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Post by WH241 on Sept 3, 2024 11:11:41 GMT
Looks like the intended vehicles for the 310 are actually coming from the 314 & W14. Just read this on LBR. 310 New route between Golders Green and Stamford Hill via route 210 to Finsbury Park then via Manor House. Contract awarded to Stagecoach London with 8 existing single deckers from Ash Grove garage (mix of E20D 10.5m/Enviro200 2D from route 314 and E200Dart 10.8m/Enviro200 2D from route W14 TBC). (1 year to be confirmed). Every 20 minutes daily with no early morning or evening service (approx 0800-1900 daily). ` (270824) 1 September Could that have been an old plan? Wonder why they would go to trouble of shifting all those buses around from RM and NS if they are not staying on the route? So what will happen to the 165 buses? Are they heading back to their intended route ? |
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Post by andyc on Sept 3, 2024 12:02:35 GMT
Looks like the intended vehicles for the 310 are actually coming from the 314 & W14. Just read this on LBR. 310 New route between Golders Green and Stamford Hill via route 210 to Finsbury Park then via Manor House. Contract awarded to Stagecoach London with 8 existing single deckers from Ash Grove garage (mix of E20D 10.5m/Enviro200 2D from route 314 and E200Dart 10.8m/Enviro200 2D from route W14 TBC). (1 year to be confirmed). Every 20 minutes daily with no early morning or evening service (approx 0800-1900 daily). ` (270824) 1 September Could that have been an old plan? Wonder why they would go to trouble of shifting all those buses around from RM and NS if they are not staying on the route? So what will happen to the 165 buses? Are they heading back to their intended route ? The W14 and 314 buses are not yet available, as the EVs are not here for those routes - So, that is the long term plan, but for the short term, the 165 is a reasonably easy donor... As to when it will all be put back together, depends on which buses and infrastructure are ready first - 314 or W13/W14 |
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Post by ! ALEED on Sept 3, 2024 12:05:05 GMT
Looks like the intended vehicles for the 310 are actually coming from the 314 & W14. Just read this on LBR. 310 New route between Golders Green and Stamford Hill via route 210 to Finsbury Park then via Manor House. Contract awarded to Stagecoach London with 8 existing single deckers from Ash Grove garage (mix of E20D 10.5m/Enviro200 2D from route 314 and E200Dart 10.8m/Enviro200 2D from route W14 TBC). (1 year to be confirmed). Every 20 minutes daily with no early morning or evening service (approx 0800-1900 daily). ` (270824) 1 September Perhaps this will happen soon, the W14 will perhaps release a couple YX65s as the PVR goes down from 10 to 2, and the 314 will probably get its BZLs next year regardless of whether theyrrive this year or the next as TB has to be electrified. Then, the 165 buses will head back to their original route, as residents at Abbey Wood Lane also said the buses were too heavy causing 'cracking' in their houses. So in other words, it was perhaps a temporary measure to get the 10.9m MMCs because the 165 could take deckers and had nicer buses available that it could easily give. EDIT: Didn't see what andyc posted, I assume we were typing at the same time! |
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Post by adl on Sept 3, 2024 12:20:41 GMT
Not good about the 165 if it does happen, hopefully this doesn’t work out for Stagecoach and the W routes and 314 have massive delays like other routes.,they’ve also chose the BZL which takes ages to arrive as seen with all the other BZL orders which is altogether good piece of news as it’s likely it’s going to take ages for that too. from what I gathered from my email to TFL in which I got a reply back from them is that the tender department are considering the usage of double decks on route 165 for its next tender.
TFL also awarded the 310 to Stagecoach because it had newer buses allocated, the 12/65 reg are near enough what Metroline would’ve bidded with I’m pretty sure.
EDIT: Hopefully this was the initial plan anyway and Stagecoach have changed their mind and decided on a E200 MMC allocation from the 165, it’s up for tender soon anyways.
