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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 19:10:55 GMT
and the “eat out to help out” is to be blamed now Blamed by whom? Armchair experts who don't know what they're talking about? Eat out to help out has actually been a great success but at the moment anybody in office from the government to the mayor to local councils seem to be d*mned whatever they do. Been a success ? we got cheap food witch we will be paying for in taxes for years and years. It don't take a genius to work out the economy is being prioritised over health! A shame the government don't do more to get people back into offices and help out businesses in central London that are in real trouble! but then you don't want that do you? you more than happy for everyone to work from the kitchen table.
I have to laugh at the armchair expert remark especially when you seen to have a view on every single bus cut in London. Sorry but the hypocrisy is staggering
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Post by 725DYE on Sept 11, 2020 21:05:20 GMT
Here we go again with the R number fiasco. So many people who see a rise and instantaneously start freaking out. Maybe if they stopped and thought for a second then they'd realise that this was bound to happen. When there's fewer cases, it is much more susceptible to change, when there are more, it isn't. UK cases have been in the low thousands recently so a rise to c. 3500 is obviously going to make a much greater impact upon the R number in comparison to when the cases were in the high five figure stages and a few extra thousand people became infected. All it is is a simple moving average - not that difficult to comprehend.
I know I've made jokes about the British public not being the sharpest but I really didn't things were that bad. When the state of things were much worse in the early Spring, with thousands getting infected and hundreds dying every day, the R number was never mentioned at all because it remained almost constant. I would've thought that that would've made things evident enough but clearly a recent rise has riled up all the fear mongers again.
People blaming the "eat out to help out" scheme are those who I find to often be looking for a quick scapegoat for the changing national circumstances (AKA. young people, as they have been proven to be the most likely to break social distancing rules. And I'm a young adult myself). The scheme was by no means perfectly executed, but if it were as bad as everyone is saying, we would've seen a rise in cases much earlier on, but we simply haven't. I also believe it was very unilaterally focused on one area - shame that other businesses couldn't have been aided in such a manner.
Time and time again I've seen people publicly advertising themselves breaking social distancing rules on social media whether that be going to parties or just generally far too large gatherings. These are then the SAME people who are now blaming everything but themselves for the recent rise in cases again. If I had a pound for every time I've seen people of a similar age as myself claiming that young people are being used as a scapegoat or it's not their fault or Tory scum... etc. then I'd have more money than that fella who won Who Wants to be a Millionaire 30 mins ago. And I'm neither supporting or going against our government in this situation. This is a pandemic, not a political issue and I will not succer up to those who are politicising it. Everyone has a responsibility to do the right thing and as I already said younger people have been proven to be those not complying with social distancing rules and therefore causing a rise in covid cases.
As with thousands of others, I'm about to return to university. I suppose I'm in a fortunate position as I start in two weeks time whereas many have already started or are going back this weekend so I'll be able to see their experiences before my own. Already, I've seen a wealth of simply untrue statements online about what is to come. Primarily, a lot of rubbish from the weaponised lecturer unions who have been spouting out all kinds of fear mongering and rubbish which I wouldn't dare take a single grain or salt from let alone a pinch (I'm fortunate in the fact that lecturers at my university aren't so heavily unionised so I have been spared of the false facts and been able to directly see how things will be). I've already been bombarded with a whole load of emails regarding my return and how social distancing will be enforced, monitored and maintained, alongside staggered arrival slots and arrangements for how flat bubbles will work. Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of getting these emails but if that doesn't show you that tonnes of work is being put in to ensure a safe return then I don't know how people are going to be pleased. Students have much more flexibility as to whether they want to remain at home for now or not and some courses are being taught entirely remotely for the time being. This is exactly in line with workers who are largely able at their own discretion to work at home or not. Last month we saw thousands returning to their workplaces as they were brought off of furlough (yes, many remained at home but plenty didn't) and that hardly caused any problems did it.
Rant over. But all I'll end with is just use common d*mn sense. A rise in the R number doesn't mean it's time to start fear mongering and predicting a full second lockdown. Outbreaks are now particularly localised, and local lockdowns are proving to be successful. Leicester, Aberdeen, Preston, Bolton... etc. And of course people should take responsibility for their own actions. Enough of the petty blame game. It solves absolutely nothing!
