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Post by busoccultation on Jul 11, 2024 11:16:28 GMT
Very likely to be SL3 I think as you said (PVR 15), don’t think they’d order order 1 spare for the 257 (PVR 16) So glad these are coming to London, can’t WAIT to see these!! If these go to the SL3 it’ll be a MASSIVE upgrade to the LTs. We’ve just got to wait and see now if the reason why we’ve heard nothing about the 151 and 473 is because there’s a hidden order of these for those routes! Yes the SL3 would make sense, and perhaps Stagecoach will order more for the 169/247/287 too? I wonder if Stagecoach will now standardise with ADL EVs, or continue to order BZLs etc alongside? Also now it's confirmed that the integral ADL EVs are available to TFL spec, could we see some more orders from other operators? I think Stagecoach will still order buses from other manufacturers alongside ADL as they have just ordered another 158 Yutongs for Stagecoach outside of London recently alongside the next gen ADL electrics as well. |
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Post by TB123 on Jul 11, 2024 11:25:06 GMT
Yes the SL3 would make sense, and perhaps Stagecoach will order more for the 169/247/287 too? I wonder if Stagecoach will now standardise with ADL EVs, or continue to order BZLs etc alongside? Also now it's confirmed that the integral ADL EVs are available to TFL spec, could we see some more orders from other operators? I think Stagecoach will still order buses from other manufacturers alongside ADL as they have just ordered another 158 Yutongs for Stagecoach outside of London recently alongside the next gen ADL electrics as well. It's a shame we've not had any TfL orders for Yutong yet. I really like their products |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 11, 2024 11:33:16 GMT
Yes the SL3 would make sense, and perhaps Stagecoach will order more for the 169/247/287 too? I wonder if Stagecoach will now standardise with ADL EVs, or continue to order BZLs etc alongside? Also now it's confirmed that the integral ADL EVs are available to TFL spec, could we see some more orders from other operators? I think Stagecoach will still order buses from other manufacturers alongside ADL as they have just ordered another 158 Yutongs for Stagecoach outside of London recently alongside the next gen ADL electrics as well. I think they’re going for cost tbh, whoever they can get them cheapest from in decent-ish time they’ll go for. I’m expecting to see quite a few new E400EVs from Stagecoach London though due to the deal they’ve just announced with ADL for 400 vehicles, I’d imagine a significant number could be for London But the variation of definitely a good thing. It’s definitely a crazy role reversal between Stagecoach and GAL. 10-20 years ago Stagecoach were ‘ADL spamming’ with pretty much everything, with GAL were ordering from all over the place. Now in 2024 it’s GAL ordering exclusively from ADL/BYD and Stagecoach ordering from here there and everywhere! |
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Post by TB123 on Jul 11, 2024 11:44:18 GMT
I think Stagecoach will still order buses from other manufacturers alongside ADL as they have just ordered another 158 Yutongs for Stagecoach outside of London recently alongside the next gen ADL electrics as well. I think they’re going for cost tbh, whoever they can get them cheapest from in decent-ish time they’ll go for. I’m expecting to see quite a few new E400EVs from Stagecoach London though due to the deal they’ve just announced with ADL for 400 vehicles, I’d imagine a significant number could be for London But the variation of definitely a good thing. It’s definitely a crazy role reversal between Stagecoach and GAL. 10-20 years ago Stagecoach were ‘ADL spamming’ with pretty much everything, with GAL were ordering from all over the place. Now in 2024 it’s GAL ordering exclusively from ADL/BYD and Stagecoach ordering from here there and everywhere! It's 244 ADL EVs and 158 Yutong EVs. All are ordered according to specific funding streams, the 41 ADL EVs are a separate order and funding stream being for TfL contracts. All of the ADLs are from ZEBRA2 bids as are most of the Yutongs, some of the Yutongs are funded via "all-electric city Coventry", levelling up (remember that..) funding or in the case of a small order for Preston, a commercial partner. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2024 11:47:38 GMT
A shame it’s not more Metrocitys but it is what it is |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 11, 2024 11:58:33 GMT
I think Stagecoach will still order buses from other manufacturers alongside ADL as they have just ordered another 158 Yutongs for Stagecoach outside of London recently alongside the next gen ADL electrics as well. I think they’re going for cost tbh, whoever they can get them cheapest from in decent-ish time they’ll go for. I’m expecting to see quite a few new E400EVs from Stagecoach London though due to the deal they’ve just announced with ADL for 400 vehicles, I’d imagine a significant number could be for London But the variation of definitely a good thing. It’s definitely a crazy role reversal between Stagecoach and GAL. 10-20 years ago Stagecoach were ‘ADL spamming’ with pretty much everything, with GAL were ordering from all over the place. Now in 2024 it’s GAL ordering exclusively from ADL/BYD and Stagecoach ordering from here there and everywhere! The E100EV and E400EV were announced earlier than the E200EV, so it could just be that the E200EV isn't available to order yet, and so Stagecoach have gone for Yutongs instead for their longer SDs? |
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Post by cl54 on Jul 11, 2024 12:10:10 GMT
Before the first London-specification demonstrators of the next-generation electric buses have even hit the road, orders are in place!
