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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 12, 2020 9:40:08 GMT
‘At all times’, meaning outside? No. It is pointless outside. As this virus is air borne, surely it's better to be safe than sorry? It is safer outside than it is inside when it comes to transmission. However in busy town centres I still keep my mask on, as I had to when I was in Covent Garden over the weekend. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 12, 2020 12:12:20 GMT
‘At all times’, meaning outside? No. It is pointless outside. As this virus is air borne, surely it's better to be safe than sorry? Pedant alert, it's not Airborne - it's droplet borne. This does however mean that it can spread through air quite easily which is how it transmits. |
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Post by bus12451 on Oct 12, 2020 15:32:38 GMT
So let’s close schools, those disadvantaged children and teenagers fall even further behind and in a few years you’ll be complaining about how they aren’t able to attend uni or do a-levels because they are woefully undereducated. Then at the same time the education gap grows even larger between the richest and poorest all because you couldn’t give up a beer. I would beg you to look at the proverb ‘For want of a nail’ to understand how a single event can escalate to something no one can foresee. "Compulsory wearing of masks, at all times" WHY NOT YET??!!!!!!  I don't think face coverings will ever be made compulsory outside. Couldn't imagine going out for a run in the park with a mask on.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 22:02:33 GMT
Anyone else notice the slippage in language. I’ve heard it will be OK at Christmas, then perhaps back to normal in the Spring. Then by end of 2021 things should be much better.
I’m sorry but I’m now disinterested. I’ll take my chances and protect my loved ones of course and those around me. Chances of dying is still under 0.5%.
But it’s beginning to annoy me that we can’t seem to focus on anything other than covid. I’ve had enough of seeing people dead from preventable issues, because they were either depressed, couldn’t get treated, or didn’t want to go to hospital , out of fear.
This is all about preventing hospitals being overwhelmed. Precisely why they’ll become overwhelmed is because there isn’t enough staff.
This time next year, if we carry on like this, our cities will be ghost towns , our theatres, concert venues, smaller sporting clubs, restaurants, hotels, pubs, closed. Thousands if not millions unemployed, crime will soar. And they’ll be more deaths.
I don’t know the solution. But it’s not a vaccine, it’s not herd immunity. Maybe, we just have to accept chances of death. Arguably, trying to hide from such a small threat, is pushing us into a much bigger one.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 13, 2020 6:00:22 GMT
Anyone else notice the slippage in language. I’ve heard it will be OK at Christmas, then perhaps back to normal in the Spring. Then by end of 2021 things should be much better. I’m sorry but I’m now disinterested. I’ll take my chances and protect my loved ones of course and those around me. Chances of dying is still under 0.5%. But it’s beginning to annoy me that we can’t seem to focus on anything other than covid. I’ve had enough of seeing people dead from preventable issues, because they were either depressed, couldn’t get treated, or didn’t want to go to hospital , out of fear. This is all about preventing hospitals being overwhelmed. Precisely why they’ll become overwhelmed is because there isn’t enough staff. This time next year, if we carry on like this, our cities will be ghost towns , our theatres, concert venues, smaller sporting clubs, restaurants, hotels, pubs, closed. Thousands if not millions unemployed, crime will soar. And they’ll be more deaths. I don’t know the solution. But it’s not a vaccine, it’s not herd immunity. Maybe, we just have to accept chances of death. Arguably, trying to hide from such a small threat, is pushing us into a much bigger one. That's the worst part of it, there's no end date to all this and medical scientists are calling for even harsher restrictions since those announced yesterday. There is still a small minority of people not wearing face coverings on public transport despite the threat of a £6,400 fine....... a few £10,000 fines dished out for house parties seems to have had the desired effect. Of course nobody wants any of this but the situation is what it is. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 13, 2020 6:36:38 GMT
Anyone else notice the slippage in language. I’ve heard it will be OK at Christmas, then perhaps back to normal in the Spring. Then by end of 2021 things should be much better. I’m sorry but I’m now disinterested. I’ll take my chances and protect my loved ones of course and those around me. Chances of dying is still under 0.5%. But it’s beginning to annoy me that we can’t seem to focus on anything other than covid. I’ve had enough of seeing people dead from preventable issues, because they were either depressed, couldn’t get treated, or didn’t want to go to hospital , out of fear. This is all about preventing hospitals being overwhelmed. Precisely why they’ll become overwhelmed is because there isn’t enough staff. This time next year, if we carry on like this, our cities will be ghost towns , our theatres, concert venues, smaller sporting