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Post by vjaska on Sept 11, 2020 21:53:40 GMT
Blamed by whom? Armchair experts who don't know what they're talking about? Eat out to help out has actually been a great success but at the moment anybody in office from the government to the mayor to local councils seem to be d*mned whatever they do. Been a success ? we got cheap food witch we will be paying for in taxes for years and years. It don't take a genius to work out the economy is being prioritised over health! A shame the government don't do more to get people back into offices and help out businesses in central London that are in real trouble! but then you don't want that do you? you more than happy for everyone to work from the kitchen table.
I have to laugh at the armchair expert remark especially when you seen to have a view on every single bus cut in London. Sorry but the hypocrisy is staggering
I agree with the second line about armchair expert and the said member your referring to being a hypocrite but on the subject of eat out to help out, businesses wanted it extended because what it did do is get custom through the door which in many cases has probably mean't these businesses have been able to survive. The problem in my view isn't the scheme but people's behaviour and they fail to realise something very simple - the longer you ignore the rules, the longer time it will take to get back to a pre Covid existence and the more people, vulnerable or not, will either die or suffer through other means  |
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 11, 2020 22:48:59 GMT
Here we go again with the R number fiasco. So many people who see a rise and instantaneously start freaking out. Maybe if they stopped and thought for a second then they'd realise that this was bound to happen. When there's fewer cases, it is much more susceptible to change, when there are more, it isn't. UK cases have been in the low thousands recently so a rise to c. 3500 is obviously going to make a much greater impact upon the R number in comparison to when the cases were in the high five figure stages and a few extra thousand people became infected. All it is is a simple moving average - not that difficult to comprehend. I know I've made jokes about the British public not being the sharpest but I really didn't things were that bad. When the state of things were much worse in the early Spring, with thousands getting infected and hundreds dying every day, the R number was never mentioned at all because it remained almost constant. I would've thought that that would've made things evident enough but clearly a recent rise has riled up all the fear mongers again. People blaming the "eat out to help out" scheme are those who I find to often be looking for a quick scapegoat for the changing national circumstances (AKA. young people, as they have been proven to be the most likely to break social distancing rules. And I'm a young adult myself). The scheme was by no means perfectly executed, but if it were as bad as everyone is saying, we would've seen a rise in cases much earlier on, but we simply haven't. I also believe it was very unilaterally focused on one area - shame that other businesses couldn't have been aided in such a manner. Time and time again I've seen people publicly advertising themselves breaking social distancing rules on social media whether that be going to parties or just generally far too large gatherings. These are then the SAME people who are now blaming everything but themselves for the recent rise in cases again. If I had a pound for every time I've seen people of a similar age as myself claiming that young people are being used as a scapegoat or it's not their fault or Tory scum... etc. then I'd have more money than that fella who won Who Wants to be a Millionaire 30 mins ago. And I'm neither supporting or going against our government in this situation. This is a pandemic, not a political issue and I will not succer up to those who are politicising it. Everyone has a responsibility to do the right thing and as I already said younger people have been proven to be those not complying with social distancing rules and therefore causing a rise in covid cases. As with thousands of others, I'm about to return to university. I suppose I'm in a fortunate position as I start in two weeks time whereas many have already started or are going back this weekend so I'll be able to see their experiences before my own. Already, I've seen a wealth of simply untrue statements online about what is to come. Primarily, a lot of rubbish from the weaponised lecturer unions who have been spouting out all kinds of fear mongering and rubbish which I wouldn't dare take a single grain or salt from let alone a pinch (I'm fortunate in the fact that lecturers at my university aren't so heavily unionised so I have been spared of the false facts and been able to directly see how things will be). I've already been bombarded with a whole load of emails regarding my return and how social distancing will be enforced, monitored and maintained, alongside staggered arrival slots and arrangements for how flat bubbles will work. Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of getting these emails but if that doesn't show you that tonnes of work is being put in to ensure a safe return then I don't know how people are going to be pleased. Students have much more flexibility as to whether they want to remain at home for now or not and some courses are being taught entirely remotely for the time being. This is exactly in line with workers who are largely able at their own discretion to work at home or not. Last month we saw thousands returning to their workplaces as they were brought off of furlough (yes, many remained at home but plenty didn't) and that hardly caused any problems did it. Rant over. But all I'll end with is just use common d*mn sense. A rise in the R number doesn't mean it's time to start fear mongering and predicting a full second lockdown. Outbreaks are now particularly localised, and local lockdowns are proving to be successful. Leicester, Aberdeen, Preston, Bolton... etc. And of course people should take responsibility for their own actions. Enough of the petty blame game. It solves absolutely nothing! Couldn’t have said this better myself. There is a lot of scaremongering going around and it’s for that reason why I’ve mainly avoided twitter over the last few days. People are quick to blame the government for the issues we are facing but as I’ve previously stated before, there is little that they could have done differently to make the situation any better regardless of which person or party is in charge. There is next to no chance of a full scale lockdown being implemented again especially now that most places have implemented Covid secure measures, also because we now know more about the virus and how it behaves. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 11, 2020 23:05:33 GMT
Here we go again with the R number fiasco. So many people who see a rise and instantaneously start freaking out. Maybe if they stopped and thought for a second then they'd realise that this was bound to happen. When there's fewer cases, it is much more susceptible to change, when there are more, it isn't. UK cases have been in the low thousands recently so a rise to c. 3500 is obviously going to make a much greater impact upon the R number in comparison to when the cases were in the high five figure stages and a few extra thousand people became infected. All it is is a simple moving average - not that difficult to comprehend. I know I've made jokes about the British public not being the sharpest but I really didn't things were that bad. When the state of things were much worse in the early Spring, with thousands getting infected and hundreds dying every day, the R number was never mentioned at all because it remained almost constant. I would've thought that that would've made things evident enough but clearly a recent rise has riled up all the fear mongers again. People blaming the "eat out to help out" scheme are those who I find to often be looking for a quick scapegoat for the changing national circumstances (AKA. young people, as they have been proven to be the most likely to break social distancing rules. And I'm a young adult myself). The scheme was by no means perfectly executed, but if it were as bad as everyone is saying, we would've seen a rise in cases much earlier on, but we simply haven't. I also believe it was very unilaterally focused on one area - shame that other businesses couldn't have been aided in such a manner. Time and time again I've seen people publicly advertising themselves breaking social distancing rules on social media whether that be going to parties or just generally far too large gatherings. These are then the SAME people who are now blaming everything but themselves for the recent rise in cases again. If I had a pound for every time I've seen people of a similar age as myself claiming that young people are being used as a scapegoat or it's not their fault or Tory scum... etc. then I'd have more money than that fella who won Who Wants to be a Millionaire 30 mins ago. And I'm neither supporting or going against our government in this situation. This is a pandemic, not a political issue and I will not succer up to those who are politicising it. Everyone has a responsibility to do the right thing and as I already said younger people have been proven to be those not complying with social distancing rules and therefore causing a rise in covid cases. As with thousands of others, I'm about to return to university. I suppose I'm in a fortunate position as I start in two weeks time whereas many have already started or are going back this weekend so I'll be able to see their experiences before my own. Already, I've seen a wealth of simply untrue statements online about what is to come. Primarily, a lot of rubbish from the weaponised lecturer unions who have been spouting out all kinds of fear mongering and rubbish which I wouldn't dare take a single grain or salt from let alone a pinch (I'm fortunate in the fact that lecturers at my university aren't so heavily unionised so I have been spared of the false facts and been able to directly see how things will be). I've already been bombarded with a whole load of emails regarding my return and how social distancing will be enforced, monitored and maintained, alongside staggered arrival slots and arrangements for how flat bubbles will work. Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of getting these emails but if that doesn't show you that tonnes of work is being put in to ensure a safe return then I don't know how people are going to be pleased. Students have much more flexibility as to whether they want to remain at home for now or not and some courses are being taught entirely remotely for the time being. This is exactly in line with workers who are largely able at their own discretion to work at home or not. Last month we saw thousands returning to their workplaces as they were brought off of furlough (yes, many remained at home but plenty didn't) and that hardly caused any problems did it. Rant over. But all I'll end with is just use common d*mn sense. A rise in the R number doesn't mean it's time to start fear mongering and predicting a full second lockdown. Outbreaks are now particularly localised, and local lockdowns are proving to be successful. Leicester, Aberdeen, Preston, Bolton... etc. And of course people should take responsibility for their own actions. Enough of the petty blame game. It solves absolutely nothing! I