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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2024 18:51:05 GMT
Whilst I appreciate what you are saying it can’t be ignored just how busy the section between Woodford Bridge and Leytonstone is, yes there are sections where passengers can use the W13 but that’s no different to now with the existing W14. It will certainly be interesting. What I don't understand is why clear a route for longer buses AFTER shorter ones have already been ordered. It's not a new route, did they not think of clearing it for longer buses when they came up this 'restructuring'. I just don't get the thought process sometimes. This isn’t new for TfL to do - presumably, they feel that the capacity of the incoming 8.5m electrics is adequate for the amended route overall which is why they specified 8.5m vehicles over longer vehicles (not something I personally agree with as I follow your own thought process instead). I’ve a couple of local routes that are cleared for longer vehicles but have long been specified for 9m vehicles by TfL |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 18, 2024 18:58:57 GMT
Whilst I appreciate what you are saying it can’t be ignored just how busy the section between Woodford Bridge and Leytonstone is, yes there are sections where passengers can use the W13 but that’s no different to now with the existing W14. It will certainly be interesting. What I don't understand is why clear a route for longer buses AFTER shorter ones have already been ordered. It's not a new route, did they not think of clearing it for longer buses when they came up this 'restructuring'. I just don't get the thought process sometimes. The route was probably cleared after the award was made due to the need to have something operating on the route when the extension happens. |
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Post by andyc on Aug 18, 2024 20:02:38 GMT
It will certainly be interesting. What I don't understand is why clear a route for longer buses AFTER shorter ones have already been ordered. It's not a new route, did they not think of clearing it for longer buses when they came up this 'restructuring'. I just don't get the thought process sometimes. The route was probably cleared after the award was made due to the need to have something operating on the route when the extension happens. Correct - 16 9.0m buses not necessarily easy to find for a short period… 9.7m however a lot easier, especially as the W19 can take 10.2 |
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 18, 2024 20:40:51 GMT
The route was probably cleared after the award was made due to the need to have something operating on the route when the extension happens. Correct - 16 9.0m buses not necessarily easy to find for a short period… 9.7m however a lot easier, especially as the W19 can take 10.2 Any hints or confirmation as to which buses will be used on W12, W13 & W14 to start off once the changes take place or even the new 310 if you are able to reveal the allocations that's for sure? |
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Post by yunus on Aug 18, 2024 22:24:06 GMT
What could happen to the 56s current Hybrids once the route enters the new contract next year? Just wondering
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Aug 18, 2024 23:35:12 GMT
What could happen to the 56s current Hybrids once the route enters the new contract next year? Just wondering From an enthusiast perspective, I would love them to be used again on a 3 year contract. E.g 128 (no bias I promise  ) but more realistically they will be withdrawn and decom for further sale. |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 19, 2024 5:50:20 GMT
I would now challenge what you say about the 276’s boards. I was one of the first to slate the many many issues they had, but I saw loads of 276’s today and every single one was now functioning perfectly, no faults on front side or rear. So clearly Mobitec have been fixing and replacing the faulty screens, and seem to be doing far better now  I’d also challenge your point about them now becoming the screen of choice for most manufacturers, it seems to be 50:50 at the moment. GAL, TUK and RATP are going for Hanover (the latter two presumably after being dissatisfied with the issues of their initial Mobitecs), while Arriva, Metroline and Stagecoach are going for Mobitecs on their (apart from Stagecoach’s new Metrocities but that almost certainly due to the spec of the ones they inherited) Oh the 276s have certainly seen a noticeable improvement but the actual quality of the display itself is poor compared to the Ees on the 262. I'd be interested to see if Stagecoach continue with Mobitec after the issues that they've been having. (Copied from TUK) I think Stagecoach will continue with Mobitec. The fact that they’ve taken the faults of the 276 buses seriously and swiftly fixed them hopefully means Stagecoach will have been impressed by their cooperation and service, and still order them. I hope that’s what happens anyway as we seem to have differing opinions on which screens are better I definitely know where my preference sits  😂 I will also be very interested to see what screens the new RATP buses for the 33 and 218 get. I *hope* Mobitec will lure them back for this latest order, given RATP have so many already and only switched over on the latest 226 and 295 order, and not being funny but the 226 and 295 screens are absolute dog poo 😂 by far the worse ones. (The 226’s ones have been redone with tiny letters like TUK’s) |
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Post by andyc on Aug 19, 2024 7:10:41 GMT
Correct - 16 9.0m buses not necessarily easy to find for a short period… 9.7m however a lot easier, especially as the W19 can take 10.2 Any hints or confirmation as to which buses will be used on W12, W13 & W14 to start off once the changes take place or even the new 310 if you are able to reveal the allocations that's for sure? In general: 165 - E400 296 - E200 MMC 310 - E200 MMC W12 - 9.7m E200 Classic W13 - E200 Classic w15 - E200 Classic W19 - 10.2m E200 Classic I’ll leave you all to work out the number of buses of each type… |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 19, 2024 8:43:20 GMT
