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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 16, 2024 9:53:47 GMT
I would love to see a stagecoach bus travel along the Enfield borough again. Especially fully blinded, as we had a smart hybrid from BW cover one journey recently. Also love to see a city stray on to the 215 or 275 or even 55 Chances are your wish will be their command when the 616 moves over...unless of course, some ex HCT or Tower buses are shifted to T garage for the 616! The 616 was actually awarded to HCT on the basis of using existing E40H/Citys (with the 2 new BYDs going on the 20), so presumably the 616 will use 2 of the spare Citys from HK? |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 16, 2024 9:59:11 GMT
Chances are your wish will be their command when the 616 moves over...unless of course, some ex HCT or Tower buses are shifted to T garage for the 616! The 616 was actually awarded to HCT on the basis of using existing E40H/Citys (with the 2 new BYDs going on the 20), so presumably the 616 will use 2 of the spare Citys from HK? I have seen a few comments about the 616 but the official tender does state it was awarded with electrics. tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1814Obviously something has changed to allow conventional buses to be used moving forward. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 16, 2024 11:20:41 GMT
The 616 was actually awarded to HCT on the basis of using existing E40H/Citys (with the 2 new BYDs going on the 20), so presumably the 616 will use 2 of the spare Citys from HK? I have seen a few comments about the 616 but the official tender does state it was awarded with electrics. tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1814Obviously something has changed to allow conventional buses to be used moving forward. The above confirms that little attention was given to the tender notice. The day the 616 was awarded this information was in the foot notes. WH241 you are indeed correct. tangytango.proboards.com/post/576652/thread |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2024 12:10:47 GMT
I have seen a few comments about the 616 but the official tender does state it was awarded with electrics. tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1814Obviously something has changed to allow conventional buses to be used moving forward. The above confirms that little attention was given to the tender notice. The day the 616 was awarded this information was in the foot notes. WH241 you are indeed correct. tangytango.proboards.com/post/576652/threadThe two electrics were ordered for the 616 but to be used on the 20 as per the tender notice so ADH45258 isn’t that wrong by what he said. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 16, 2024 12:13:24 GMT
The two electrics were ordered for the 616 but to be used on the 20 as per the tender notice so ADH45258 isn’t that wrong by what he said. Indeed however the way WH241 put it is actually correct as it appears to be dismissed. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 16, 2024 12:57:15 GMT
The two electrics were ordered for the 616 but to be used on the 20 as per the tender notice so ADH45258 isn’t that wrong by what he said. Indeed however the way WH241 put it is actually correct as it appears to be dismissed. Indeed. It make me laugh on occasions here where people get so petty It about paper allocations until it’s used as a cheap shot to try and discredit a post. There clearly was some type of discussion regarding the 20 and 616 with HCT on the best use of the new electrics. Will be interesting to see what buses are used on the 616 as the 20 will need its full allocation back and the electrics won’t be available to use. I see another post saying there are spare Cities at HK but if this is the case why did Stagecoach send over full allocations for the 242 and D7 instead of using the spare Cities. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 16, 2024 13:11:15 GMT
Indeed however the way WH241 put it is actually correct as it appears to be dismissed. Indeed. It make me laugh on occasions here where people get so petty It about paper allocations until it’s used as a cheap shot to try and discredit a post. There clearly was some type of discussion regarding the 20 and 616 with HCT on the best use of the new electrics. Will be interesting to see what buses are used on the 616 as the 20 will need its full allocation back and the electrics won’t be available to use. I see another post saying there are spare Cities at HK but if this is the case why did Stagecoach send over full allocations for the 242 and D7 instead of using the spare Cities. HK seems to have a slight shortage of SDs, and the 2-3 spare ex-26/388 Citys are regularly used on the D6/W13. So in this case they would become spare again when the W13 moves to LI with new electrics (1 hybrid also being released from the W13D). The D6 when won by HCT, didn't have a full allocation of E200MMCs ordered for it, instead taking a small number from the W13's 17reg batch, with the W13 then using a small number of shorter 9.7m examples. But it seems all ex-HCT 9.7m are now needed to cover the 309/397/W16/W19. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 16, 2024 13:40:12 GMT