think you are being a bit too relaxed with this view. You are indeed right about scapegoats and blame, however it's a case about preventing it not spreading it. The rate now is so low that it should be theoretically safe to assume in most crowds people are not carriers however you have the odd chance of "what if" as the rate is still high enough for that to be a potential case. Once someone in a crowd does happen to have it then the chances of it spreading like wildfire within that crowd are huge. Effort is being put in by employers and other institutions however the effort is only as worthwhile as the people following it. I think with Eat Out to help out you can't ignore it. Redbridge has now got among the highest cases in the South of England, which is also the borough where Ilford Lane had more than an hour delay going through due to people queueing into the road for restaurants during the scheme. I don't think that's a coincidence. Regarding Universities, a fact of the matter is that most students will not keep distance from each other, they just won't. It's the black and blue, most of them aren't scared of getting the virus due to their young age and tend to be more impulsive in decisions. It's this reason quite a lot of Unis within London especially are not even opening up at all, even for just some lectures and sessions. So in their case I think it's best to keep closed until January, there's no huge loss keeping them closed at the moment as everything most things can be done online and adaptations can be made to courses to allow it in most cases. Another slightly morbid reason for the slight decrease in potential infections is that the virus has already effectively "done its toll" through the vulnerable, so there's less of them to get seriously infected, and therefore reported. So while a second spike will probably result in more infections, it might not be the case it will cause more deaths. Sadly the reality is the virus will be with us until a vaccine is developed and that's hoping these stupid anti-vaxxers also get vaccinated. I do hope they make it law to have a vaccination when once comes out. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2020 0:50:37 GMT
Here we go again with the R number fiasco. So many people who see a rise and instantaneously start freaking out. Maybe if they stopped and thought for a second then they'd realise that this was bound to happen. When there's fewer cases, it is much more susceptible to change, when there are more, it isn't. UK cases have been in the low thousands recently so a rise to c. 3500 is obviously going to make a much greater impact upon the R number in comparison to when the cases were in the high five figure stages and a few extra thousand people became infected. All it is is a simple moving average - not that difficult to comprehend. I know I've made jokes about the British public not being the sharpest but I really didn't things were that bad. When the state of things were much worse in the early Spring, with thousands getting infected and hundreds dying every day, the R number was never mentioned at all because it remained almost constant. I would've thought that that would've made things evident enough but clearly a recent rise has riled up all the fear mongers again. In order to keep the spread under control, the R rate must remain under 1 otherwise you then have exponential spread within the population - currently, the R rate is between 1 & 1.2 which explains the 60% rise over the last couple of weeks. Naturally, as is human instinct, this will concern many people so whilst the papers will always scare monger on certain things, there is also elements of truth within the scare mongering if people look closely. The R rate was mentioned from March onwards and was referenced practically daily until it finally dropped below 1 where it was spoken about less and less until the recent rise. You are correct that a rise in the R rate doesn't mean a second lockdown though some of the local lockdowns you mentioned such as Bolton haven't been particularly successful due to people's behaviour towards the rules but I'll say it again - if people don't want full lockdowns, local lockdowns, I can't believe it's not lockdowns, etc. then follow the guidance where possible, it's basic stuff. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 12, 2020 7:56:55 GMT
Here we go again with the R number fiasco. So many people who see a rise and instantaneously start freaking out. Maybe if they stopped and thought for a second then they'd realise that this was bound to happen. When there's fewer cases, it is much more susceptible to change, when there are more, it isn't. UK cases have been in the low thousands recently so a rise to c. 3500 is obviously going to make a much greater impact upon the R number in comparison to when the cases were in the high five figure stages and a few extra thousand people became infected. All it is is a simple moving average - not that difficult to comprehend. I know I've made jokes about the British public not being the sharpest but I really didn't things were that bad. When the state of things were much worse in the early Spring, with thousands getting infected and hundreds dying every day, the R number was never mentioned at all because it remained almost constant. I would've thought that that would've made things evident enough but clearly a recent rise has riled up all the fear mongers again. People blaming the "eat out to help out" scheme are those who I find to often be looking for a quick scapegoat for the changing national circumstances (AKA. young people, as they have been proven to be the most likely to break social distancing rules. And I'm a young adult myself). The scheme was by no means perfectly executed, but if it were as bad as everyone is saying, we