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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 14, 2021 6:48:39 GMT
It might feel like that to you, but it does not for everyone. Let people enjoy a little break over Xmas. Imagine many need it after the 2 years we would have just had. Think the view that others should foresake their Xmas for the sake of fulfilling the needs of those who are not working is incredibly selfish. Why are they not working when they don't want to do Xmassy thing over Xmas? These should be the very people working, not complaining! Well it all comes down to supply and demand, if nobody wanted to go shopping Boxing Day then obviously nothing would be open. The same arguments were made about Sunday trading years ago but it's very much the norm nowadays. There seems to be this idyllic notion of everyone sitting at home playing happy families but for many people the reality is quite different and Boxing Day is probably the worst day of the year for domestic violence incidents as the stress of it all becomes too much for some people. Theres no concrete evidence as to what causes the Boxing Day spike and its quite short sighted to make any assumption like that at all. You can't compare Sunday trading and Christmas. The law still gives people the right to get a Sunday off without reason, and companies combat this by Sunday only contracts. You can't really hire people just for one day a single year on mass.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2021 6:56:45 GMT
Well it all comes down to supply and demand, if nobody wanted to go shopping Boxing Day then obviously nothing would be open. The same arguments were made about Sunday trading years ago but it's very much the norm nowadays. There seems to be this idyllic notion of everyone sitting at home playing happy families but for many people the reality is quite different and Boxing Day is probably the worst day of the year for domestic violence incidents as the stress of it all becomes too much for some people. Theres no concrete evidence as to what causes the Boxing Day spike and its quite short sighted to make any assumption like that at all. You can't compare Sunday trading and Christmas. The law still gives people the right to get a Sunday off without reason, and companies combat this by Sunday only contracts. You can't really hire people just for one day a single year on mass. Of course it's not short sighted, it's pretty self explanatory.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 14, 2021 7:29:56 GMT
Theres no concrete evidence as to what causes the Boxing Day spike and its quite short sighted to make any assumption like that at all. You can't compare Sunday trading and Christmas. The law still gives people the right to get a Sunday off without reason, and companies combat this by Sunday only contracts. You can't really hire people just for one day a single year on mass. Of course it's not short sighted, it's pretty self explanatory. I find it funny that experts seem to not be able to pinpoint what exactly causes it but you in your infinite wisdom have come to this conclusion in a few minutes. Maybe you would love to tell your discovery to everyone who has suffered as a result of all this? Maybe if they had gone for a walk the day before then this abuse spike wouldn't have happened by your logic.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2021 7:43:33 GMT
Of course it's not short sighted, it's pretty self explanatory. I find it funny that experts seem to not be able to pinpoint what exactly causes it but you in your infinite wisdom have come to this conclusion in a few minutes. Maybe you would love to tell your discovery to everyone who has suffered as a result of all this? Maybe if they had gone for a walk the day before then this abuse spike wouldn't have happened by your logic. What experts? Ask police officers who attend such incidents..... stress of Christmas........ maybe didn't get the present they wanted........ alcohol consumption etc.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 14, 2021 8:03:07 GMT
Some people do, but if you need x number of staff for a skeleton service but not enough people voulenteer, do you cut what service you were planning to offer or make people work. If you advertise a service you cant deliver, you can imagine the chaos that would entail. When I started work, trying to get anytime off work as annual leave over Xmas and New Year was almost impossible as the junior. Is it still like that today? Question being thrown out there to those starting out on their working experience. A friend of mine used to work in security and they were never short of volunteers to work Christmas Day for an enhanced rate of pay. Boxing Day seems pretty much like a normal Sunday nowadays. You will always get staff who want to work overtime but this doesn't mean we suddenly open up everything Christmas and Boxing Day! Even with volunteers there probably wouldn't be enough staff to maintain a normal level of service if we are talking transport for example.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 14, 2021 8:12:10 GMT
I find it funny that experts seem to not be able to pinpoint what exactly causes it but you in your infinite wisdom have come to this conclusion in a few minutes. Maybe you would love to tell your discovery to everyone who has suffered as a result of all this? Maybe if they had gone for a walk the day before then this abuse spike wouldn't have happened by your logic. What experts? Ask police officers who attend such incidents..... stress of Christmas........ maybe didn't get the present they wanted........ alcohol consumption etc. I don't really like how domestic violence is being used to make a point about opening at Christmas time! There is spikes in violence at other times such as after major football matches or after pubs close! This is not a pleasant topic to be discussed so maybe best left now.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 14, 2021 8:18:24 GMT
It might feel like that to you, but it does not for everyone. Let people enjoy a little break over Xmas. Imagine many need it after the 2 years we would have just had. Think the view that others should foresake their Xmas for the sake of fulfilling the needs of those who are not working is incredibly selfish. Why are they not working when they don't want to do Xmassy thing over Xmas? These should be the very people working, not complaining! Well it all comes down to supply and demand, if nobody wanted to go shopping Boxing Day then obviously nothing would be open. The same arguments were made about Sunday trading years ago but it's very much the norm nowadays. There seems to be this idyllic notion of everyone sitting at home playing happy families but for many people the reality is quite different and Boxing Day is probably the worst day of the year for domestic violence incidents as the stress of it all becomes too much for some people. you are correct, it does come down to supply and demand, glad we agree on this. It is obvious many companies are deciding the demand is just not there to make it their worthwhile opening. Dont see who you can blame a few shops not being opening for a couple of days for what happens socially. You sure there is no connection to the copious amounts of alcohol purchased before Xmas and the consumed in a short period of time? And besides, the scenarios you quoted are from years when these shops did open!