Indeed however the way WH241 put it is actually correct as it appears to be dismissed. Indeed. It make me laugh on occasions here where people get so petty It about paper allocations until it’s used as a cheap shot to try and discredit a post. There clearly was some type of discussion regarding the 20 and 616 with HCT on the best use of the new electrics. Will be interesting to see what buses are used on the 616 as the 20 will need its full allocation back and the electrics won’t be available to use. I see another post saying there are spare Cities at HK but if this is the case why did Stagecoach send over full allocations for the 242 and D7 instead of using the spare Cities. Perhaps this is where the surplus Enviro 400 MMC bodied E40Hs from the 277 come into place. It's already been mentioned that they will not be moving to LI for the 97, so they might put 2 of the spares on the 616. However, there was also a comment saying they are going to PD to release some B5LHs, then the 257's E40Hs are also available to be used. So yeah, I think the 616 will get E40H MMCs, and might use the electrics until their other vehicles, most likely being hybrids will be on the route! |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 16, 2024 14:26:52 GMT
Indeed. It make me laugh on occasions here where people get so petty It about paper allocations until it’s used as a cheap shot to try and discredit a post. There clearly was some type of discussion regarding the 20 and 616 with HCT on the best use of the new electrics. Will be interesting to see what buses are used on the 616 as the 20 will need its full allocation back and the electrics won’t be available to use. I see another post saying there are spare Cities at HK but if this is the case why did Stagecoach send over full allocations for the 242 and D7 instead of using the spare Cities. Perhaps this is where the surplus Enviro 400 MMC bodied E40Hs from the 277 come into place. It's already been mentioned that they will not be moving to LI for the 97, so they might put 2 of the spares on the 616. However, there was also a comment saying they are going to PD to release some B5LHs, then the 257's E40Hs are also available to be used. So yeah, I think the 616 will get E40H MMCs, and might use the electrics until their other vehicles, most likely being hybrids will be on the route! it's likely some will go to PD to release B5LHs to LI to complete the 97 TVR. There's a few ex-86 Enviro 400s floating around that could transfer in, the Enviros currently on the 97, or 19872/3 at LI, which are non-standard, that could transfer to T. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 16, 2024 15:58:56 GMT
Perhaps this is where the surplus Enviro 400 MMC bodied E40Hs from the 277 come into place. It's already been mentioned that they will not be moving to LI for the 97, so they might put 2 of the spares on the 616. However, there was also a comment saying they are going to PD to release some B5LHs, then the 257's E40Hs are also available to be used. So yeah, I think the 616 will get E40H MMCs, and might use the electrics until their other vehicles, most likely being hybrids will be on the route! it's likely some will go to PD to release B5LHs to LI to complete the 97 TVR. There's a few ex-86 Enviro 400s floating around that could transfer in, the Enviros currently on the 97, or 19872/3 at LI, which are non-standard, that could transfer to T. Or the Enviro 400Hs being released from the 180 could literally just go on the 616. The Enviro 400s aren't going to be needed that much longer, and could be withdrawn or sent away soon. |
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Post by Dad91 on Jul 16, 2024 16:59:43 GMT
it's likely some will go to PD to release B5LHs to LI to complete the 97 TVR. There's a few ex-86 Enviro 400s floating around that could transfer in, the Enviros currently on the 97, or 19872/3 at LI, which are non-standard, that could transfer to T. Or the Enviro 400Hs being released from the 180 could literally just go on the 616. The Enviro 400s aren't going to be needed that much longer, and could be withdrawn or sent away soon. lot E400mmc hybrids getting shuffled around. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2024 17:13:32 GMT
