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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 17, 2024 14:29:26 GMT
I agree that 21-seat Solos would not be suitable for the extended W12, which is taking over much of the current W14. Be careful about making disdainful/sneery comparisons with years ago, though. Travel patterns change over time, there are more routes in outer London these days and many routes run more frequently than they once did. Okay let me bring it bang up to date then, a Solo will (albeit temporary) will not be able to cope with loadings on the newly extended W14 (W12). Even with buses the existing W14 uses, it remains pretty throughout. I'm assuming Stagecoach have already planned to use longer buses anyway. As the route has been cleared for (slightly) longer SDs, I assume the W12 allocation will be the remaining E200s from the 339, with a top-up from the W19. The W19 would then take some of the LX11 E200s (ex 366) that were previously used on the 276. Considering the number of E400s appearing on the 165, I think the 310 would use E200s from the 165. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 17, 2024 14:31:30 GMT
Okay let me bring it bang up to date then, a Solo will (albeit temporary) will not be able to cope with loadings on the newly extended W14 (W12). Even with buses the existing W14 uses, it remains pretty throughout. I'm assuming Stagecoach have already planned to use longer buses anyway. Yes, but I am still wondering why they went with 8.5m buses but I guess we are going to see how busy the new W12 gets. Most of the withdrawn section of the W14 in the busy areas is being replaced the W13 I think so, it should be okay. I also think it's safe to assume that the new W14 and W13 will get BZLs as the W13 BZL DD has been confirmed by andyc, and it makes sense given they can take the length and could allow the 276 to intermix between the batches at LI! They went with 8.5m because that's what the tender specification said. The clearance for longer SDs came after the tender was awarded |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 17, 2024 14:40:28 GMT
Yes, but I am still wondering why they went with 8.5m buses but I guess we are going to see how busy the new W12 gets. Most of the withdrawn section of the W14 in the busy areas is being replaced the W13 I think so, it should be okay. I also think it's safe to assume that the new W14 and W13 will get BZLs as the W13 BZL DD has been confirmed by andyc, and it makes sense given they can take the length and could allow the 276 to intermix between the batches at LI! They went with 8.5m because that's what the tender specification said. The clearance for longer SDs came after the tender was awarded Ah I see. Perhaps the swapping with another route could potentially happen in the future. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 17, 2024 14:48:11 GMT
Okay let me bring it bang up to date then, a Solo will (albeit temporary) will not be able to cope with loadings on the newly extended W14 (W12). Even with buses the existing W14 uses, it remains pretty throughout. I'm assuming Stagecoach have already planned to use longer buses anyway. Yes, but I am still wondering why they went with 8.5m buses but I guess we are going to see how busy the new W12 gets. Most of the withdrawn section of the W14 in the busy areas is being replaced the W13 I think so, it should be okay. I also think it's safe to assume that the new W14 and W13 will get BZLs as the W13 BZL DD has been confirmed by andyc, and it makes sense given they can take the length and could allow the 276 to intermix between the batches at LI! How is the busiest section being replaced when it’s the small section from Leytonstone to Leyton that’s being covered by the W13? Have you observed the current W14 and seen loadings? The majority of the old route is covered by the new W12 and is getting a downgrade in capacity. |
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Post by yunus on Aug 17, 2024 14:57:16 GMT
I’m sure Yunus wil be happy as there’s at least 2 electrics on N86 tonight with 1 being 82054  Lol yes I just checked on LVF. But it is still not good enough *imo* as the contract states 100% EV 😂 |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 17, 2024 14:57:29 GMT
Yes, but I am still wondering why they went with 8.5m buses but I guess we are going to see how busy the new W12 gets. Most of the withdrawn section of the W14 in the busy areas is being replaced the W13 I think so, it should be okay. I also think it's safe to assume that the new W14 and W13 will get BZLs as the W13 BZL DD has been confirmed by andyc, and it makes sense given they can take the length and could allow the 276 to intermix between the batches at LI! How is the busiest section being replaced when it’s the small section from Leytonstone to Leyton that’s being covered by the W13? Have you observed the current W14 and seen loadings? The majority of the old route is covered by the new W12 and is getting a downgrade in capacity. I thought the busier sections are being covered by the new W13, I haven't payed full attention to the restructuring of the routes and thought the withdrawn areas of the route in general were being covered by the W12. |
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 17, 2024 15:28:39 GMT
Yes, but I am still wondering why they went with 8.5m buses but I guess we are going to see how busy the new W12 gets. Most of the withdrawn section of the W14 in the busy areas is being replaced the W13 I think so, it should be okay. I also think it's safe to assume that the new W14 and W13 will get BZLs as the W13 BZL DD has been confirmed by andyc, and it makes sense given they can take the length and could allow the 276 to intermix between the batches at LI! How is the busiest section being replaced when it’s the small section from Leytonstone to Leyton that’s being covered by the W13? Have you observed the current W14 and seen loadings? The majority of the old route is covered by the new W12 and is getting a downgrade in capacity. Equally the majority of the current W14 is being replaced by the new W13, the W14 now between Leyton & Wanstead is the same as the extended W13 and the same for South Woodford with the only difference that you would have to wait at the opposite side of the road or round the corner when waiting for the new W13 over the current W14. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 17, 2024 16:37:07 GMT