Stagecoach will receive 24 Enviro100EV and 17 Enviro400EV in early 2025 for TfL routes.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 11, 2024 12:51:05 GMT
Before the first London-specification demonstrators of the next-generation electric buses have even hit the road, orders are in place! Stagecoach will receive 24 Enviro100EV and 17 Enviro400EV in early 2025 for TfL routes. May want to read last eleven posts |
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 11, 2024 13:11:15 GMT
I think they’re going for cost tbh, whoever they can get them cheapest from in decent-ish time they’ll go for. I’m expecting to see quite a few new E400EVs from Stagecoach London though due to the deal they’ve just announced with ADL for 400 vehicles, I’d imagine a significant number could be for London But the variation of definitely a good thing. It’s definitely a crazy role reversal between Stagecoach and GAL. 10-20 years ago Stagecoach were ‘ADL spamming’ with pretty much everything, with GAL were ordering from all over the place. Now in 2024 it’s GAL ordering exclusively from ADL/BYD and Stagecoach ordering from here there and everywhere! The E100EV and E400EV were announced earlier than the E200EV, so it could just be that the E200EV isn't available to order yet, and so Stagecoach have gone for Yutongs instead for their longer SDs? Stagecoach have 54 E200EV integrals on order on 10.9m and 11.7m lengths alongside the recent E100EV/E400EV orders www.route-one.net/news/adl-announces-order-of-244-buses-from-stagecoach/ |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 11, 2024 14:33:40 GMT
The W12 situation is very mysterious. For it to be tendered at 8.5m is odd, and then for it to be allowed temporary use of up to 9.7 is odd. Suspect that there will be alot of reversing/curb riding if anything like 9.7 gets on it unless the 309 solos come back. What buses are available to use until early 2025?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2024 15:03:54 GMT
The W12 situation is very mysterious. For it to be tendered at 8.5m is odd, and then for it to be allowed temporary use of up to 9.7 is odd. Suspect that there will be alot of reversing/curb riding if anything like 9.7 gets on it unless the 309 solos come back. What buses are available to use until early 2025? Given it's been granted a temporary use of 9.7m, that implies to me that the new W12 routing has been tested and has passed as surely, kerb riding to get around a section would grant a failure in any route test? Now if I'm right about that, then it's merely a case of TfL not going for the longer length when specifying length of vehicle for the route, something it has been guilty of on multiple occasions for other routes. |
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Post by andyc on Jul 11, 2024 15:41:23 GMT
The W12 situation is very mysterious. For it to be tendered at 8.5m is odd, and then for it to be allowed temporary use of up to 9.7 is odd. Suspect that there will be alot of reversing/curb riding if anything like 9.7 gets on it unless the 309 solos come back. What buses are available to use until early 2025? Given it's been granted a temporary use of 9.7m, that implies to me that the new W12 routing has been tested and has passed as surely, kerb riding to get around a section would grant a failure in any route test? Now if I'm right about that, then it's merely a case of TfL not going for the longer length when specifying length of vehicle for the route, something it has been guilty of on multiple occasions for other routes. It has been approved post award for 9.7m in order that we can provide the additional PVR on the route from within our current fleet. The W19 will receive 10.2m to allow some of the 9.7m to go on W12 to supplement the former 339 buses… |
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Post by cl54 on Jul 11, 2024 19:06:45 GMT
Before the first London-specification demonstrators of the next-generation electric buses have even hit the road, orders are in place! Stagecoach will receive 24 Enviro100EV and 17 Enviro400EV in early 2025 for TfL routes. May want to read last eleven posts This was announced by ADL this morning and have nothing to do with the previous posts. |
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Post by ibus246 on Jul 11, 2024 21:23:18 GMT
The W12 situation is very mysterious. For it to be tendered at 8.5m is odd, and then for it to be allowed temporary use of up to 9.7 is odd. Suspect that there will be alot of reversing/curb riding if anything like 9.7 gets on it unless the 309 solos come back. What buses are available to use until early 2025? Given it's been granted a temporary use of 9.7m, that implies to me that the new W12 routing has been tested and has passed as surely, kerb riding to get around a section would grant a failure in any route test? Now if I'm right about that, then it's merely a case of TfL not going for the longer length when specifying length of vehicle for the route, something it has been guilty of on multiple occasions for other routes. Yes it’s a failure. Even if your back wheels brush the rear kerb it won’t be passed. |
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Post by yunus on Jul 11, 2024 22:05:20 GMT
The N86 has been running mostly with Diesel buses for the last few nights. I knew this would eventually happen but was not expecting it so soon!
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