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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2020 11:56:01 GMT
The X68 and 521 reinstatements were in readiness for "The Great Return To The Office" that was mandated for the beginning of September then revoked three weeks later, having largely been ignored anyway. I think it was only ever going to be a trickle back to the office at most rather than a surge. Actually there would of been a decent number of people returning - as always, it depends on people's situations but certainly it wasn't going to be a trickle even it also wasn't going to be a surge either |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2020 11:58:29 GMT
It’s a good point, people would be literally up in arms of the congestion zone is expanded further. There is already significant opposition to these LTNs and this will seriously frustrate people! I can't see any serious opposition against it to be honest. People just moan and take it. The only serious voice against changes is from the cycling community. All these LTN's, LEZ's etc are just examples of people taking everything dished out. If it were Paris, they would be rioting at many of the changes we have gone through in London over the years. I was actually shocked that there was a protest in Hackney at the town hall over the LTN's, but to me its a one off and hasn't gone far enough. It doesn't solve anything and is merely a stealth 'backdoor' tax.
There has been numerous protests in Lambeth towards LTN's and I've read stories of similar in other boroughs. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 12:01:05 GMT
I'd hardly expect an impartial analysis from Jeremy Clarkson......... with capacity on public transport limited for the foreseeable future is it really unreasonable to take steps to make walking and cycling safer? Obviously it's not been without its problems but in the current situation we're going to have to put up with some inconvenience. A bus getting stuck on the road and all those bollards needing to be pulled up from the road is just an inconvenience? You can't fix something that isn't broke, and then when it is broken now call it an inconvenience people have to deal with. That's one incident and we don't know the full story behind it. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 16, 2020 12:05:03 GMT
A bus getting stuck on the road and all those bollards needing to be pulled up from the road is just an inconvenience? You can't fix something that isn't broke, and then when it is broken now call it an inconvenience people have to deal with. That's one incident and we don't know the full story behind it. How can there be a full story behind it? The bus tried to make a turn but those bollards were in the way. Did you expect the driver to have access to a magic spell book and shorten the bus or something? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2020 12:06:27 GMT
Why install them in such an unprecedented time. Surely wait until the pandemic is over when you can fully engage with the community. In such a difficult, the suck it and see approach of trial and error is severely mistimed. We need calm and organisation in our life, not complete chaos brought to our streets, that only exacerbates breathing issues. The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. No it isn't and as has been pointed out to you several times not by the above posts but by posts made when LTN's were first installed, the actual reasoning given for installing LTN's is to reduce rat running, pollution & encourage cycling yet what actually happens is it divides communities, doesn't really encourage cycling, moves congestion & pollution to other roads affecting buses using main roads & increases the time emergency service vehicles take on a call out as what has happened with the Oval LTN where the fire brigade put a complaint in. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2020 12:08:15 GMT
That's one incident and we don't know the full story behind it. How can there be a full story behind it? The bus tried to make a turn but those bollards were in the way. Did you expect the driver to have access to a magic spell book and shorten the bus or something? Whatever the rights and wrongs it was one incident, it doesn't mean the whole lot have to be binned as you seem to be suggesting. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 16, 2020 12:09:34 GMT
The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. No it isn't and as has been pointed out to you several times not by the above posts but by posts made when LTN's were first installed, the actual reasoning given for installing LTN's is to reduce rat running, pollution & encourage cycling yet what actually happens is it divides communities, doesn't really encourage cycling, moves congestion & pollution to other roads affecting buses using main roads & increases the time emergency service vehicles take on a call out as what has happened with the Oval LTN where the fire brigade put a complaint in. A couple of weeks ago when two elderly people were sadly knocked down at Gants Hill, the queues and tailbacks were horrendous reaching all sorts of places because of all the LTNs in the area meaning people couldn't divert using other roads. It's pathetic, we all know that congestion is an issue to be tackled and we want to get people out of cars when possible but LTNs are the absolute worst way of going about it. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2020 12:13:22 GMT
A bus getting stuck on the road and all those bollards needing to be pulled up from the road is just an inconvenience? You can't fix something that isn't broke, and then when it is broken now call it an inconvenience people have to deal with. That's one incident and we don't know the full story behind it. Seriously can you just stop being the forum's resident troll and actually listen to people before replying - you can clearly see where the bus has turned, someone installed a similar bollard to those on London Road in a silly place which as result has left the bus trying to get through a gap that is seemingly impossible. The irony of all this is that cycling has not increased massively in London despite the lockdown and subsequent measures that followed - there has been an increase but it's very moderate at best, if anything more people have turned to the illegal scooters. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 12:25:03 GMT
That's one incident and we don't know the full story behind it. Seriously can you just stop being the forum's resident troll and actually listen to people before replying - you can clearly see where the bus has turned, someone installed a similar bollard to those on London Road in a silly place which as result has left the bus trying to get through a gap that is seemingly impossible. The irony of all this is that cycling has not increased massively in London despite the lockdown and subsequent measures that followed - there has been an increase but it's very moderate at best, if anything more people have turned to the illegal scooters. They are all over the roads around Sutton and they are causing huge tailbacks. Honestly took me twenty minutes to get from the holiday inn by the civic office to the bus stop outside the civic office last week and this was at 4pm. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2020 12:26:32 GMT
Seriously can you just stop being the forum's resident troll and actually listen to people before replying - you can clearly see where the bus has turned, someone installed a similar bollard to those on London Road in a silly place which as result has left the bus trying to get through a gap that is seemingly impossible. The irony of all this is that cycling has not increased massively in London despite the lockdown and subsequent measures that followed - there has been an increase but it's very moderate at best, if anything more people have turned to the illegal scooters. They are all over the roads around Sutton and they are causing huge tailbacks. Honestly took me twenty minutes to get from the holiday inn by the civic office to the bus stop outside the civic office last week and this was at 4pm. And I'm guessing likely you rarely see many using the lanes? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 12:28:41 GMT
They are all over the roads around Sutton and they are causing huge tailbacks. Honestly took me twenty minutes to get from the holiday inn by the civic office to the bus stop outside the civic office last week and this was at 4pm. And I'm guessing likely you rarely see many using the lanes? Rarely, it’s a fact in Sutton that the population is older and there aren’t many cyclists here as it is slightly too far to comfortably cycle into central London for most. Also most of the cyclists tend to be teenagers and the very young and they prefer to stick to the high street or pavements. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 16, 2020 12:31:48 GMT
The main purpose is to enable safe social distancing. No it isn't and as has been pointed out to you several times not by the above posts but by posts made when LTN's were first installed, the actual reasoning given for installing LTN's is to reduce rat running, pollution & encourage cycling yet what actually happens is it divides communities, doesn't really encourage cycling, moves congestion & pollution to other roads affecting buses using main roads & increases the time emergency service vehicles take on a call out as what has happened with the Oval LTN where the fire brigade put a complaint in. Croydon was originally justified as COVID control measures, indeed many still have COVID signs on them. However when the virus was suppressed they changed their stance. |
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Post by richard on Oct 16, 2020 15:16:17 GMT
The congestion charge will extend to the Noth and South circular
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Post by M1104 on Oct 16, 2020 15:22:10 GMT
These cycle lanes seem to have caused far more damage than good by this point. The bus appears to be coming out of Wrights Lane junction with Kensington High Street which is legally a left turn only. |
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 16, 2020 16:33:18 GMT
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