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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 15, 2020 19:03:55 GMT
At this point the money that they get will just be used to meet the conditions to get it. How much will it cost to extend the CC zone & remove the free travel?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 19:13:25 GMT
I totally get the need to do this but at the same time do worry about attracting more people into a pretty tight area. I went Oxford Street a few weeks ago on a Saturday afternoon and was surprised how busy it was! I had seem reports of it being a ghost town.
Sorry to be a MR Grumpy.
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Post by richard on Oct 15, 2020 19:20:44 GMT
I totally get the need to do this but at the same time do worry about attracting more people into a pretty tight area. I went Oxford Street a few weeks ago on a Saturday afternoon and was surprised how busy it was! I had seem reports of it being a ghost town.
Sorry to be a MR Grumpy.
I have only been there at night it is proper dead and its strange seeing nearly all of the shops closed but I think its picking up now with people. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 15, 2020 21:27:36 GMT
Now reported comes with conditions of fares hike (hike was word used, not a rise) Also expansion of congestion charging Also removal of more free travel tickets How will expansion of congestion zone to north and south circular work? That’s one massive residential area coming into the picture as well and not sure all of that needs congestion zone |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 15, 2020 21:28:42 GMT
This is a big shockwave if Congestion Zone gets extended to the circulars, while it may impress many it'll wipe out many town centres as these depend on car users coming there. Many retail parks in the Zone would effectively be dead and ones just on the outside such as Gallions Reach will lose so much custom.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 15, 2020 22:24:55 GMT
Let's hope people stick to this! Can't see it my self based on the last set of restrictions but can hope. I don't want to get too political but starting to wonder if the government is getting its timing wrong like it did in March and we will end up in a bad situation in a few weeks. Given this week's very public disassociation by the SAGE committee (which advised the "circuit breaker" on 21st September) and Labour's very public about-turn on supporting the Government's efforts to fight the virus, I think there is every possibility that the Government is getting its timing wrong. I'd love to be wrong on this but I doubt that I am. I think to be honest it is a waste of time. I have simply lost faith in most of this and see the general public been taken for a laughing stock since many MP's like Cummins and the recent SNP MP take the pee and get away with it.
Even the so called circuit breaker would solve nothing. Unless there is a vaccination, it is pointless. The only way that can work is if everyone is totally in doors, no one on the street, not even police, no one at all; total apocalypse ghost town. Then anyone coming into the country is taken to a facility to isolate for 14 days. Unless any of this is done, the virus is always going to come back whether we like it or not.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 15, 2020 22:26:22 GMT
A bit early and an overkill, why not just switch them on in the height of summer. Almost 2 months early imo is pathetic. They should be switched on till 1 December imo, the 25 November at a push, any earlier is just madness. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 15, 2020 22:29:23 GMT
This is a big shockwave if Congestion Zone gets extended to the circulars, while it may impress many it'll wipe out many town centres as these depend on car users coming there. Many retail parks in the Zone would effectively be dead and ones just on the outside such as Gallions Reach will lose so much custom. If that is done, they can go screw themselves, I would not give them a penny. I am glad I moved out of London. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2020 22:51:44 GMT
This is a big shockwave if Congestion Zone gets extended to the circulars, while it may impress many it'll wipe out many town centres as these depend on car users coming there. Many retail parks in the Zone would effectively be dead and ones just on the outside such as Gallions Reach will lose so much custom. I think the government are trying push Khan to see how far or how much he will give up to get a bailout - ironically, somewhere like Brixton would likely escape the effects of this given it's not somewhere you'd really take a car and park although it would exasperate existing congestion in Streatham Hill, but along the North Circular, it would hurt the retail parks as you suggested. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 15, 2020 23:58:49 GMT