It should also be noted that the Abby Wood Residents complaint was back in 2021 and usage of double decks has continued throughout the years after that.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 3, 2024 12:31:28 GMT
Not good about the 165 if it does happen, hopefully this doesn’t work out for Stagecoach and the W routes and 314 have massive delays like other routes.,they’ve also chose the BZL which takes ages to arrive as seen with all the other BZL orders which is altogether good piece of news as it’s likely it’s going to take ages for that too. from what I gathered from my email to TFL in which I got a reply back from them is that the tender department are considering the usage of double decks on route 165 for its next tender. TFL also awarded the 310 to Stagecoach because it had newer buses allocated, the 12/65 reg are near enough what Metroline would’ve bidded with I’m pretty sure. It should also be noted that the Abby Wood Residents complaint was back in 2021 and usage of double decks has continued throughout the years after that. Unfortunately you'd have got a template response, if I emailed TfL asking them to make the 462 DD they'll probably say they'll consider it at the next tender. I can't see this happen without TfL approval, so I'd be shocked if the W14/314 buses weren't what they were referring to on the tender notice. For all we know a Metroline bid may have been using the DEs on the 487 or 316. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 3, 2024 12:35:00 GMT
Not good about the 165 if it does happen, hopefully this doesn’t work out for Stagecoach and the W routes and 314 have massive delays like other routes.,they’ve also chose the BZL which takes ages to arrive as seen with all the other BZL orders which is altogether good piece of news as it’s likely it’s going to take ages for that too. from what I gathered from my email to TFL in which I got a reply back from them is that the tender department are considering the usage of double decks on route 165 for its next tender. TFL also awarded the 310 to Stagecoach because it had newer buses allocated, the 12/65 reg are near enough what Metroline would’ve bidded with I’m pretty sure. EDIT: Hopefully this was the initial plan anyway and Stagecoach have changed their mind and decided on a E200 MMC allocation from the 165, it’s up for tender soon anyways. It should also be noted that the Abby Wood Residents complaint was back in 2021 and usage of double decks has continued throughout the years after that. . I wonder if TFL might have made the decision to convert the 165 to DDs for the next contract - and so Stagecoach decided to convert it early after seeing the tender spec (and changing plans for SD route allocations accordingly)? Though if the MMCs on the 310 are temporary, it would only be 12reg E200s in the long term, as the 65reg are intended for the 225. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 3, 2024 12:40:52 GMT
Not good about the 165 if it does happen, hopefully this doesn’t work out for Stagecoach and the W routes and 314 have massive delays like other routes.,they’ve also chose the BZL which takes ages to arrive as seen with all the other BZL orders which is altogether good piece of news as it’s likely it’s going to take ages for that too. from what I gathered from my email to TFL in which I got a reply back from them is that the tender department are considering the usage of double decks on route 165 for its next tender. TFL also awarded the 310 to Stagecoach because it had newer buses allocated, the 12/65 reg are near enough what Metroline would’ve bidded with I’m pretty sure. It should also be noted that the Abby Wood Residents complaint was back in 2021 and usage of double decks has continued throughout the years after that. Unfortunately you'd have got a template response, if I emailed TfL asking them to make the 462 DD they'll probably say they'll consider it at the next tender. I can't see this happen without TfL approval, so I'd be shocked if the W14/314 buses weren't what they were referring to on the tender notice. For all we know a Metroline bid may have been using the DEs on the 487 or 316. I think it was hinted that Arriva may have been the other bidder using ENLs off the 255, which of course are older and not available for a bit of time yet. |
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Post by adl on Sept 3, 2024 12:46:24 GMT
Not good about the 165 if it does happen, hopefully this doesn’t work out for Stagecoach and the W routes and 314 have massive delays like other routes.,they’ve also chose the BZL which takes ages to arrive as seen with all the other BZL orders which is altogether good piece of news as it’s likely it’s going to take ages for that too. from what I gathered from my email to TFL in which I got a reply back from them is that the tender department are considering the usage of double decks on route 165 for its next tender. TFL also awarded the 310 to Stagecoach because it had newer buses allocated, the 12/65 reg are near enough what Metroline would’ve bidded with I’m pretty sure. EDIT: Hopefully this was the initial plan anyway and Stagecoach have changed their mind and decided on a E200 MMC allocation from the 165, it’s up for tender soon anyways. It should also be noted that the Abby Wood Residents complaint was back in 2021 and usage of double decks has continued throughout the years after that. . I wonder if TFL might have made the decision to convert the 165 to