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Post by mkay315 on Sept 19, 2020 22:29:24 GMT
Per latest LOTs TLB Stagecoach will be borrowing 15 ADEs from RATP for 173 from 17 October 40410-13, 15, 17, 19, 25, 55-61 Stagecoaches new BYD-ADL should start to arrive mid October, so ADEs are covering whilst drivers trained, infrastructure finished and buses delivered Did drive past BK the other day and there didn't seem to be much change since I last posted a snap on here with the wires still out, will pass again tomorrow so I'll see if anything has changed but I doubt much would have happened in the space of a week. Interesting to see they are still due Mid-October, that's a lot sooner than the initial 2021 prediction that was thrown around. I imagine in this case the biggest hold back will be the installation of the chargers along with the training of drivers. WH has chargers so should the buses arrive before the chargers at BK are completed I would imagine they'll be stored there. Am I right to say that the 173 batch of buses will have the camera mirrors. Similar to the 25 and 425.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 19, 2020 22:34:25 GMT
Did drive past BK the other day and there didn't seem to be much change since I last posted a snap on here with the wires still out, will pass again tomorrow so I'll see if anything has changed but I doubt much would have happened in the space of a week. Interesting to see they are still due Mid-October, that's a lot sooner than the initial 2021 prediction that was thrown around. I imagine in this case the biggest hold back will be the installation of the chargers along with the training of drivers. WH has chargers so should the buses arrive before the chargers at BK are completed I would imagine they'll be stored there. Am I right to say that the 173 batch of buses will have the camera mirrors. Similar to the 25 and 425. Yes, I don't see why they wouldn't.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 19, 2020 22:49:35 GMT
Couple weeks Went past BK Saw Works At Garage
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 20, 2020 10:56:58 GMT
Why are Stagecoach choosing to hire ADEs from RATP for the 173? Surely it would be much easier to hire the existing Arriva Ts on the route - which are the same type but already blinded for the 173, especially when such loans won't be needed for long before the electrics are delivered. Would also be easier logistically to transfer E400s from DX to BK or RM - rather than involving another operator at BT/RP.
Although the 13reg VHs at BT are allowing cover for these ADEs (plus some 62reg ADHs at RP covering the ADE loans from there), RATP could have instead kept these ADEs, directly or indirectly being used for the school extras - this would avoid relying on Tower Transit to run these extras. Similarly, RATP could have kept the 07reg E200s loaned to TF, to instead cover the 395's extras, rather than involving Uno.
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 20, 2020 10:58:15 GMT
Why are Stagecoach choosing to hire ADEs from RATP for the 173? Surely it would be much easier to hire the existing Arriva Ts on the route - which are the same type but already blinded for the 173, especially when such loans won't be needed for long before the electrics are delivered. Would also be easier logistically to transfer E400s from DX to BK or RM - rather than involving another operator at BT/RP. Although the 13reg VHs at BT are allowing cover for these ADEs (plus some 62reg ADHs at RP covering the ADE loans from there), RATP could have instead kept these ADEs, directly or indirectly being used for the school extras - this would avoid relying on Tower Transit to run these extras. Similarly, RATP could have kept the 07reg E200s loaned to TF, to instead cover the 395's extras, rather than involving Uno. Perhaps RATP offered a cheaper deal than Arriva
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 20, 2020 11:02:32 GMT
Why are Stagecoach choosing to hire ADEs from RATP for the 173? Surely it would be much easier to hire the existing Arriva Ts on the route - which are the same type but already blinded for the 173, especially when such loans won't be needed for long before the electrics are delivered. Would also be easier logistically to transfer E400s from DX to BK or RM - rather than involving another operator at BT/RP. Although the 13reg VHs at BT are allowing cover for these ADEs (plus some 62reg ADHs at RP covering the ADE loans from there), RATP could have instead kept these ADEs, directly or indirectly being used for the school extras - this would avoid relying on Tower Transit to run these extras. Similarly, RATP could have kept the 07reg E200s loaned to TF, to instead cover the 395's extras, rather than involving Uno. Perhaps RATP offered a cheaper deal than Arriva Possibly, but I'm surprised RATP were offering to loan ADEs at all, when these could have been kept for the school route extras.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 20, 2020 11:09:52 GMT
Perhaps RATP offered a cheaper deal than Arriva Possibly, but I'm surprised RATP were offering to loan ADEs at all, when these could have been kept for the school route extras. Maybe renting a bus 24/7 is more profitable than using it for 1hr a day on school extras.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 20, 2020 11:16:52 GMT
Why are Stagecoach choosing to hire ADEs from RATP for the 173? Surely it would be much easier to hire the existing Arriva Ts on the route - which are the same type but already blinded for the 173, especially when such loans won't be needed for long before the electrics are delivered. Would also be easier logistically to transfer E400s from DX to BK or RM - rather than involving another operator at BT/RP. Although the 13reg VHs at BT are allowing cover for these ADEs (plus some 62reg ADHs at RP covering the ADE loans from there), RATP could have instead kept these ADEs, directly or indirectly being used for the school extras - this would avoid relying on Tower Transit to run these extras. Similarly, RATP could have kept the 07reg E200s loaned to TF, to instead cover the 395's extras, rather than involving Uno. Judging by the state of the 173s things I wouldn't be surprised if Stagecoach would rather hire buses from another company which would need less money spent on them during their short spell at Stagecoach rather than hiring buses which aren't in the best state and might have a risk of conking out and needing money spent on them.
