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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 3, 2021 10:36:34 GMT
Always wondered why buses adopted the CH garage code so early before the garage was even built. I always remember being so curious to the CH code on the 147 Titans! This was around 1993 before the Internet was mainstream or I had things like TLB to find out such information. It wouldn't have taken long to build. It would have been open air parking with minimal buildings on the site. Anyone got any pictures of the plans or artists impressions.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 3, 2021 11:23:42 GMT
Always wondered why buses adopted the CH garage code so early before the garage was even built. I always remember being so curious to the CH code on the 147 Titans! This was around 1993 before the Internet was mainstream or I had things like TLB to find out such information. I remember that, it seemed foolishly premature and then wondered why the 86 was [CH] and never ever saw them go into Barking garage which was also [CH]. Just looking at the 147 history at londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/147.html it appears when [AP] closed in 1993 Ilford changes the Sunday allocation went to [BK] then in the late 1993 Newham changes when [WH] closed the 147 went to [BK] o Mon-Sat I remember then a lot of 147's and 150's running light for crew changes to [BK] from Ilford. A pic on the website of T564 confirms that the [CH] code stayed still after privitisation. I think it went back to [BK] and [NS] codes in 1996 I'm trying to remember why the Sunday allocation of the 147 moved to BK during August 2000. The 115 had already been introduced on Sunday's by that time so it wasn't that the buses were needed on other routes.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 3, 2021 15:23:59 GMT
I remember that, it seemed foolishly premature and then wondered why the 86 was [CH] and never ever saw them go into Barking garage which was also [CH]. Just looking at the 147 history at londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/147.html it appears when [AP] closed in 1993 Ilford changes the Sunday allocation went to [BK] then in the late 1993 Newham changes when [WH] closed the 147 went to [BK] o Mon-Sat I remember then a lot of 147's and 150's running light for crew changes to [BK] from Ilford. A pic on the website of T564 confirms that the [CH] code stayed still after privitisation. I think it went back to [BK] and [NS] codes in 1996 I'm trying to remember why the Sunday allocation of the 147 moved to BK during August 2000. The 115 had already been introduced on Sunday's by that time so it wasn't that the buses were needed on other routes. I think the 147s (and possibly 238) vehicles were used oh the 15 which was OPO on Sundays. I'm sure I remember BK operating the 147 with Darts at the weekend
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Post by WH241 on Nov 3, 2021 15:57:48 GMT
I'm trying to remember why the Sunday allocation of the 147 moved to BK during August 2000. The 115 had already been introduced on Sunday's by that time so it wasn't that the buses were needed on other routes. I think the 147s (and possibly 238) vehicles were used oh the 15 which was OPO on Sundays. I'm sure I remember BK operating the 147 with Darts at the weekend Indeed the 15 was OPO and the 115 also ran Sundays but for a time the 147 was also ran from U around 2000 but maybe was using step entrance Scanias. Was just trying to work what changed for the few months it went to BK and how U managed when it moved back. BK used ALX 200s for a short time the Titans were withdrawn these buses couldn't really cope with the loads and the route moved back to U using double deckers.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 4, 2021 17:46:53 GMT
Wonder if anyone can help with a historic question regarding routes 104 and 238.
Both routes converted to single deckers in the year 2000 but was trying to remember what double deckers they routes were allocated on paper? I know step entrance Scanias left U in early 2000 so wondering if it was these? This also links into my question yesterday about the 147 Sunday allocation as I can't work out the numbers that U could have OPO buses available for the 15,115,147 and 330 between May 1999 and August 2000 when the Sunday 147 allocation moved to BK. I wonder if the dates are wrong on www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/147.html
I know the 330 had to move to BW on Sundays when the 147 came back to U on Sundays in 2001 so allocations must have been tight.
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Post by LT 20181 on Nov 4, 2021 23:09:40 GMT
A number of E400 EVs destined for Stagecoach have been used at the COP26 summit in Glasgow to escort delegates. A nice sight, in my opinion. youtu.be/5sab0av9IK8
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Post by redexpress on Nov 5, 2021 21:14:27 GMT
Wonder if anyone can help with a historic question regarding routes 104 and 238.
Both routes converted to single deckers in the year 2000 but was trying to remember what double deckers they routes were allocated on paper? I know step entrance Scanias left U in early 2000 so wondering if it was these? This also links into my question yesterday about the 147 Sunday allocation as I can't work out the numbers that U could have OPO buses available for the 15,115,147 and 330 between May 1999 and August 2000 when the Sunday 147 allocation moved to BK. I wonder if the dates are wrong on www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/147.html
I know the 330 had to move to BW on Sundays when the 147 came back to U on Sundays in 2001 so allocations must have been tight.
104 and 238 were allocated Scanias at that point. 104 had been using Scanias since 1995 while 238 was converted to Scania when it moved from BK to U in 1999.
Looks like there is an error on londonbuses.co.uk. I have the Sunday 147 moving back to BK on 19/09/1999, i.e. at the same time as the 15B became the 115 and gained a Sunday service. Between May 1999 and Sept 1999 U would have had just about enough OPO DDs to cover the Sunday requirement, although it would have been tight once the 262 and 473 left for BW in June 1999.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 6, 2021 9:41:43 GMT
This is the 3rd stint for Stagecoach in London. Firstly, they bought East Midland, owners of Frontrunner South East who ran routes 248 & 252 in 1989, but quickly sold this operation on to Ensign Bus, later Capital Citybus. Secondly, they bought LBL East London & Selkent in 1994 then sold it to Macquarie in 2006. Thirdly, they bought this operation back from Macquarie in 2010.
