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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 19, 2024 17:04:03 GMT
What could happen to the 56s current Hybrids once the route enters the new contract next year? Just wondering From an enthusiast perspective, I would love them to be used again on a 3 year contract. E.g 128 (no bias I promise  ) but more realistically they will be withdrawn and decom for further sale. I take this bus most days and they just do not seem that they are 13 years or so old. They seem in excellent condition inside and out. I dont mind any bus type but like variety and would hate losing these buses early for LTs that 55 already uses. |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 19, 2024 17:22:58 GMT
From an enthusiast perspective, I would love them to be used again on a 3 year contract. E.g 128 (no bias I promise ) but more realistically they will be withdrawn and decom for further sale. I take this bus most days and they just do not seem that they are 13 years or so old. They seem in excellent condition inside and out. I dont mind any bus type but like variety and would hate losing these buses early for LTs that 55 already uses. Not only for variety with its green interior, but I also love the 56's allocation because it was the first ever hybrids for Stagecoach in late 2011/early 2012. They were and are still a joy to ride and I hope the company holds onto them for as long as possible. Who knows, maybe one of the E400Hs will be preserved by a transport group for decades to come.  I wonder if Arriva preserved one of their earlier HVs, as I believe they were the first company to introduce hybrids onto London's streets. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 19, 2024 17:24:06 GMT
Following the disscusion regarding the W13 can anyone confirm the current allocation? LD71YLO (BE37054) mentioned a few shorter buses make up the allocation. How did the route end up with two diffent batches? When HCT won the D6, they only ordered 13x 68reg MMCs, so the D6 was also allocated 3x 17reg (new to the W13). The W13 then took 3x 9.8m MMCs from AW to replace them, but I'm not sure why they became spare. However, all of the ex-HCT 9.8m are now allocated to the 309/397/W16/W19. This is because some of the E200s intended for the new W19 contract were sent to the 346 instead to cover the Harold Hill extension, plus the 309 needed 1 more MMC than the W11 had. So other than the 4 remaining YX17 allocated, the W13 currently seems to be using some of the shorter MMCs allocated to the 309 - with the 309 continuing to use some of the ex-First E200s. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 19, 2024 17:24:28 GMT
Following the disscusion regarding the W13 can anyone confirm the current allocation? LD71YLO (BE37054) mentioned a few shorter buses make up the allocation. How did the route end up with two diffent batches? It started in CT Plus days with a frequency reduction (can't remember which route) leading to 3 or 4 spare 9.7m vehicles becoming available. When CT Plus won the D6 they ordered fewer 10.8m buses than the route required. The balance was made up by allocating the spare 9.7m vehicles to the W13, which is less busy, and transferring a few 10.8m examples to the D6. EDIT: the post above by ADH45258 explains it in better detail! |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 19, 2024 17:30:36 GMT
What could happen to the 56s current Hybrids once the route enters the new contract next year? Just wondering From an enthusiast perspective, I would love them to be used again on a 3 year contract. E.g 128 (no bias I promise ) but more realistically they will be withdrawn and decom for further sale. Three year contracts currently seem to be using no older than 12reg, so these E40Hs might be too old. However, Stagecoach could just put them on an existing contract, and instead withdraw more 11/61/12reg E40Ds, which may have better resale value? It depends though on how good a condition the 56's E40Hs are in - some of Metroline's similar 61reg TEHs have already been scrapped. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 19, 2024 17:38:52 GMT
I take this bus most days and they just do not seem that they are 13 years or so old. They seem in excellent condition inside and out. I dont mind any bus type but like variety and would hate losing these buses early for LTs that 55 already uses. Not only for variety with its green interior, but I also love the 56's allocation because it was the first ever hybrids for Stagecoach in late 2011/early 2012. They were and are still a joy to ride and I hope the company holds onto them for as long as possible. Who knows, maybe one of the E400Hs will be preserved by a transport group for decades to come. I wonder if Arriva preserved one of their earlier HVs, as I believe they were the first company to introduce hybrids onto London's streets. Those buses did actually start out on the 15 before moving to the 56. Not sure if you were suggesting they started on the 56 as the wording is a little ambiguous. |
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Post by adl on Aug 19, 2024 17:49:46 GMT
I do wonder what E400s the 165 will use as from the top of my head only the rail replacement ones are spare really anyone else know of any others?
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 19, 2024 17:58:00 GMT
I do wonder what E400s the 165 will use as from the top of my head only the rail replacement ones are spare really anyone else know of any others? Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? |
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Post by BK15AZR on Aug 19, 2024 18:08:33 GMT
I do wonder what E400s the 165 will use as from the top of my head only the rail replacement ones are spare really anyone else know of any others? Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? Some are in the reserve fleet so can always be reinstated if needed. |
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Post by DW221 on Aug 19, 2024 18:26:59 GMT
I do wonder what E400s the 165 will use as from the top of my head only the rail replacement ones are spare really anyone else know of any others? Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? Former 86 fleet as follows 19804-05 to the Sightseeing Tours 19806-808 at HK for D7 19809 & 19829-830 at WH for 241/330/474 19810 & 19812-813, 816, 819 to PD as Scania replacements 19811 & 19814 to LI for 97 19815, 19818-819 & 19823 remaining at NS 19820-19824, 19826-827, 19831-32 in reserve 19825 to TB for 61 Thats the fleet movements of all of them! |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 19, 2024 19:05:23 GMT
Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? Former 86 fleet as follows 19804-05 to the Sightseeing Tours 19806-808 at HK for D7 19809 & 19829-830 at WH for 241/330/474 19810 & 19812-813, 816, 819 to PD as Scania replacements 19811 & 19814 to LI for 97 19815, 19818-819 & 19823 remaining at NS 19820-19824, 19826-827, 19831-32 in reserve 19825 to TB for 61 Thats the fleet movements of all of them! Cool! Seems like a handful in reserve that could be used! |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 19, 2024 19:05:25 GMT
I do wonder what E400s the 165 will use as from the top of my head only the rail replacement ones are spare really anyone else know of any others? Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? The 97 does struggle most days and needs the support of E400s so don't think it could release any. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 19, 2024 19:06:09 GMT
Perhaps the 97 could free a few. Were the 30 on the 86 already withdrawn or sent elsewhere? The 97 does struggle most days and needs the support of E400s so don't think it could release any. It should be able to as those B5LH MMCs are now around. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 19, 2024 19:08:26 GMT
The 97 does struggle most days and needs the support of E400s so don't think it could release any. It should be able to as those B5LH MMCs are now around. True! And with the 58 increasing in the number of BZLs, perhaps the sole hybrid allocated to it can be used to aid the 97. But WH241 is not wrong, the 262 and 473 needed the support of Gemini 2s in the time when the routes were with Stagecoach so it's the same with the 97. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 19, 2024 19:10:45 GMT
The 97 does struggle most days and needs the support of E400s so don't think it could release any. It should be able to as those B5LH MMCs are now around. Those B5's are in service today (Rare in its self) yet there are still 4 E400s out. Allocations and spares are fine on paper but reality and reliability are different especially with Streedecks. |
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) but more realistically they will be withdrawn and decom for further sale.