clubs, restaurants, hotels, pubs, closed. Thousands if not millions unemployed, crime will soar. And they’ll be more deaths. I don’t know the solution. But it’s not a vaccine, it’s not herd immunity. Maybe, we just have to accept chances of death. Arguably, trying to hide from such a small threat, is pushing us into a much bigger one. That's the worst part of it, there's no end date to all this and medical scientists are calling for even harsher restrictions since those announced yesterday. There is still a small minority of people not wearing face coverings on public transport despite the threat of a £6,400 fine....... a few £10,000 fines dished out for house parties seems to have had the desired effect. Of course nobody wants any of this but the situation is what it is. Also interesting that the scientists gave to hospitality sector curfew a minimal effect on the spread of COVID ... its lowest rating (think without rechecking the only measure to receive this rating) ... and seems not to take into account the 'everybody out at 10 effect'. Science backs up my views. Just goes to show picked as an easy target under the guise of doing something. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 13, 2020 8:05:56 GMT
Work has started on Regent Street to widen pavements and put in cycle lanes, with temporary barriers going in for the pre-Christmas shopping period. The permanent works will see most of Regent Street reduced to a single traffic lane with a cycle lane alongside, and wider pavements for pedestrians including wider space in the middle of the road for pedestrians crossing. There will also be tree planting. The work is being carried out by The Crown Estate which owns most of Regent Street. Source: www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/10/12/regent-street-to-get-wider-pavements-and-cycle-lanes/ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 19:14:52 GMT
Been lots of talk on the news about circuit breaker lockdowns in the next few weeks. Now maybe I m missing something but surely this will lower infections for a few weeks only for them to rise again as soon as we open up. Also noticed a lot more talk of no return to normal for at least another 9 months to a year, think Boris was very foolish suggesting things could be better by Christmas.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 13, 2020 22:43:23 GMT
Work has started on Regent Street to widen pavements and put in cycle lanes, with temporary barriers going in for the pre-Christmas shopping period. The permanent works will see most of Regent Street reduced to a single traffic lane with a cycle lane alongside, and wider pavements for pedestrians including wider space in the middle of the road for pedestrians crossing. There will also be tree planting. The work is being carried out by The Crown Estate which owns most of Regent Street. Source: www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/10/12/regent-street-to-get-wider-pavements-and-cycle-lanes/lol, wont make me go there anytime soon. I would rather go somewhere like Westfield, Bluewater etc so if I do buy good that are large I can carry them in the car. Plus there is more security etc in the places compared to crime ridden pick pocket Regent St. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 14, 2020 17:22:11 GMT
The Crown Prosecution Service has reviewed the case of Belly Mujunga, the rail worker who died of covid-19 in April after allegedly having been spat on whilst working at Victoria Station in March. The reviews has concluded that "“CCTV and witness evidence was insufficiently clear and consistent to substantiate allegations of deliberate coughing or spitting, meaning no charges can be brought for assault or public order offences.” “Medical tests confirmed the suspect had not been infected with coronavirus, which together with the lack of other evidence rules out any charges in relation to homicide. Therefore, after careful consideration and with all lines of inquiry explored, we have advised BTP no further reliable evidence has become available to change their original decision in this case.” The family are disappointed by the decision to close the case. Belly's husband, Lusamba Katalay, said “Black lives do matter. Belly’s life mattered. It mattered to me, to our daughter, our friends and family, to Belly’s colleagues, and now it matters to many thousands of you out there.” “We want justice for Belly. Belly didn’t lie about being assaulted. Belly and her colleague were confronted and intimidated as frontline workers and their concerns and their fears were ignored. We continue to have questions after the police investigation.” www.theguardian.com/law/2020/aug/06/belly-mujinga-no-charges-after-cps-review-rail-workers-covid-19-deathBBC's Panorama programme has been investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of Belly Mujinga, and claims to have unearthed additional information that has not previously been in the public domain. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54435703 |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 14, 2020 19:13:42 GMT
Been lots of talk on the news about circuit breaker lockdowns in the next few weeks. Now maybe I m missing something but surely this will lower infections for a few weeks only for them to rise again as soon as we open up. Also noticed a lot more talk of no return to normal for at least another 9 months to a year, think Boris was very foolish suggesting things could be better by Christmas.
