nurses said no one was in the hospital that had tested positive for COVID (and getting tested is one of the first thing you do), but they have empty wards reserved for COVID. These could be used for patients that need life saving/changing surgery. So yes COVID can kill you, but so can the precautions that are put in place. I can't speak for the hospital you went to. But A&E at least is split into Covid Hot and Covid Cold. Obviously Covid Hot being the case where there's any chance you might be carrying the virus and Covid Cold being for patients who they are confident do not have the virus. It is possible to change the size of Covid Hot and Covid Cold to adjust demand. Patients that need to have immediate life changing surgery need to go to a Trauma centre and not a local A&E. The four in London being St Mary's for the North West, St George's for the South West, Kings for the South East and Royal London for the North East. They have to have a requirement of a Theatre always available at all times for trauma surgeries. There's also dedicated hospitals for Heart and Kidney problems as well and I imagine all these would have slightly different measures in place to deal with patients should they be positive or negative for the virus so I doubt that there will be many cases of patients not being able to get into an A&E as the only beds available are Covid Hot. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 11, 2020 10:00:29 GMT
Just a pitty those older 16 to 20 years old don't educate themselves on the risks of the virus and practice social distancing and wear masks. I tell you this colleges and uni's will see big outbreaks in a few weeks. Some of the things I have seen are shocking and the teaching staff are worried about their health! Stop with all the MSN rubbish please, the virus is deadly, you want to believe otherwise fine but just stop and think 45k people have died this year because of this! We are not even into winter and the normal flu seasons. I am not denying that Covid can be dangerous but you cannot ignore that MSM would have us think we’re going to instantly die upon leaving the house. If teaching staff are worried perhaps they should educate their students themselves and not rely on the government, after all they can serve as a better influence. As it stands very few people are now in hospital, despite growing case numbers. Your foreshadowing is absurd and does nothing but feed into the scaremongering carried out on a daily basis by the media. I'm sure the families of the 45,000 people who are dead will agree that this is all scaremongering. Didn't you say you worked in your own office? I'm sure it's easy for someone who works in an office to effectively tell everyone "get back to work" when teachers, along with many other jobs require an extremely high level of human to human contact. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 11, 2020 10:00:54 GMT
It is absolutely right for them to be prepared. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I honestly believe any potential new winter threat will be better managed. Simply because there are now better procedures, better practices and a greater understanding of the needs of the patients with Covid. Seems you are happy to have a non-Covid death to save beds for COVID patients. If they didn't keep any area prepared I am sure you and many would be one of the first to say the government did nothing and there was a possibility of a second wave. d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't; some people would never be pleased! |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 11, 2020 10:02:27 GMT
At the same time I was in hospital 2 weeks ago, and the nurses said no one was in the hospital that had tested positive for COVID (and getting tested is one of the first thing you do), but they have empty wards reserved for COVID. These could be used for patients that need life saving/changing surgery. So yes COVID can kill you, but so can the precautions that are put in place. I can't speak for the hospital you went to. But A&E at least is split into Covid Hot and Covid Cold. Obviously Covid Hot being the case where there's any chance you might be carrying the virus and Covid Cold being for patients who they are confident do not have the virus. It is possible to change the size of Covid Hot and Covid Cold to adjust demand. Patients that need to have immediate life changing surgery need to go to a Trauma centre and not a local A&E. The four in London being St Mary's for the North West, St George's for the South West, Kings for the South East and Royal London for the North East. They have to have a requirement of a Theatre always available at all times for trauma surgeries. There's also dedicated hospitals for Heart and Kidney problems as well and I imagine all these would have slightly different measures in place to deal with patients should they be positive or negative for the virus so I doubt that there will be many cases of patients not being able to get into an A&E as the only beds available are Covid Hot. I went to my local A&E a few months back after I had a RTC and Covid was a big issue there then. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 10:13:17 GMT
I am not denying that Covid can be dangerous but you cannot ignore that MSM would have us think we’re going to instantly die upon leaving the house. If teaching staff are worried perhaps they should educate their students themselves and not rely on the government, after all they can serve as a better influence. As it stands very few people are now in hospital, despite growing case numbers. Your foreshadowing is absurd and does nothing but feed into the scaremongering carried out on a daily basis by the media. I'm sure the families of the 45,000 people who are dead will agree that this is all scaremongering. Didn't you say you worked in your own office? I'm sure it's easy for someone who works in an office to effectively tell everyone "get back to work" when teachers, along with many other jobs require an extremely high level of human to human contact. So the media didn’t scare people into panic buying at the beginning of the pandemic and just a couple of weeks ago didn’t scare thousands of travellers to abandon their holidays in Portugal because they thought it was being added to the travel list even though it wasn’t at the time. Your point about me working in an office is what? I take public transport to and from work so I am just as much at risk as anyone else but I recognise the need to get these students back into school so they can continue their education, especially when they have spent months at home which is no substitute for a classroom experience and particularly as they are a low risk group. What would you suggest as an alternative? |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 11, 2020 11:21:16 GMT