This is a big shockwave if Congestion Zone gets extended to the circulars, while it may impress many it'll wipe out many town centres as these depend on car users coming there. Many retail parks in the Zone would effectively be dead and ones just on the outside such as Gallions Reach will lose so much custom. I think the government are trying push Khan to see how far or how much he will give up to get a bailout - ironically, somewhere like Brixton would likely escape the effects of this given it's not somewhere you'd really take a car and park although it would exasperate existing congestion in Streatham Hill, but along the North Circular, it would hurt the retail parks as you suggested. I agree, places like Brixton, maybe Whitechapel too should in theory be fine however the others will suffer a lot. I'm all for reducing congestion but this is totally ridiculous on any level, seems to be more of a political move to turn people in inner London against Labour. A part of me wants to see what would happen if Khan didn't agree to these demands. If TfL stops the government will just have an even bigger headache of their own making. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 16, 2020 0:27:09 GMT
I think the government are trying push Khan to see how far or how much he will give up to get a bailout - ironically, somewhere like Brixton would likely escape the effects of this given it's not somewhere you'd really take a car and park although it would exasperate existing congestion in Streatham Hill, but along the North Circular, it would hurt the retail parks as you suggested. I agree, places like Brixton, maybe Whitechapel too should in theory be fine however the others will suffer a lot. I'm all for reducing congestion but this is totally ridiculous on any level, seems to be more of a political move to turn people in inner London against Labour. A part of me wants to see what would happen if Khan didn't agree to these demands. If TfL stops the government will just have an even bigger headache of their own making. It’s a good point, people would be literally up in arms of the congestion zone is expanded further. There is already significant opposition to these LTNs and this will seriously frustrate people! |
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Post by richard on Oct 16, 2020 1:04:23 GMT
A bit early and an overkill, why not just switch them on in the height of summer. Almost 2 months early imo is pathetic. They should be switched on till 1 December imo, the 25 November at a push, any earlier is just madness. I agree I think the 1st December is better and that's the time you need to put up your trees anyway |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2020 1:28:09 GMT
I think the government are trying push Khan to see how far or how much he will give up to get a bailout - ironically, somewhere like Brixton would likely escape the effects of this given it's not somewhere you'd really take a car and park although it would exasperate existing congestion in Streatham Hill, but along the North Circular, it would hurt the retail parks as you suggested. I agree, places like Brixton, maybe Whitechapel too should in theory be fine however the others will suffer a lot. I'm all for reducing congestion but this is totally ridiculous on any level, seems to be more of a political move to turn people in inner London against Labour. A part of me wants to see what would happen if Khan didn't agree to these demands. If TfL stops the government will just have an even bigger headache of their own making. Indeed, just like with the LTN's, it's not the way to go in reducing congestion as it just moves the problem elsewhere - reducing congestion requires something a lot more radical than that that reduces it across the board. Someone close to the mayor seems to suggest that Khan won't agree to anything involving the extended congestion charge zone and scrapping of free travel so it would be a case of the government then really wanting to test Khan's limits - Khan looks like he is in a lose lose situation as if he lets TfL go bust, that obviously doesn't look good but if he caves into the government's demands, he looks incredibly weaker than he already does and I wouldn't be surprised if the government escapes any blame as a result if TfL does go bust. That would probably leave the bus network going into a deregulated state and cuts of the like we probably haven't seen ever will probably come about as a result. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 16, 2020 1:37:11 GMT
Now reported comes with conditions of fares hike (hike was word used, not a rise) Also expansion of congestion charging Also removal of more free travel tickets And all that's on top of seperate existing plans to expand the ULEZ from October 2021, affecting quite a number of older vehicles. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Oct 16, 2020 1:41:40 GMT
It'll be win win for the Tories if TfL goes bust. They can get Shaun Bailey to say that Khan wouldn't accept a bailout, while punishing road users by closing side streets and making bus lanes 24/7 and stripping TfL of revenue for four years with the fares freeze, even if it was Covid-19 that caused the recent issues, leaving next year's Mayoral election more of an open race as low paid commuters are punished by fare rises and poorer transport which may attract typical Labour voters to vote for Shaun Bailey to bring stability to our public transport system with a Conservative Government until 2024.
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