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Post by M1104 on Oct 16, 2020 1:47:45 GMT
It'll be win win for the Tories if TfL goes bust. They can get Shaun Bailey to say that Khan wouldn't accept a bailout, while punishing road users by closing side streets and making bus lanes 24/7 and stripping TfL of revenue for four years with the fares freeze, even if it was Covid-19 that caused the recent issues, leaving next year's Mayoral election more of an open race as low paid commuters are punished by fare rises and poorer transport which may attract typical Labour voters to vote for Shaun Bailey to bring stability to our public transport system with a Conservative Government until 2024. I believe Mr Bailey still wants to take away the TfL nominee pass. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 4:51:49 GMT
Now reported comes with conditions of fares hike (hike was word used, not a rise) Also expansion of congestion charging Also removal of more free travel tickets I guess some bitter pills are inevitable, fares hike or cuts in services and why on earth the X68 has been reinstated and a full service on the 521 I don't know, these are basically commuter services. And TfL really need to be making some reductions in Central London, at least on a temporary basis to be reviewed when some sort of normality returns. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 4:53:36 GMT
I'm not sure I'd regard that as good news, as others have said keep it in December. Looks like being a very diluted Christmas this year anyway. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 16, 2020 8:26:26 GMT
Now reported comes with conditions of fares hike (hike was word used, not a rise) Also expansion of congestion charging Also removal of more free travel tickets I guess some bitter pills are inevitable, fares hike or cuts in services and why on earth the X68 has been reinstated and a full service on the 521 I don't know, these are basically commuter services. And TfL really need to be making some reductions in Central London, at least on a temporary basis to be reviewed when some sort of normality returns. The X68 and 521 reinstatements were in readiness for "The Great Return To The Office" that was mandated for the beginning of September then revoked three weeks later, having largely been ignored anyway. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 8:38:31 GMT
I guess some bitter pills are inevitable, fares hike or cuts in services and why on earth the X68 has been reinstated and a full service on the 521 I don't know, these are basically commuter services. And TfL really need to be making some reductions in Central London, at least on a temporary basis to be reviewed when some sort of normality returns. The X68 and 521 reinstatements were in readiness for "The Great Return To The Office" that was mandated for the beginning of September then revoked three weeks later, having largely been ignored anyway. I think it was only ever going to be a trickle back to the office at most rather than a surge. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 16, 2020 8:50:00 GMT
This is a big shockwave if Congestion Zone gets extended to the circulars, while it may impress many it'll wipe out many town centres as these depend on car users coming there. Many retail parks in the Zone would effectively be dead and ones just on the outside such as Gallions Reach will lose so much custom. And don't forget the costco in Chingford and Ikea in Tottenham. Those places fall within the NCR. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 16, 2020 8:53:05 GMT
Now reported comes with conditions of fares hike (hike was word used, not a rise) Also expansion of congestion charging Also removal of more free travel tickets And all that's on top of seperate existing plans to expand the ULEZ from October 2021, affecting quite a number of older vehicles. I know a lot of Diesel heads are sweating about this move for next year in October. Next year will be an interesting year for cars getting bought and sold on autotrader. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 16, 2020 9:10:04 GMT
Morning all
I would like to say this. In regards to the ULEZ Extension next year it's going to seriously cripple a lot of people financially. Some people have already lost their jobs and now with the potential plan of extending the congestion charge to the NCR and SCR will cause mayhem to many communities. I get why they initially wanted to do this from the environment point of view but lately I feel as though this is just another Cash-Cow opportunity presented towards us. As easlondoner62 rightly said before about potential businesses going bust if this move of the congestion charge was to go ahead. With the current prices it would work out like this.
If you have to travel within that zone 5 days a week and your car is not Ulez compliant. You are paying 135 a week just to get into the zone and that's not even including parking or fuel which would come up to over 500 pounds a month.
Going back to the LTN i'm glad some boroughs opposed this and rightly so because restricting cars down one path will cause issues on other parts and as I said a while back God forbid someone was in an ambulance and they needed to get to a hospital and they couldn't go through because that road was closed. That is madness.
Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry with this stuff and the fact that Crossrail hadn't opened in the time they said it would had put his credibility in doubt.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 9:37:59 GMT
Morning all I would like to say this. In regards to the ULEZ Extension next year it's going to seriously cripple a lot of people financially. Some people have already lost their jobs and now with the potential plan of extending the congestion charge to the NCR and SCR will cause mayhem to many communities. I get why they initially wanted to do this from the environment point of view but lately I feel as though this is just another Cash-Cow opportunity presented towards us. As easlondoner62 rightly said before about potential businesses going bust if this move of the congestion charge was to go ahead. With the current prices it would work out like this. If you have to travel within that zone 5 days a week and your car is not Ulez compliant. You are paying 135 a week just to get into the zone and that's not even including parking or fuel which would come up to over 500 pounds a month. Going back to the LTN i'm glad some boroughs opposed this and rightly so because restricting cars down one path will cause issues on other parts and as I said a while back God forbid someone was in an ambulance and they needed to get to a hospital and they couldn't go through because that road was closed. That is madness. Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry with this stuff and the fact that Crossrail hadn't opened in the time they said it would had put his credibility in doubt. I realise it's going to cause financial hardship but what other options are there other than cutting services? Whilst some LTNs have been a disaster others have been well received so I think we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm reluctant to criticise Sadiq Khan at the moment, I think anybody currently in office has a got a pretty thankless task and projects do overrun (ie Berlin Airport) although Crossrail delays are probably the least of his problems at the moment. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 16, 2020 9:45:26 GMT
I agree, places like Brixton, maybe Whitechapel too should in theory be fine however the others will suffer a lot. I'm all for reducing congestion but this is totally ridiculous on any level, seems to be more of a political move to turn people in inner London against Labour. A part of me wants to see what would happen if Khan didn't agree to these demands. If TfL stops the government will just have an even bigger headache of their own making. It’s a good point, people would be literally up in arms of the congestion zone is expanded further. There is already significant opposition to these LTNs and this will seriously frustrate people! I can't see any serious opposition against it to be honest. People just moan and take it. The only serious voice against changes is from the cycling community. All these LTN's, LEZ's etc are just examples of people taking everything dished out. If it were Paris, they would be rioting at many of the changes we have gone through in London over the years. I was actually shocked that there was a protest in Hackney at the town hall over the LTN's, but to me its a one off and hasn't gone far enough. It doesn't solve anything and is merely a stealth 'backdoor' tax.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 16, 2020 9:52:21 GMT
Morning all I would like to say this. In regards to the ULEZ Extension next year it's going to seriously cripple a lot of people financially. Some people have already lost their jobs and now with the potential plan of extending the congestion charge to the NCR and SCR will cause mayhem to many communities. I get why they initially wanted to do this from the environment point of view but lately I feel as though this is just another Cash-Cow opportunity presented towards us. As easlondoner62 rightly said before about potential businesses going bust if this move of the congestion charge was to go ahead. With the current prices it would work out like this. If you have to travel within that zone 5 days a week and your car is not Ulez compliant. You are paying 135 a week just to get into the zone and that's not even including parking or fuel which would come up to over 500 pounds a month. Going back to the LTN i'm glad some boroughs opposed this and rightly so because restricting cars down one path will cause issues on other parts and as I said a while back God forbid someone was in an ambulance and they needed to get to a hospital and they couldn't go through because that road was closed. That is madness. Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry with this stuff and the fact that Crossrail hadn't opened in the time they said it would had put his credibility in doubt. It is practically another cash cow imo, if everyone sold there car tomorrow and bought a bicycle, they would look at ways to say cycling is causing damage to the environment in some way to create stealth taxes. As for the LTN's emergency services in Barkingside have had problems with delays times over the past month and I don't feel sorry for them. They never argue or do anything when they are proposed and just take it lying down.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 16, 2020 9:54:52 GMT