Given that they do now operate routes 248 & 252, they may as well have hung onto it in 1989! It was of course non-standard at the time.
National Express have similarly dipped in and out of London. They had routes 211 & C1 in 1998-2000 prior to selling it to Limebourne. They reacquired this after acquiring Connex London in 2004. Then they sold this and their subsequent TGM acquisition onto Abellio in 2009.
I'm sure they ran route H30 through their Airlinks subsidiary but my recollection of dates, divestment and/or withdrawal is less clear.
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Post by redexpress on Nov 6, 2021 22:04:20 GMT
This is the 3rd stint for Stagecoach in London. Firstly, they bought East Midland, owners of Frontrunner South East who ran routes 248 & 252 in 1989, but quickly sold this operation on to Ensign Bus, later Capital Citybus. Secondly, they bought LBL East London & Selkent in 1994 then sold it to Macquarie in 2006. Thirdly, they bought this operation back from Macquarie in 2010. Given that they do now operate routes 248 & 252, they may as well have hung onto it in 1989! It was of course non-standard at the time. National Express have similarly dipped in and out of London. They had routes 211 & C1 in 1998-2000 prior to selling it to Limebourne. They reacquired this after acquiring Connex London in 2004. Then they sold this and their subsequent TGM acquisition onto Abellio in 2009. I'm sure they ran route H30 through their Airlinks subsidiary but my recollection of dates, divestment and/or withdrawal is less clear. Yes National Express operated route H30 via its Speedlink subsidiary (which later became Airlinks). The route was in operation between Nov 1998 and May 2004, so it started while the first incarnation of Travel London was in operation, and ended shortly after the second incarnation of Travel London had started. In other words NatEx had a continuous presence on London bus work between 1998 and 2009.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 7, 2021 11:29:07 GMT
This is the 3rd stint for Stagecoach in London. Firstly, they bought East Midland, owners of Frontrunner South East who ran routes 248 & 252 in 1989, but quickly sold this operation on to Ensign Bus, later Capital Citybus. Secondly, they bought LBL East London & Selkent in 1994 then sold it to Macquarie in 2006. Thirdly, they bought this operation back from Macquarie in 2010. Given that they do now operate routes 248 & 252, they may as well have hung onto it in 1989! It was of course non-standard at the time. National Express have similarly dipped in and out of London. They had routes 211 & C1 in 1998-2000 prior to selling it to Limebourne. They reacquired this after acquiring Connex London in 2004. Then they sold this and their subsequent TGM acquisition onto Abellio in 2009. I'm sure they ran route H30 through their Airlinks subsidiary but my recollection of dates, divestment and/or withdrawal is less clear. Yes National Express operated route H30 via its Speedlink subsidiary (which later became Airlinks). The route was in operation between Nov 1998 and May 2004, so it started while the first incarnation of Travel London was in operation, and ended shortly after the second incarnation of Travel London had started. In other words NatEx had a continuous presence on London bus work between 1998 and 2009. Thank you for clarifying this. Although there are rumours of Stagecoach attracting a rival bid from a private equity group, Stagecoach would seem more secure as a single unit with National Express than a private equity group who might be more likely to break it up. www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/share-investing/article-10148109/STOCKS-WATCH-Predator-circling-Stagecoach-trains-group.html
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 8, 2021 13:06:22 GMT
Yes National Express operated route H30 via its Speedlink subsidiary (which later became Airlinks). The route was in operation between Nov 1998 and May 2004, so it started while the first incarnation of Travel London was in operation, and ended shortly after the second incarnation of Travel London had started. In other words NatEx had a continuous presence on London bus work between 1998 and 2009. Thank you for clarifying this. Although there are rumours of Stagecoach attracting a rival bid from a private equity group, Stagecoach would seem more secure as a single unit with National Express than a private equity group who might be more likely to break it up. www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/share-investing/article-10148109/STOCKS-WATCH-Predator-circling-Stagecoach-trains-group.htmlI really hope it is with National Express, private equity groups are a major disaster for bus companies and always ends up with the company being run down.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 8, 2021 13:27:38 GMT
I really hope it is with National Express, private equity groups are a major disaster for bus companies and always ends up with the company being run down. Private Equity companies are dedicated are set up to make a profit, so should not runs any company down. They want to make a profit when they come to sell it. Normally best way to do that is make the company more successful.
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 8, 2021 13:39:59 GMT
I really hope it is with National Express, private equity groups are a major disaster for bus companies and always ends up with the company being run down. Private Equity companies are dedicated are set up to make a profit, so should not runs any company down. They want to make a profit when they come to sell it. Normally best way to do that is make the company more successful. However it is well noted that transport companies in the UK with rail franchises are targets for takeovers. Whilst this no longer directly affects Stagecoach they could still be a targeted because are still eligible to bid for future franchises. At the moment rail franchises in the UK are seen as steady income now the UK government is paying a fixed management fee regardless of network performance. If, and I’m not suggesting it would, Arriva for example were to be sold today by DB rather than floated it would fetch a much higher price with the UK rail franchises attached because of the fixed management fees creating steady incomes in the next immediate 6-18 months.
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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 8, 2021 15:39:30 GMT
14149 has an older style "via" blind on the side. Shouldn't blinds now be showing the route number and destination on there?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 8, 2021 17:48:12 GMT
I really hope it is with National Express, private equity groups are a major disaster for bus companies and always ends up with the company being run down. Private Equity companies are dedicated are set up to make a profit, so should not runs any company down. They want to make a profit when they come to sell it. Normally best way to do that is make the company more successful. I agree, but it seems they fail miserably on the buses. ELBG is a perfect example of how to make it go wrong.
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