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Post by ibus246 on Sept 20, 2020 11:20:53 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 20, 2020 11:24:59 GMT
<snip> Although the 13reg VHs at BT are allowing cover for these ADEs (plus some 62reg ADHs at RP covering the ADE loans from there), RATP could have instead kept these ADEs, directly or indirectly being used for the school extras - this would avoid relying on Tower Transit to run these extras. Similarly, RATP could have kept the 07reg E200s loaned to TF, to instead cover the 395's extras, rather than involving Uno. The operation of school extras may be influenced by driver availability as well as availability of vehicles. Remember these were arranged with little notice.
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 20, 2020 12:05:25 GMT
Why are Stagecoach choosing to hire ADEs from RATP for the 173? Surely it would be much easier to hire the existing Arriva Ts on the route - which are the same type but already blinded for the 173, especially when such loans won't be needed for long before the electrics are delivered. Would also be easier logistically to transfer E400s from DX to BK or RM - rather than involving another operator at BT/RP. Although the 13reg VHs at BT are allowing cover for these ADEs (plus some 62reg ADHs at RP covering the ADE loans from there), RATP could have instead kept these ADEs, directly or indirectly being used for the school extras - this would avoid relying on Tower Transit to run these extras. Similarly, RATP could have kept the 07reg E200s loaned to TF, to instead cover the 395's extras, rather than involving Uno. Judging by the state of the 173s things I wouldn't be surprised if Stagecoach would rather hire buses from another company which would need less money spent on them during their short spell at Stagecoach rather than hiring buses which aren't in the best state and might have a risk of conking out and needing money spent on them. Just to add on the point you're saying, maybe Stagecoach would want loan the buses that do have powerblinds which none of the buses at DX have and now that all the buses at BK (or in fact most Stagecoach buses except small number of E200's South of the Thames) have powerblinds.
Alternatively Arriva may have plans to use the current 173 buses elsewhere as soon as it goes to Stagecoach that we don't know at the moment.
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Post by snowman on Sept 20, 2020 12:56:43 GMT
Judging by the state of the 173s things I wouldn't be surprised if Stagecoach would rather hire buses from another company which would need less money spent on them during their short spell at Stagecoach rather than hiring buses which aren't in the best state and might have a risk of conking out and needing money spent on them. Just to add on the point you're saying, maybe Stagecoach would want loan the buses that do have powerblinds which none of the buses at DX have and now that all the buses at BK (or in fact most Stagecoach buses except small number of E200's South of the Thames) have powerblinds. Alternatively Arriva may have plans to use the current 173 buses elsewhere as soon as it goes to Stagecoach that we don't know at the moment. Could be a combination, I suspect Stagecoach have ordered new blinds, so need buses that they fit, and can subsequently transfer to others at the garage, so other buses can work the route, in addition to new ones if required. It is also possible that RATP offered a better price than Arriva , also RATP have spare buses until 28 starts, so likely to be happy to have hire income.
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Post by COBO on Sept 20, 2020 14:50:07 GMT
What happened to ex 106 Scania after the 106 went to Arriva?
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 20, 2020 15:19:50 GMT
What happened to ex 106 Scania after the 106 went to Arriva? They moved to RM for either the 365 or 252.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 20, 2020 15:51:00 GMT
Was the 55 at all busy to Leyton Green when it was at Leyton, Bakers Arms instead of Walthamstow? I was concerned that the high street link would be lost when the 48 was Withdrawn and the 55 was extended to Walthamstow.
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