Morning all I would like to say this. In regards to the ULEZ Extension next year it's going to seriously cripple a lot of people financially. Some people have already lost their jobs and now with the potential plan of extending the congestion charge to the NCR and SCR will cause mayhem to many communities. I get why they initially wanted to do this from the environment point of view but lately I feel as though this is just another Cash-Cow opportunity presented towards us. As easlondoner62 rightly said before about potential businesses going bust if this move of the congestion charge was to go ahead. With the current prices it would work out like this. If you have to travel within that zone 5 days a week and your car is not Ulez compliant. You are paying 135 a week just to get into the zone and that's not even including parking or fuel which would come up to over 500 pounds a month. Going back to the LTN i'm glad some boroughs opposed this and rightly so because restricting cars down one path will cause issues on other parts and as I said a while back God forbid someone was in an ambulance and they needed to get to a hospital and they couldn't go through because that road was closed. That is madness. Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry with this stuff and the fact that Crossrail hadn't opened in the time they said it would had put his credibility in doubt. I realise it's going to cause financial hardship but what other options are there other than cutting services? Whilst some LTNs have been a disaster others have been well received so I think we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm reluctant to criticise Sadiq Khan at the moment, I think anybody currently in office has a got a pretty thankless task and projects do overrun (ie Berlin Airport) although Crossrail delays are probably the least of his problems at the moment. The LTN's that you say are well received are just by selfish NIMBY's who want to increase their house price etc. but are ok to go and driver in someone else's side street as a shortcut. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 16, 2020 9:57:46 GMT
I realise it's going to cause financial hardship but what other options are there other than cutting services? Whilst some LTNs have been a disaster others have been well received so I think we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm reluctant to criticise Sadiq Khan at the moment, I think anybody currently in office has a got a pretty thankless task and projects do overrun (ie Berlin Airport) although Crossrail delays are probably the least of his problems at the moment. The LTN's that you say are well received are just by selfish NIMBY's who want to increase their house price etc. but are ok to go and driver in someone else's side street as a shortcut. The only (semi) good LTN I can think of is the Northcote Road weekend one. All the shops extend onto the road and it is always busy whenever I go past, even in the rain! The only downside is the diversion for the 319 & G1 as they get stuck in traffic lose so much time. If there was another route they could use, I would say that that LTN is alright. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:07:18 GMT
Morning all I would like to say this. In regards to the ULEZ Extension next year it's going to seriously cripple a lot of people financially. Some people have already lost their jobs and now with the potential plan of extending the congestion charge to the NCR and SCR will cause mayhem to many communities. I get why they initially wanted to do this from the environment point of view but lately I feel as though this is just another Cash-Cow opportunity presented towards us. As easlondoner62 rightly said before about potential businesses going bust if this move of the congestion charge was to go ahead. With the current prices it would work out like this. If you have to travel within that zone 5 days a week and your car is not Ulez compliant. You are paying 135 a week just to get into the zone and that's not even including parking or fuel which would come up to over 500 pounds a month. Going back to the LTN i'm glad some boroughs opposed this and rightly so because restricting cars down one path will cause issues on other parts and as I said a while back God forbid someone was in an ambulance and they needed to get to a hospital and they couldn't go through because that road was closed. That is madness. Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry with this stuff and the fact that Crossrail hadn't opened in the time they said it would had put his credibility in doubt. Sorry but don't think anyone will realistically pay the daily ULEZ charge unless seriously got money to burn, most cars from 2006 / 2007 are compliant and would work out cheaper to buy a old banger than pay the daily charge. If the congestion charge is extended I assume residents will receive 90% discount? I can't see this going ahead, can see a huge backlash and this will give people no option but to use public transport which we being told to avoid. |
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Post by busman on Oct 16, 2020 10:15:58 GMT
This is a big shockwave if Congestion Zone gets extended to the circulars, while it may impress many it'll wipe out many town centres as these depend on car users coming there. Many retail parks in the Zone would effectively be dead and ones just on the outside such as Gallions Reach will lose so much custom. If that is done, they can go screw themselves, I would not give them a penny. I am glad I moved out of London. Totally agree with your sentiments. I’m moving in the next 12 months to one of the home counties. I was born and raised here, but I feel all this foolish short termism is killing this city and any remnants of community. Densely packed high rise towers (Lewisham 🤮), lack of house building, dumb “pocket parks”, LTNs, endless roadworks and now this. If the government really want to extend the congestion charge to the north and south circular they will kill the London economy and many businesses within that boundary will go under. The irony of all these changes is that they end up driving out families and people on low incomes, further turning London into a highly transient population of 1-2 person households and the very wealthy. This is not progress. Londoners pay half a billion pounds each year in vehicle excise duty, 100% of which is spent outside of London. Greater London contributes 1/3rd of the UK’s GDP. Khan should be beating that economic drum loudly and publicly for London, because no-one else will do it. It’s fashionable to sneer at London and the influence it has, but the numbers speak for themselves. Choking the London economy will mean less money for the country as a whole and the PM knows it. This looks like a cynical political manoeuvre by the Tories ahead of the mayoral election. No doubt in the next few months Grant Shapps will show up again in a photoshoot with Shaun Bailey promising some unicorns and promptly disappear again once Khan wins a second term. |
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