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2021 8:49:15 GMT
Well it all comes down to supply and demand, if nobody wanted to go shopping Boxing Day then obviously nothing would be open. The same arguments were made about Sunday trading years ago but it's very much the norm nowadays. There seems to be this idyllic notion of everyone sitting at home playing happy families but for many people the reality is quite different and Boxing Day is probably the worst day of the year for domestic violence incidents as the stress of it all becomes too much for some people. you are correct, it does come down to supply and demand, glad we agree on this. It is obvious many companies are deciding the demand is just not there to make it their worthwhile opening. Dont see who you can blame a few shops not being opening for a couple of days for what happens socially. You sure there is no connection to the copious amounts of alcohol purchased before Xmas and the consumed in a short period of time? The point I was making is that if the demand wasn't there they wouldn't be open anyway, Sainsburys have decided not to open this year and other supermarkets may follow suit, whether it's a genuine goodwill gesture to staff or a cynical ploy is open to debate, either way staff in the various supply chains will be working. I doubt whether I'll be doing any shopping Christmas day or boxing day but it's clear to me that habits have changed over the years. It probably won't be long before Christmas advertising is appearing in shops and by the time it arrives many people are sick and tired of it all.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 14, 2021 9:29:18 GMT
you are correct, it does come down to supply and demand, glad we agree on this. It is obvious many companies are deciding the demand is just not there to make it their worthwhile opening. Dont see who you can blame a few shops not being opening for a couple of days for what happens socially. You sure there is no connection to the copious amounts of alcohol purchased before Xmas and the consumed in a short period of time? The point I was making is that if the demand wasn't there they wouldn't be open anyway, Sainsburys have decided not to open this year and other supermarkets may follow suit, whether it's a genuine goodwill gesture to staff or a cynical ploy is open to debate, either way staff in the various supply chains will be working. I doubt whether I'll be doing any shopping Christmas day or boxing day but it's clear to me that habits have changed over the years. It probably won't be long before Christmas advertising is appearing in shops and by the time it arrives many people are sick and tired of it all. Sainsbury's are already following suit, Home Bargains, Morrisons, Waitrose (both Waitrose and John Lewis), M&S have already confirmed they will not be opening boxing day
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2021 9:47:51 GMT
The point I was making is that if the demand wasn't there they wouldn't be open anyway, Sainsburys have decided not to open this year and other supermarkets may follow suit, whether it's a genuine goodwill gesture to staff or a cynical ploy is open to debate, either way staff in the various supply chains will be working. I doubt whether I'll be doing any shopping Christmas day or boxing day but it's clear to me that habits have changed over the years. It probably won't be long before Christmas advertising is appearing in shops and by the time it arrives many people are sick and tired of it all. Sainsbury's are already following suit, Home Bargains, Morrisons, Waitrose (both Waitrose and John Lewis), M&S have already confirmed they will not be opening boxing day Well it seems that Christmas now begins in mid September........... apparently The Range in Crawley have already got a Christmas tree up!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 11:12:07 GMT
Sainsbury's are already following suit, Home Bargains, Morrisons, Waitrose (both Waitrose and John Lewis), M&S have already confirmed they will not be opening boxing day Well it seems that Christmas now begins in mid September........... apparently The Range in Crawley have already got a Christmas tree up! Because the summer holidays are over and some would perceive that there's nothing else to look forward to as we approach winter. Halloween and Bonfire Night would be of limited significance, so businesses like to focus on Christmas because it is a much busier holiday period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 11:12:48 GMT
The point I was making is that if the demand wasn't there they wouldn't be open anyway, Sainsburys have decided not to open this year and other supermarkets may follow suit, whether it's a genuine goodwill gesture to staff or a cynical ploy is open to debate, either way staff in the various supply chains will be working. I doubt whether I'll be doing any shopping Christmas day or boxing day but it's clear to me that habits have changed over the years. It probably won't be long before Christmas advertising is appearing in shops and by the time it arrives many people are sick and tired of it all. Sainsbury's are already following suit, Home Bargains, Morrisons, Waitrose (both Waitrose and John Lewis), M&S have already confirmed they will not be opening boxing day It does fall on a Sunday though, so trading hours will be less so I wonder if this is the reason why they're not opening on Boxing day Anyway Waitrose hasn't opened on Boxing Day for years IIRC, as well as New Year's day and Easter Sunday.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2021 11:21:26 GMT
Sainsbury's are already following suit, Home Bargains, Morrisons, Waitrose (both Waitrose and John Lewis), M&S have already confirmed they will not be opening boxing day It does fall on a Sunday though, so trading hours will be less so I wonder if this is the reason why they're not opening on Boxing day Anyway Waitrose hasn't opened on Boxing Day for years IIRC, as well as New Year's day and Easter Sunday. Possibly although wouldn't Boxing Day opening hours be similar to Sunday opening hours whatever day it fell on?
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2021 11:23:39 GMT
Well it seems that Christmas now begins in mid September........... apparently The Range in Crawley have already got a Christmas tree up! Because the summer holidays are over and some would perceive that there's nothing else to look forward to as we approach winter. Halloween and Bonfire Night would be of limited significance, so businesses like to focus on Christmas because it is a much busier holiday period. And of course when little children see it they think it's Christmas next week, try explaining to them that it's over three months away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 11:34:39 GMT
It does fall on a Sunday though, so trading hours will be less so I wonder if this is the reason why they're not opening on Boxing day Anyway Waitrose hasn't opened on Boxing Day for years IIRC, as well as New Year's day and Easter Sunday. Possibly although wouldn't Boxing Day opening hours be similar to Sunday opening hours whatever day it fell on? yeah probably
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