I'm sure the families of the 45,000 people who are dead will agree that this is all scaremongering. Didn't you say you worked in your own office? I'm sure it's easy for someone who works in an office to effectively tell everyone "get back to work" when teachers, along with many other jobs require an extremely high level of human to human contact. So the media didn’t scare people into panic buying at the beginning of the pandemic and just a couple of weeks ago didn’t scare thousands of travellers to abandon their holidays in Portugal because they thought it was being added to the travel list even though it wasn’t at the time. Your point about me working in an office is what? I take public transport to and from work so I am just as much at risk as anyone else but I recognise the need to get these students back into school so they can continue their education, especially when they have spent months at home which is no substitute for a classroom experience and particularly as they are a low risk group. What would you suggest as an alternative? The media reporting that Portugal being added to the list was presumptuous rather than scare mongering - the main reason being that Portugal had jumped above the threshold which is around the 20 level and which sees quarantine restrictions implemented upon returning from these countries. I'm sure everyone agrees that people need to go back to what they're doing but until this woeful government sort it's act out regarding track & trace as well as make it absolutely clear about existing rules rather than continually muddying the picture, then there is little hope of achieving this aim successfully. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 15:30:49 GMT
I think some people reach a point of bad news fatigue. Such people, who may have had nobody close to them suffering with or passing away from covid, have reached this point. It becomes increasingly hard to gain compliance with guidelines etc. Then you have people who listen and get on with whatever they’re doing with a healthy amount of caution, following guidelines. There are then people who are anxious , and people who I would say are finding themselves in hiding almost.
I dealt with a suicidal young woman yesterday . Nothing I said really helped, but when I offered her a mask and some of my hand sanitiser while we waited for an ambulance, she was extremely relieved and told me lockdown had made her extremely anxious and had made pre existing mental health matters far far worse. I worry that masks and hand sanitiser will become items some people won’t want to part with.
I am very angry at how the media , assisted by the government, have handled this pandemic. I appreciate scary headlines sell newspapers and encourage people to watch 24/7 rolling news with frequent advertisement breaks. But if you watch all this, you don’t learn anything new, just get furnished with more things to worry about.
We need perspective, perseverance and stoicism. People need to take this seriously and not be reckless. But at same time, we are human and need to see our loved ones.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 16:16:47 GMT
We are seeing a rapid increase in infection cases! 3539 today! R Rate is up too. I know more testing being done but still worrying.
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Post by connor on Sept 11, 2020 16:19:32 GMT
We are seeing a rapid increase in infection cases! 3539 today! R Rate is up too. I know more testing being done but still worrying. and the “eat out to help out” is to be blamed now |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 16:20:27 GMT
We are seeing a rapid increase in infection cases! 3539 today! R Rate is up too. I know more testing being done but still worrying. and the “eat out to help out” is to be blamed now Well let's be honest it wasn't the best idea. |
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Post by connor on Sept 11, 2020 16:24:24 GMT
and the “eat out to help out” is to be blamed now Well let's be honest it wasn't the best idea. yeah let’s see how the contract app is going to work come the 24th of this month, I believe it’s total crap because of the last app they tried to create. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 16:39:58 GMT
Well let's be honest it wasn't the best idea. yeah let’s see how the contract app is going to work come the 24th of this month, I believe it’s total crap because of the last app they tried to create. The problem is how many will download the app, you already have plenty ignoring the rules so plenty will find fault with the app and the usual invasion of privacy and liberty bashing. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 11, 2020 16:50:25 GMT
We are seeing a rapid increase in infection cases! 3539 today! R Rate is up too. I know more testing being done but still worrying. and the “eat out to help out” is to be blamed now Blamed by whom? Armchair experts who don't know what they're talking about? Eat out to help out has actually been a great success but at the moment anybody in office from the government to the mayor to local councils seem to be d*mned whatever they do. |
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Post by connor on Sept 11, 2020 17:06:46 GMT
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