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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 10:16:51 GMT
I realise it's going to cause financial hardship but what other options are there other than cutting services? Whilst some LTNs have been a disaster others have been well received so I think we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm reluctant to criticise Sadiq Khan at the moment, I think anybody currently in office has a got a pretty thankless task and projects do overrun (ie Berlin Airport) although Crossrail delays are probably the least of his problems at the moment. The LTN's that you say are well received are just by selfish NIMBY's who want to increase their house price etc. but are ok to go and driver in someone else's side street as a shortcut. And of course the 'nimbys' would say the selfish ones were the boy racers using their neighbourhood as a rat run. |
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Post by busman on Oct 16, 2020 10:31:04 GMT
The LTN's that you say are well received are just by selfish NIMBY's who want to increase their house price etc. but are ok to go and driver in someone else's side street as a shortcut. And of course the 'nimbys' would say the selfish ones were the boy racers using their neighbourhood as a rat run. The LTN’s in my area are not used by “boy racers”. Many have been put in place to encourage cycling rather than roads being victim of rat running. However traffic has been displaced onto other already busy and narrow roads, not equipped to handle the increased flow of traffic. LTNs appeared within weeks of announcement with zero consultation. Residents woke up to find their roads being blocked off. I’ve seen a council official counting something or another around the corner from my street. If they are even thinking about it, I will fiercely oppose any attempt to install an LTN in any of my surrounding roads. It’s a solution looking for a problem in many cases. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:38:44 GMT
And of course the 'nimbys' would say the selfish ones were the boy racers using their neighbourhood as a rat run. The LTN’s in my area are not used by “boy racers”. Many have been put in place to encourage cycling rather than roads being victim of rat running. However traffic has been displaced onto other already busy and narrow roads, not equipped to handle the increased flow of traffic. LTNs appeared within weeks of announcement with zero consultation. Residents woke up to find their roads being blocked off. I’ve seen a council official counting something or another around the corner from my street. If they are even thinking about it, I will fiercely oppose any attempt to install an LTN in any of my surrounding roads. It’s a solution looking for a problem in many cases. Where I am in Sutton it was the same, the residents woke up to find road blocks, no discussions with the council and no warnings. It just went in overnight and they hate it because they have to go massively out of their way to get home and are then stuck in traffic. The residents are staging weekly protests in Worcester Park as they are not being listened to by the council. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 16, 2020 10:42:34 GMT
And of course the 'nimbys' would say the selfish ones were the boy racers using their neighbourhood as a rat run. The LTN’s in my area are not used by “boy racers”. Many have been put in place to encourage cycling rather than roads being victim of rat running. However traffic has been displaced onto other already busy and narrow roads, not equipped to handle the increased flow of traffic. LTNs appeared within weeks of announcement with zero consultation. Residents woke up to find their roads being blocked off. I’ve seen a council official counting something or another around the corner from my street. If they are even thinking about it, I will fiercely oppose any attempt to install an LTN in any of my surrounding roads. It’s a solution looking for a problem in many cases. How do you oppose something that appears without warning. Where I am we have been fighting for 3 months to get them removed without success |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 10:47:03 GMT
And of course the 'nimbys' would say the selfish ones were the boy racers using their neighbourhood as a rat run. The LTN’s in my area are not used by “boy racers”. Many have been put in place to encourage cycling rather than roads being victim of rat running. However traffic has been displaced onto other already busy and narrow roads, not equipped to handle the increased flow of traffic. LTNs appeared within weeks of announcement with zero consultation. Residents woke up to find their roads being blocked off. I’ve seen a council official counting something or another around the corner from my street. If they are even thinking about it, I will fiercely oppose any attempt to install an LTN in any of my surrounding roads. It’s a solution looking for a problem in many cases. Such is the unprecedented situation that we're in that there is no time for consultations and inevitably there is going to be an element of trial and error and I believe some have been subsequently removed. |
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Post by busman on Oct 16, 2020 10:55:37 GMT
The LTN’s in my area are not used by “boy racers”. Many have been put in place to encourage cycling rather than roads being victim of rat running. However traffic has been displaced onto other already busy and narrow roads, not equipped to handle the increased flow of traffic. LTNs appeared within weeks of announcement with zero consultation. Residents woke up to find their roads being blocked off. I’ve seen a council official counting something or another around the corner from my street. If they are even thinking about it, I will fiercely oppose any attempt to install an LTN in any of my surrounding roads. It’s a solution looking for a problem in many cases. How do you oppose something that appears without warning. Where I am we have been fighting for 3 months to get them removed without success In Greenwich borough where I’m based, the plans for other LTN’s were announced online but not widely publicised. If I get a sniff that anything is planned in my street or surrounding access roads I will ensure all my neighbours are alerted and have a template objection text to submit to the council. Also has anyone else observed a number of people cycling about at sunset/night with no lights, reflectors or helmet? These people have a death wish. I nearly pulled out in front of one a few weeks ago - absolutely crazy. There should be some kind of public awareness campaign to help new cyclists ensure they have their bases covered on basic road safety. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 16, 2020 10:57:08 GMT