Any hints or confirmation as to which buses will be used on W12, W13 & W14 to start off once the changes take place or even the new 310 if you are able to reveal the allocations that's for sure? In general: 165 - E400 296 - E200 MMC 310 - E200 MMC W12 - 9.7m E200 Classic W13 - E200 Classic w15 - E200 Classic W19 - 10.2m E200 Classic I’ll leave you all to work out the number of buses of each type… Thanks! Though I am a little confused why the 296 is getting MMCs, though I do assume that the W19 will be releasing a lot of its original buses. I assume 165 will be a single and double deck operation. |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 19, 2024 9:34:18 GMT
Oh the 276s have certainly seen a noticeable improvement but the actual quality of the display itself is poor compared to the Ees on the 262. I'd be interested to see if Stagecoach continue with Mobitec after the issues that they've been having. (Copied from TUK) I think Stagecoach will continue with Mobitec. The fact that they’ve taken the faults of the 276 buses seriously and swiftly fixed them hopefully means Stagecoach will have been impressed by their cooperation and service, and still order them. I hope that’s what happens anyway as we seem to have differing opinions on which screens are better I definitely know where my preference sits 😂 I will also be very interested to see what screens the new RATP buses for the 33 and 218 get. I *hope* Mobitec will lure them back for this latest order, given RATP have so many already and only switched over on the latest 226 and 295 order, and not being funny but the 226 and 295 screens are absolute dog poo 😂 by far the worse ones. (The 226’s ones have been redone with tiny letters like TUK’s) A lot of the RATP problems were down to somebody there finding that there is a switch on the control unit that stretches the text and route number to fill the height and width of the box. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 19, 2024 9:38:07 GMT
I'm not sure if this was mentioned before. Are the Optare Solos on the W9 going to be the allocation for the route during Stagecoaches operation?
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Post by WH241 on Aug 19, 2024 9:58:32 GMT
Any hints or confirmation as to which buses will be used on W12, W13 & W14 to start off once the changes take place or even the new 310 if you are able to reveal the allocations that's for sure? In general: 165 - E400 296 - E200 MMC 310 - E200 MMC W12 - 9.7m E200 Classic W13 - E200 Classic w15 - E200 Classic W19 - 10.2m E200 Classic I’ll leave you all to work out the number of buses of each type… I am guessing the 310 is going to use the ex route W13 MMCs? I think there was a plan for these buses but that was before the award of the 310. Thanks for confirming all the various bus types and allocation. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 19, 2024 10:11:37 GMT
I'm not sure if this was mentioned before. Are the Optare Solos on the W9 going to be the allocation for the route during Stagecoaches operation? Only temporary |
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Post by adl on Aug 19, 2024 13:50:53 GMT
In general: 165 - E400 296 - E200 MMC 310 - E200 MMC W12 - 9.7m E200 Classic W13 - E200 Classic w15 - E200 Classic W19 - 10.2m E200 Classic I’ll leave you all to work out the number of buses of each type… I am guessing the 310 is going to use the ex route W13 MMCs? I think there was a plan for these buses but that was before the award of the 310. Thanks for confirming all the various bus types and allocation. My thoughts are: I winder what will be transferred to RM for the 165. The 165 will go fully E400 (DD) Operation with: 9x E200 MMCs to North Street for Route 296. (37531-37539) 4x E200 MMCs to Ask Grove for route 310 (37526-37529) Tge 296 will then release it’s E200s: 6x 13-Reg E200s to Route W13. (36575-36580) 3x 11-Reg E200s to route W19. (36261, 36262, 36264.) The W13 releases 6 MMCs plus 4 from the 165 giving the 310 its allocation. The W19 receives further 10.2m releasing MMCs. W14 to use 3x of current existing allocation with rest situated on the extended W13. (37561-37567) 4x Route W13. 3x Route W14 So the W13 uses 6x 13 reg from the 296, 4x 12 reg from the W14, PVR 9, TVR 10. Route W19 to recieve 36261, 36262, 36264 (From 296), 36298 (From 549), 36284, 36289, 36290 (Currently spare at HK.) I can also the the sole 9.6m E200 (13 reg) transferring from NS to HK to help with the changes. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 19, 2024 14:09:12 GMT
I am guessing the 310 is going to use the ex route W13 MMCs? I think there was a plan for these buses but that was before the award of the 310. Thanks for confirming all the various bus types and allocation. My thoughts are: I winder what will be transferred to RM for the 165. The 165 will go fully E400 (DD) Operation with: 9x E200 MMCs to North Street for Route 296. (37531-37539) 4x E200 MMCs to Ask Grove for route 310 (37526-37529) Tge 296 will then release it’s E200s: 6x 13-Reg E200s to Route W13. (36575-36580) 3x 11-Reg E200s to route W19. (36261, 36262, 36264.) The W13 releases 6 MMCs plus 4 from the 165 giving the 310 its allocation. The W19 receives further 10.2m releasing MMCs. W14 to use 3x of current existing allocation with rest situated on the extended W13. (37561-37567) 4x Route W13. 3x Route W14 So the W13 uses 6x 13 reg from the 296, 4x 12 reg from the W14, PVR 9, TVR 10. W13 only releases 3 MMCs to the 310 so the 310 will need 7 from the 165. The rest of the W13 allocation is 9.7m so would go to the W12. As such, I see the 296's 11reg allocation staying put with the 13regs going to LI as you said. |
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