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Post by WH241 on Sept 3, 2024 16:35:06 GMT
Could that have been an old plan? Wonder why they would go to trouble of shifting all those buses around from RM and NS if they are not staying on the route? So what will happen to the 165 buses? Are they heading back to their intended route ? The W14 and 314 buses are not yet available, as the EVs are not here for those routes - So, that is the long term plan, but for the short term, the 165 is a reasonably easy donor... As to when it will all be put back together, depends on which buses and infrastructure are ready first - 314 or W13/W14 I must admit I have lost track of the recent moves. I had assumed the ex route W14 buses were heading to the 225 next year. |
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Post by DW221 on Sept 3, 2024 16:35:29 GMT
RM appear to be struggling slightly with single deckers right now: 36602 - Last seen 31st August 2024 36603 - Last seen 23rd August 2024 36608 - Last seen 29th August 2024 37582 - Last seen 24th August 2024. The 346 currently has 4/6 buses on it the other 2 that was on it came out of service at 9AM/12PM. I’ve been wondering the same thing as you, why is it that the 499 MMCs seemingly are less reliable than say their DD counterparts on the 498 or even the 165’s former YX68s? Doesnt really make sense to me. Ik every bus has issues but majority of the time its the 499 batch |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 3, 2024 16:37:35 GMT
. I wonder if TFL might have made the decision to convert the 165 to DDs for the next contract - and so Stagecoach decided to convert it early after seeing the tender spec (and changing plans for SD route allocations accordingly)? Though if the MMCs on the 310 are temporary, it would only be 12reg E200s in the long term, as the 65reg are intended for the 225. Well yeah if I’m honest I think plans changed at Stagecoach rather than the 314/W routes donating to the 310 and wonder if this changed partly as well due to the 225. The 225 is going to need 7 newer buses, the 12 reg literally aren’t much newer than I imagine Metroline would’ve offered the 17/68 reg however are much newer and I relelt can’t see TFL being that concerned about the same same type (E200) a couple of years younger not even that much younger, an MMC is a newer type and 5+ years newer. It should also be noted that the 165 also donated one of its spares 36665 to the 181. I mean another possibility would be they are using the 68 reg for a new tender on the 296, the 68 reg could do a short contract, Stagecoach could’ve easily just replaced the 3x 11 reg with a couple of spare E400s and they’ve given NS more MMCs than they’ve replaced. But Andy has confirmed in another post that the long term plan is for the 310 to use the ex route W14 / 314 buses. |
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Post by enviro498 on Sept 3, 2024 16:57:29 GMT
RM appear to be struggling slightly with single deckers right now: 36602 - Last seen 31st August 2024 36603 - Last seen 23rd August 2024 36608 - Last seen 29th August 2024 37582 - Last seen 24th August 2024. The 346 currently has 4/6 buses on it the other 2 that was on it came out of service at 9AM/12PM. 346 often has some tracking issues but I would say 99% of the time the buses do actually run. Drivers might also prefer to take out the 68 reg buses (if permitted to do so) on 499, maybe because they don’t have ISA. |
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Post by adl on Sept 3, 2024 17:19:20 GMT
RM appear to be struggling slightly with single deckers right now: 36602 - Last seen 31st August 2024 36603 - Last seen 23rd August 2024 36608 - Last seen 29th August 2024 37582 - Last seen 24th August 2024. The 346 currently has 4/6 buses on it the other 2 that was on it came out of service at 9AM/12PM. 346 often has some tracking issues but I would say 99% of the time the buses do actually run. Drivers might also prefer to take out the 68 reg buses (if permitted to do so) on 499, maybe because they don’t have ISA. I believe the buses mentioned are actually VOR, and a member of RM has before mentioned the unreliability of the 499 fleet not to mention I’m pretty sure 37526 is expected at NS but has been kept behind due to VOR buses, during its time off road I saw it on the forecourt at NS and then a few days later it had reappeared at RM on the 499. Also should be noted the 165 is now fully DD, yet 3 68 reg have remained behind and work the 499 and sometimes 346. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 3, 2024 17:38:25 GMT
RM appear to be struggling slightly with single deckers right now: 36602 - Last seen 31st August 2024 36603 - Last seen 23rd August 2024 36608 - Last seen 29th August 2024 37582 - Last seen 24th August 2024. The 346 currently has 4/6 buses on it the other 2 that was on it came out of service at 9AM/12PM. I’ve been wondering the same thing as you, why is it that the 499 MMCs seemingly are less reliable than say their DD counterparts on the 498 or even the 165’s former YX68s? Doesnt really make sense to me. Ik every bus has issues but majority of the time its the 499 batch Was the 499 one of the first batches of MMCs to enter service in the UK? As an early batch, there could be a few issues with them- they're also coming up to their 9th birthday so, in terms of London, they're getting on a bit |