The LTN’s in my area are not used by “boy racers”. Many have been put in place to encourage cycling rather than roads being victim of rat running. However traffic has been displaced onto other already busy and narrow roads, not equipped to handle the increased flow of traffic. LTNs appeared within weeks of announcement with zero consultation. Residents woke up to find their roads being blocked off. I’ve seen a council official counting something or another around the corner from my street. If they are even thinking about it, I will fiercely oppose any attempt to install an LTN in any of my surrounding roads. It’s a solution looking for a problem in many cases. Such is the unprecedented situation that we're in that there is no time for consultations and inevitably there is going to be an element of trial and error and I believe some have been subsequently removed. Why install them in such an unprecedented time. Surely wait until the pandemic is over when you can fully engage with the community. In such a difficult, the suck it and see approach of trial and error is severely mistimed. We need calm and organisation in our life, not complete chaos brought to our streets, that only exacerbates breathing issues. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 16, 2020 10:58:31 GMT
How do you oppose something that appears without warning. Where I am we have been fighting for 3 months to get them removed without success In Greenwich borough where I’m based, the plans for other LTN’s were announced online but not widely publicised. If I get a sniff that anything is planned in my street or surrounding access roads I will ensure all my neighbours are alerted and have a template objection text to submit to the council. Also has anyone else observed a number of people cycling about at sunset/night with no lights, reflectors or helmet? These people have a death wish. I nearly pulled out in front of one a few weeks ago - absolutely crazy. There should be some kind of public awareness campaign to help new cyclists ensure they have their bases covered on basic road safety. But they don't have to consult on these, the powers in the act mean you have no say. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 11:01:31 GMT
Such is the unprecedented situation that we're in that there is no time for consultations and inevitably there is going to be an element of trial and error and I believe some have been subsequently removed. Why install them in such an unprecedented time. Surely wait until the pandemic is over when you can fully engage with the community. In such a difficult, the suck it and see approach of trial and error is severely mistimed. We need calm and organisation in our life, not complete chaos brought to our streets, that only exacerbates breathing issues. The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 16, 2020 11:05:53 GMT
These cycle lanes seem to have caused far more damage than good by this point.
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 16, 2020 11:08:27 GMT
These cycle lanes seem to have caused far more damage than good by this point. Jeremy Clarkson posted something about this on his Instagram. Safe to say he wasn't impressed! https://www.instagram.com/p/CGX3YCuH8Ew He even called for Mayor Khan to resign in a subsequent post!! |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 11:17:47 GMT
These cycle lanes seem to have caused far more damage than good by this point. Jeremy Clarkson posted something about this on his Instagram. Safe to say he wasn't impressed! https://www.instagram.com/p/CGX3YCuH8Ew He even called for Mayor Khan to resign in a subsequent post!! I'd hardly expect an impartial analysis from Jeremy Clarkson......... with capacity on public transport limited for the foreseeable future is it really unreasonable to take steps to make walking and cycling safer? Obviously it's not been without its problems but in the current situation we're going to have to put up with some inconvenience. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 16, 2020 11:21:12 GMT
Why install them in such an unprecedented time. Surely wait until the pandemic is over when you can fully engage with the community. In such a difficult, the suck it and see approach of trial and error is severely mistimed. We need calm and organisation in our life, not complete chaos brought to our streets, that only exacerbates breathing issues. The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. They have installed these on quiet residential roads where social distancing is not an issue. Funnily enough where social distancing is an issue, there are no such measures, and you have to breathe in pollution from all the static traffic the LTNs have funnelled that way. If they could not see that coming, they are in no position to manage the collapsing of a cardboard box, let alone run councils. It is a lose/lose situation for communities and peoples health. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 16, 2020 11:23:54 GMT
Morning all I would like to say this. In regards to the ULEZ Extension next year it's going to seriously cripple a lot of people financially. Some people have already lost their jobs and now with the potential plan of extending the congestion charge to the NCR and SCR will cause mayhem to many communities. I get why they initially wanted to do this from the environment point of view but lately I feel as though this is just another Cash-Cow opportunity presented towards us. As easlondoner62 rightly said before about potential businesses going bust if this move of the congestion charge was to go ahead. With the current prices it would work out like this. If you have to travel within that zone 5 days a week and your car is not Ulez compliant. You are paying 135 a week just to get into the zone and that's not even including parking or fuel which would come up to over 500 pounds a month. Going back to the LTN i'm glad some boroughs opposed this and rightly so because restricting cars down one path will cause issues on other parts and as I said a while back God forbid someone was in an ambulance and they needed to get to a hospital and they couldn't go through because that road was closed. That is madness. Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry with this stuff and the fact that Crossrail hadn't opened in the time they said it would had put his credibility in doubt. Sorry but don't think anyone will realistically pay the daily ULEZ charge unless seriously got money to burn, most cars from 2006 / 2007 are compliant and would work out cheaper to buy a old banger than pay the daily charge. If the congestion charge is extended I assume residents will receive 90% discount? I can't see this going ahead, can see a huge backlash and this will give people no option but to use public transport which we being told to avoid. That's petrol cars that are compliant around 2006 and 2007 not diesel cars. They need to be euro 6 to meet the standards. Knowing this government I doubt they would bring in the discounts. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 16, 2020 11:47:32 GMT
Jeremy Clarkson posted something about this on his Instagram. Safe to say he wasn't impressed! https://www.instagram.com/p/CGX3YCuH8Ew He even called for Mayor Khan to resign in a subsequent post!! I'd hardly expect an impartial analysis from Jeremy Clarkson......... with capacity on public transport limited for the foreseeable future is it really unreasonable to take steps to make walking and cycling safer? Obviously it's not been without its problems but in the current situation we're going to have to put up with some inconvenience. A bus getting stuck on the road and all those bollards needing to be pulled up from the road is just an inconvenience? You can't fix something that isn't broke, and then when it is broken now call it an inconvenience people have to deal with. |
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