How is the busiest section being replaced when it’s the small section from Leytonstone to Leyton that’s being covered by the W13? Have you observed the current W14 and seen loadings? The majority of the old route is covered by the new W12 and is getting a downgrade in capacity. Equally the majority of the current W14 is being replaced by the new W13, the W14 now between Leyton & Wanstead is the same as the extended W13 and the same for South Woodford with the only difference that you would have to wait at the opposite side of the road or round the corner when waiting for the new W13 over the current W14. Whilst I appreciate what you are saying it can’t be ignored just how busy the section between Woodford Bridge and Leytonstone is, yes there are sections where passengers can use the W13 but that’s no different to now with the existing W14. |
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 17, 2024 17:58:17 GMT
Meanwhile the Solos on the W9 do have front number blinds in place but with rest of the blinds being blacked out and paper displays on the front are being used for the destnations - 47988 at Southgate Station eariler today. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 17, 2024 18:26:42 GMT
Meanwhile the Solos on the W9 do have front number blinds in place but with rest of the blinds being blacked out and paper displays on the front are being used for the destnations - 47988 at Southgate Station eariler today. Why did they remove the Stagecoach Logo too? |
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Post by theferret124 on Aug 17, 2024 18:31:16 GMT
Meanwhile the Solos on the W9 do have front number blinds in place but with rest of the blinds being blacked out and paper displays on the front are being used for the destnations - 47988 at Southgate Station eariler today. Why did they remove the Stagecoach Logo too? have to assume that the solos were to be decommed after the W5s conversion, however after they gained the W9 temporarily from sullivans, they're pulling out any spare/recently decommed vehicles, only taking the time to blank out displays |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 17, 2024 18:52:17 GMT
Why did they remove the Stagecoach Logo too? have to assume that the solos were to be decommed after the W5s conversion, however after they gained the W9 temporarily from sullivans, they're pulling out any spare/recently decommed vehicles, only taking the time to blank out displays That makes sense, thanks! |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 17, 2024 18:56:03 GMT
Why did they remove the Stagecoach Logo too? have to assume that the solos were to be decommed after the W5s conversion, however after they gained the W9 temporarily from sullivans, they're pulling out any spare/recently decommed vehicles, only taking the time to blank out displays TfL are telling operators to leave the front panel blank, I think they want a roundel to go there in future. Noticed this with a few Tottenham HVs. Impressed they put the route number in the blind box, would be good if Arriva had done this for the 217's. At least the buses are tracking now  |
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Post by va59 on Aug 18, 2024 18:13:42 GMT
Equally the majority of the current W14 is being replaced by the new W13, the W14 now between Leyton & Wanstead is the same as the extended W13 and the same for South Woodford with the only difference that you would have to wait at the opposite side of the road or round the corner when waiting for the new W13 over the current W14. Whilst I appreciate what you are saying it can’t be ignored just how busy the section between Woodford Bridge and Leytonstone is, yes there are sections where passengers can use the W13 but that’s no different to now with the existing W14. It will certainly be interesting. What I don't understand is why clear a route for longer buses AFTER shorter ones have already been ordered. It's not a new route, did they not think of clearing it for longer buses when they came up this 'restructuring'. I just don't get the thought process sometimes. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 18, 2024 18:40:27 GMT
Whilst I appreciate what you are saying it can’t be ignored just how busy the section between Woodford Bridge and Leytonstone is, yes there are sections where passengers can use the W13 but that’s no different to now with the existing W14. It will certainly be interesting. What I don't understand is why clear a route for longer buses AFTER shorter ones have already been ordered. It's not a new route, did they not think of clearing it for longer buses when they came up this 'restructuring'. I just don't get the thought process sometimes. Road amendments where made to Coppermill Lane around April so that would be a tangible change since the tender. However, as I have said before I am not sure the changes will make going around in 9.7m buses easy (although it was up to 9.7m). Currently, at the second W12 stop most buses stop in the middle of the road so they can have a wide angle to turn. Although there have been tangible changes they were not unexpected and clearly pre-agreed with Waltham Forest so they would have had some known length that would have been possible and clearly longer than the current 7.8m. The tender could have also been out prior to Waltham Forest sticking the middle finger at TfL about the Village which has much tighter turns. The final more controversial reason could be that TfL wanted E100EV buses to be ordered. Very odd that (if I am correct) there are no 8.5m buses other than the never used or tried one that has been ordered. A very uncompetitive tender in terms of bus type. |
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