DDs for the next contract - and so Stagecoach decided to convert it early after seeing the tender spec (and changing plans for SD route allocations accordingly)? Though if the MMCs on the 310 are temporary, it would only be 12reg E200s in the long term, as the 65reg are intended for the 225. Well yeah if I’m honest I think plans changed at Stagecoach rather than the 314/W routes donating to the 310 and wonder if this changed partly as well due to the 225. The 225 is going to need 7 newer buses, the 12 reg literally aren’t much newer than I imagine Metroline would’ve offered the 17/68 reg however are much newer and I relelt can’t see TFL being that concerned about the same same type (E200) a couple of years younger not even that much younger, an MMC is a newer type and 5+ years newer. It should also be noted that the 165 also donated one of its spares 36665 to the 181. I mean another possibility would be they are using the 68 reg for a new tender on the 296, the 68 reg could do a short contract, Stagecoach could’ve easily just replaced the 3x 11 reg with a couple of spare E400s and they’ve given NS more MMCs than they’ve replaced. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 3, 2024 13:07:50 GMT
. I wonder if TFL might have made the decision to convert the 165 to DDs for the next contract - and so Stagecoach decided to convert it early after seeing the tender spec (and changing plans for SD route allocations accordingly)? Though if the MMCs on the 310 are temporary, it would only be 12reg E200s in the long term, as the 65reg are intended for the 225. Well yeah if I’m honest I think plans changed at Stagecoach rather than the 314/W routes donating to the 310 and wonder if this changed partly as well due to the 225. The 225 is going to need 7 newer buses, the 12 reg literally aren’t much newer than I imagine Metroline would’ve offered the 17/68 reg however are much newer and I relelt can’t see TFL being that concerned about the same same type (E200) a couple of years younger not even that much younger, an MMC is a newer type and 5+ years newer. It should also be noted that the 165 also donated one of its spares 36665 to the 181. I mean another possibility would be they are using the 68 reg for a new tender on the 296, the 68 reg could do a short contract, Stagecoach could’ve easily just replaced the 3x 11 reg with a couple of spare E400s and they’ve given NS more MMCs than they’ve replaced. 36665 is for Route 284 not the 181… |
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Post by adl on Sept 3, 2024 13:18:50 GMT
Well yeah if I’m honest I think plans changed at Stagecoach rather than the 314/W routes donating to the 310 and wonder if this changed partly as well due to the 225. The 225 is going to need 7 newer buses, the 12 reg literally aren’t much newer than I imagine Metroline would’ve offered the 17/68 reg however are much newer and I relelt can’t see TFL being that concerned about the same same type (E200) a couple of years younger not even that much younger, an MMC is a newer type and 5+ years newer. It should also be noted that the 165 also donated one of its spares 36665 to the 181. I mean another possibility would be they are using the 68 reg for a new tender on the 296, the 68 reg could do a short contract, Stagecoach could’ve easily just replaced the 3x 11 reg with a couple of spare E400s and they’ve given NS more MMCs than they’ve replaced. 36665 is for Route 284 not the 181… Again not too clued up in the area, both operate from KB, no? Either way it’s -1 SD from the 165. |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 3, 2024 15:12:03 GMT
SL9 certainly isn't a headway-operated route - it's as the timetable says as per what drivers have told me. SL10 is headway though The only SL Route which is a LF Route is the SL7. I can surely tell you that the SL9 is a headway route. Whatever drivers tell you please dont actually listen too much. Most drivers are quite clueless as to how headways actually work. Its a 12 min service meaning its a HF Route For any of the younger members and a bit of a refresher for me: - DD routes are high frequency if they're 5bph during the day and 4bph nights & Sundays -SD routes are high frequency if they're 4bph daytimes and 3bph nights & Sundays Is this still the classification? |
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Post by zeremony on Sept 3, 2024 15:21:29 GMT
Just seen 37733 YX66 WGG (AW) pass St Barnabas Road on a W12 test run.
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Sept 3, 2024 15:34:59 GMT
There seems to be 3 8 variants with the closure of Bow Interchange: 8 8g 8s 8s is definitely a shuttle with 2 buses leavign the garage between 08:30 and 08:50 and both arriving back and finishing at BW at 18:00 and 18:10 If I find out anymore info I’ll post it here  |
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Post by idk123 on Sept 3, 2024 16:17:46 GMT
first enviro 400H city from the 20 has made its way onto the 55 (12546)
12151 from the 56 has also made its way onto the 20
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Post by adl on Sept 3, 2024 16:27:08 GMT
RM appear to be struggling slightly with single deckers right now:
36602 - Last seen 31st August 2024
36603 - Last seen 23rd August 2024
36608 - Last seen 29th August 2024
37582 - Last seen 24th August 2024.
The 346 currently has 4/6 buses on it the other 2 that was on it came out of service at 9AM/12PM.
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