Indeed. It make me laugh on occasions here where people get so petty It about paper allocations until it’s used as a cheap shot to try and discredit a post. There clearly was some type of discussion regarding the 20 and 616 with HCT on the best use of the new electrics. Will be interesting to see what buses are used on the 616 as the 20 will need its full allocation back and the electrics won’t be available to use. I see another post saying there are spare Cities at HK but if this is the case why did Stagecoach send over full allocations for the 242 and D7 instead of using the spare Cities. HK seems to have a slight shortage of SDs, and the 2-3 spare ex-26/388 Citys are regularly used on the D6/W13. So in this case they would become spare again when the W13 moves to LI with new electrics (1 hybrid also being released from the W13D). The D6 when won by HCT, didn't have a full allocation of E200MMCs ordered for it, instead taking a small number from the W13's 17reg batch, with the W13 then using a small number of shorter 9.7m examples. But it seems all ex-HCT 9.7m are now needed to cover the 309/397/W16/W19. HK have long sent out deckers on the D6 even under CT Plus when they had sufficient numbers of single deckers so I wouldn't read too much into that regarding any potential shortage. It should be noted that HK has a rather young fleet of single deckers as a result of CT Plus victories between 2017 & 2018/2019 so I can't imagine shortages being too frequent apart from covering for the now departed 309 Solos. andyc confirmed that 2538 doesn't work the W13 school journey anymore with 10116 the official decker for it with that hybrid allocated to a different route at HK. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 16, 2024 17:21:31 GMT
I think it's safe to say that the 309 has fully converted to a full E200 MMC operation, with the occasional E200 working on it, but that's simply because buses go in and out from HK, but it has received its intended allocation and majority of the route is using the MMCs anyway.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 16, 2024 19:17:14 GMT
HK seems to have a slight shortage of SDs, and the 2-3 spare ex-26/388 Citys are regularly used on the D6/W13. So in this case they would become spare again when the W13 moves to LI with new electrics (1 hybrid also being released from the W13D). The D6 when won by HCT, didn't have a full allocation of E200MMCs ordered for it, instead taking a small number from the W13's 17reg batch, with the W13 then using a small number of shorter 9.7m examples. But it seems all ex-HCT 9.7m are now needed to cover the 309/397/W16/W19. HK have long sent out deckers on the D6 even under CT Plus when they had sufficient numbers of single deckers so I wouldn't read too much into that regarding any potential shortage. It should be noted that HK has a rather young fleet of single deckers as a result of CT Plus victories between 2017 & 2018/2019 so I can't imagine shortages being too frequent apart from covering for the now departed 309 Solos. andyc confirmed that 2538 doesn't work the W13 school journey anymore with 10116 the official decker for it with that hybrid allocated to a different route at HK. As said previously its 10115 not 10116
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Post by andyc on Jul 16, 2024 19:25:11 GMT
HK seems to have a slight shortage of SDs, and the 2-3 spare ex-26/388 Citys are regularly used on the D6/W13. So in this case they would become spare again when the W13 moves to LI with new electrics (1 hybrid also being released from the W13D). The D6 when won by HCT, didn't have a full allocation of E200MMCs ordered for it, instead taking a small number from the W13's 17reg batch, with the W13 then using a small number of shorter 9.7m examples. But it seems all ex-HCT 9.7m are now needed to cover the 309/397/W16/W19. HK have long sent out deckers on the D6 even under CT Plus when they had sufficient numbers of single deckers so I wouldn't read too much into that regarding any potential shortage. It should be noted that HK has a rather young fleet of single deckers as a result of CT Plus victories between 2017 & 2018/2019 so I can't imagine shortages being too frequent apart from covering for the now departed 309 Solos. andyc confirmed that 2538 doesn't work the W13 school journey anymore with 10116 the official decker for it with that hybrid allocated to a different route at HK. The two spare E400 Cities will be moving to AW (and then T) to complete the contract on the 616. The two EVs will move to PD for the 180, with 84163 then moving across to TL to make up the additional PVR on the route… |
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