would've seen a rise in cases much earlier on, but we simply haven't. I also believe it was very unilaterally focused on one area - shame that other businesses couldn't have been aided in such a manner. Time and time again I've seen people publicly advertising themselves breaking social distancing rules on social media whether that be going to parties or just generally far too large gatherings. These are then the SAME people who are now blaming everything but themselves for the recent rise in cases again. If I had a pound for every time I've seen people of a similar age as myself claiming that young people are being used as a scapegoat or it's not their fault or Tory scum... etc. then I'd have more money than that fella who won Who Wants to be a Millionaire 30 mins ago. And I'm neither supporting or going against our government in this situation. This is a pandemic, not a political issue and I will not succer up to those who are politicising it. Everyone has a responsibility to do the right thing and as I already said younger people have been proven to be those not complying with social distancing rules and therefore causing a rise in covid cases. As with thousands of others, I'm about to return to university. I suppose I'm in a fortunate position as I start in two weeks time whereas many have already started or are going back this weekend so I'll be able to see their experiences before my own. Already, I've seen a wealth of simply untrue statements online about what is to come. Primarily, a lot of rubbish from the weaponised lecturer unions who have been spouting out all kinds of fear mongering and rubbish which I wouldn't dare take a single grain or salt from let alone a pinch (I'm fortunate in the fact that lecturers at my university aren't so heavily unionised so I have been spared of the false facts and been able to directly see how things will be). I've already been bombarded with a whole load of emails regarding my return and how social distancing will be enforced, monitored and maintained, alongside staggered arrival slots and arrangements for how flat bubbles will work. Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of getting these emails but if that doesn't show you that tonnes of work is being put in to ensure a safe return then I don't know how people are going to be pleased. Students have much more flexibility as to whether they want to remain at home for now or not and some courses are being taught entirely remotely for the time being. This is exactly in line with workers who are largely able at their own discretion to work at home or not. Last month we saw thousands returning to their workplaces as they were brought off of furlough (yes, many remained at home but plenty didn't) and that hardly caused any problems did it. Rant over. But all I'll end with is just use common d*mn sense. A rise in the R number doesn't mean it's time to start fear mongering and predicting a full second lockdown. Outbreaks are now particularly localised, and local lockdowns are proving to be successful. Leicester, Aberdeen, Preston, Bolton... etc. And of course people should take responsibility for their own actions. Enough of the petty blame game. It solves absolutely nothing! I think you are being a bit too relaxed with this view. You are indeed right about scapegoats and blame, however it's a case about preventing it not spreading it. The rate now is so low that it should be theoretically safe to assume in most crowds people are not carriers however you have the odd chance of "what if" as the rate is still high enough for that to be a potential case. Once someone in a crowd does happen to have it then the chances of it spreading like wildfire within that crowd are huge. Effort is being put in by employers and other institutions however the effort is only as worthwhile as the people following it. I think with Eat Out to help out you can't ignore it. Redbridge has now got among the highest cases in the South of England, which is also the borough where Ilford Lane had more than an hour delay going through due to people queueing into the road for restaurants during the scheme. I don't think that's a coincidence. Regarding Universities, a fact of the matter is that most students will not keep distance from each other, they just won't. It's the black and blue, most of them aren't scared of getting the virus due to their young age and tend to be more impulsive in decisions. It's this reason quite a lot of Unis within London especially are not even opening up at all, even for just some lectures and sessions. So in their case I think it's best to keep closed until January, there's no huge loss keeping them closed at the moment as everything most things can be done online and adaptations can be made to courses to allow it in most cases. Another slightly morbid reason for the slight decrease in potential infections is that the virus has already effectively "done its toll" through the vulnerable, so there's less of them to get seriously infected, and therefore reported. So while a second spike will probably result in more infections, it might not be the case it will cause more deaths. Sadly the reality is the virus will be with us until a vaccine is developed and that's hoping these stupid anti-vaxxers also get vaccinated. I do hope they make it law to have a vaccination when once comes out. Being skeptical of a vaccine that hasn’t been tested thoroughly (and this usually takes years) is not being anti-vaxx. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 12, 2020 8:05:16 GMT