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Post by ronnie on Oct 14, 2020 19:22:41 GMT
Work has started on Regent Street to widen pavements and put in cycle lanes, with temporary barriers going in for the pre-Christmas shopping period. The permanent works will see most of Regent Street reduced to a single traffic lane with a cycle lane alongside, and wider pavements for pedestrians including wider space in the middle of the road for pedestrians crossing. There will also be tree planting. The work is being carried out by The Crown Estate which owns most of Regent Street. Source: www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/10/12/regent-street-to-get-wider-pavements-and-cycle-lanes/lol, wont make me go there anytime soon. I would rather go somewhere like Westfield, Bluewater etc so if I do buy good that are large I can carry them in the car. Plus there is more security etc in the places compared to crime ridden pick pocket Regent St. I fear that Covid plus the £15 congestion charge all days till 10pm is going to sound the death knell for a lot of businesses in central London I actually used to drive into central London on the weekends at times to shop (well when you have an infant in a pram try negotiating Oxford Circus station!). Previously of course my wife and I always used public transport (tube, bus you name it; have done some epic journeys on the 25!). It’s much more difficult to juggle heavy shopping and Small kids .... Now .... who cares. Don’t think I have any incentive to pay £15 on top of parking. Westfield / Canary Wharf shopping mall it is nowadays. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 14, 2020 19:58:48 GMT
lol, wont make me go there anytime soon. I would rather go somewhere like Westfield, Bluewater etc so if I do buy good that are large I can carry them in the car. Plus there is more security etc in the places compared to crime ridden pick pocket Regent St. I fear that Covid plus the £15 congestion charge all days till 10pm is going to sound the death knell for a lot of businesses in central London I actually used to drive into central London on the weekends at times to shop (well when you have an infant in a pram try negotiating Oxford Circus station!). Previously of course my wife and I always used public transport (tube, bus you name it; have done some epic journeys on the 25!). It’s much more difficult to juggle heavy shopping and Small kids .... Now .... who cares. Don’t think I have any incentive to pay £15 on top of parking. Westfield / Canary Wharf shopping mall it is nowadays. I was thinking this too, what's the point paying £15 congestion fee to just hunt around for parking and going around in circles. Today I managed to go to Bluewater and back for only £5 on DartCharge with free parking all day and all the shops I could want. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 14, 2020 22:26:31 GMT
I did not even think of the congestion charge fee on top of that. There is nothing special about 95% of the shops on Oxford Street/Regent Street as they can be found elsewhere, its a no brainer not to even bother going there.
Back in the 90's almost every Christmas I used to go there for Christmas present shop etc. late years to take pics of buses and Christmas lights. Stopped shopping there after Bluewater opened, then I no longer bother going out there to take pics of buses let alone the Christmas lights, just not special enough anymore.
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Post by ronnie on Oct 14, 2020 23:26:30 GMT
I fear that Covid plus the £15 congestion charge all days till 10pm is going to sound the death knell for a lot of businesses in central London I actually used to drive into central London on the weekends at times to shop (well when you have an infant in a pram try negotiating Oxford Circus station!). Previously of course my wife and I always used public transport (tube, bus you name it; have done some epic journeys on the 25!). It’s much more difficult to juggle heavy shopping and Small kids .... Now .... who cares. Don’t think I have any incentive to pay £15 on top of parking. Westfield / Canary Wharf shopping mall it is nowadays. I was thinking this too, what's the point paying £15 congestion fee to just hunt around for parking and going around in circles. Today I managed to go to Bluewater and back for only £5 on DartCharge with free parking all day and all the shops I could want. True, much better in Westfield / other shopping malls especially when it’s cold / freezing / pouring. Apart from the “central London” feel and the Christmas lights there isn’t anything unique left. What with the constant extinction rebellion protests, lack of buses, convoluted tube exits - it’s not exactly a surprise very few people want to go there. |
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