I think you are being a bit too relaxed with this view. You are indeed right about scapegoats and blame, however it's a case about preventing it not spreading it. The rate now is so low that it should be theoretically safe to assume in most crowds people are not carriers however you have the odd chance of "what if" as the rate is still high enough for that to be a potential case. Once someone in a crowd does happen to have it then the chances of it spreading like wildfire within that crowd are huge. Effort is being put in by employers and other institutions however the effort is only as worthwhile as the people following it. I think with Eat Out to help out you can't ignore it. Redbridge has now got among the highest cases in the South of England, which is also the borough where Ilford Lane had more than an hour delay going through due to people queueing into the road for restaurants during the scheme. I don't think that's a coincidence. Regarding Universities, a fact of the matter is that most students will not keep distance from each other, they just won't. It's the black and blue, most of them aren't scared of getting the virus due to their young age and tend to be more impulsive in decisions. It's this reason quite a lot of Unis within London especially are not even opening up at all, even for just some lectures and sessions. So in their case I think it's best to keep closed until January, there's no huge loss keeping them closed at the moment as everything most things can be done online and adaptations can be made to courses to allow it in most cases. Another slightly morbid reason for the slight decrease in potential infections is that the virus has already effectively "done its toll" through the vulnerable, so there's less of them to get seriously infected, and therefore reported. So while a second spike will probably result in more infections, it might not be the case it will cause more deaths. Sadly the reality is the virus will be with us until a vaccine is developed and that's hoping these stupid anti-vaxxers also get vaccinated. I do hope they make it law to have a vaccination when once comes out. Being skeptical of a vaccine that hasn’t been tested thoroughly (and this usually takes years) is not being anti-vaxx. Oh yes, this is true. I think the rush to develop a vaccine is important so the year long clinical trials could be shortened. However I would still like to see the results of the clinical trials and to what extent they were deemed successful. |
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Post by bus12451 on Sept 12, 2020 17:30:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 19:25:26 GMT
Coronavirus: Redbridge could face local lockdown with highest infection rates across London with Havering and Newham close behind
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 13, 2020 0:41:53 GMT
We just need to give up with these lockdowns (which are quite frankly, a futile measure at best).
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Post by danorak on Sept 13, 2020 17:29:50 GMT
I think some people reach a point of bad news fatigue. Such people, who may have had nobody close to them suffering with or passing away from covid, have reached this point. It becomes increasingly hard to gain compliance with guidelines etc. Then you have people who listen and get on with whatever they’re doing with a healthy amount of caution, following guidelines. There are then people who are anxious , and people who I would say are finding themselves in hiding almost. I dealt with a suicidal young woman yesterday . Nothing I said really helped, but when I offered her a mask and some of my hand sanitiser while we waited for an ambulance, she was extremely relieved and told me lockdown had made her extremely anxious and had made pre existing mental health matters far far worse. I worry that masks and hand sanitiser will become items some people won’t want to part with. I am very angry at how the media , assisted by the government, have handled this pandemic. I appreciate scary headlines sell newspapers and encourage people to watch 24/7 rolling news with frequent advertisement breaks. But if you watch all this, you don’t learn anything new, just get furnished with more things to worry about. We need perspective, perseverance and stoicism. People need to take this seriously and not be reckless. But at same time, we are human and need to see our loved ones. I have found that you do need to isolate yourself from the news sometimes for the sake of your mental health. You can't carry all the world's problems on your shoulders. I deliberately avoided the press conferences earlier this year because I couldn't see how a daily diet of doom and a rising death count, reported in the most sensationalist way they could find, was going to help me get through this. |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 13, 2020 21:28:32 GMT
We just need to give up with these lockdowns (which are quite frankly, a futile measure at best). Lockdown Lite begins tomorrow (The Joy of Six)  but elsewhere Sadiq is being heckled by black cab drivers, saying he has destroyed London... some of it got quite nasty outside City Hall. It's all the stupid cycle lanes that crippled the streets, "KHAN OUT" banners and chanting according to the Guardian. I think this Lockdown is going to go through the winter, they may not bother with switching on Xmas lights this year in Regent Street / Oxford Street (especially paying £15 congestion charge plus parking for the privilege)... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:08:19 GMT
Some light humour 
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 16, 2020 19:01:57 GMT
Some light humour I’d be physically distancing from him. Probably around 100m away would suffice. 😂 |
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but elsewhere Sadiq is being heckled by black cab drivers, saying he has destroyed London... some of it got quite nasty outside City Hall. It's all the stupid cycle lanes that crippled the streets, "KHAN OUT" banners and chanting according to the Guardian. 