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Post by adl on Sept 3, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
I’ve been wondering the same thing as you, why is it that the 499 MMCs seemingly are less reliable than say their DD counterparts on the 498 or even the 165’s former YX68s? Doesnt really make sense to me. Ik every bus has issues but majority of the time its the 499 batch Was the 499 one of the first batches of MMCs to enter service in the UK? As an early batch, there could be a few issues with them- they're also coming up to their 9th birthday so, in terms of London, they're getting on a bit Definitely was one of the first. I know there was 64 reg E400 MMCs but I don’t think there was any E200 MMCs with 64 reg, the 499 was the first if not one of the first to see MMCs. |
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Post by va59 on Sept 3, 2024 18:39:09 GMT
Yep, and the 57 above the other DD routes because it used Mes, EH295 and Camberwell night services extras - sorry for clogging the Stagecoach thread for this! Bringing this back with a tenuous link to Stagecoach- I don't think anything will beat the variety of vehicles Grey Green used to send out on the 20, 179 and 275, or what Ensign/Capital Citybus would sometimes put out on their Romford routes Oh my word, including the single deck on Sundays, Grey-Green used no less than 11 different types of buses on the route. Not doubt did the same on the 20 bus as the 275 was on my doorstep I would spot countless DD types - well, 11. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 3, 2024 19:57:22 GMT
Bringing this back with a tenuous link to Stagecoach- I don't think anything will beat the variety of vehicles Grey Green used to send out on the 20, 179 and 275, or what Ensign/Capital Citybus would sometimes put out on their Romford routes Oh my word, including the single deck on Sundays, Grey-Green used no less than 11 different types of buses on the route. Not doubt did the same on the 20 bus as the 275 was on my doorstep I would spot countless DD types - well, 11. One of the best places to wait for a 179 was Cowslip Road in South Woodford- you literally had no idea what would come round the corner. If you was (really) lucky it would be a Scania K92 or Lynx. |
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Post by andyc on Sept 3, 2024 21:14:23 GMT
346 often has some tracking issues but I would say 99% of the time the buses do actually run. Drivers might also prefer to take out the 68 reg buses (if permitted to do so) on 499, maybe because they don’t have ISA. I believe the buses mentioned are actually VOR, and a member of RM has before mentioned the unreliability of the 499 fleet not to mention I’m pretty sure 37526 is expected at NS but has been kept behind due to VOR buses, during its time off road I saw it on the forecourt at NS and then a few days later it had reappeared at RM on the 499. Also should be noted the 165 is now fully DD, yet 3 68 reg have remained behind and work the 499 and sometimes 346. 37526 is not moving to NS - all the moves are now in place… |
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 3, 2024 21:25:24 GMT
I’ve been wondering the same thing as you, why is it that the 499 MMCs seemingly are less reliable than say their DD counterparts on the 498 or even the 165’s former YX68s? Doesnt really make sense to me. Ik every bus has issues but majority of the time its the 499 batch Was the 499 one of the first batches of MMCs to enter service in the UK? As an early batch, there could be a few issues with them- they're also coming up to their 9th birthday so, in terms of London, they're getting on a bit Yes, National Express West Midlands had their first few of their E200MMC's entered service before the 499 batch arrived and they also having a fair bit of issues with their batch from what I've heard, though it is to do with being a long 11.5m version with a small 4 cylinder engine and the fact a lot of them are being allocated to a route (4/4A Birmingham to Solihull) that should have double deckers. |
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Post by vlw92 on Sept 3, 2024 21:50:59 GMT
The only SL Route which is a LF Route is the SL7. I can surely tell you that the SL9 is a headway route. Whatever drivers tell you please dont actually listen too much. Most drivers are quite clueless as to how headways actually work. Its a 12 min service meaning its a HF Route For any of the younger members and a bit of a refresher for me: - DD routes are high frequency if they're 5bph during the day and 4bph nights & Sundays -SD routes are high frequency if they're 4bph daytimes and 3bph nights & Sundays Is this still the classification? Single or double doesnt really matter. Any service that has 4 buses or less in an hour is a LF route. 15 min head and above. Any service with more than 4 buses an hour for example 5 buses equaling 12 min service is deemed HF and headway is more important than kn time running. All HF Routes are defined as HF at all times including early morning and late evenings. Some routes may be 20 mins at night but are still monitored on HF regardless if the majority of the day it may be 6 buses an hour. Even on a Sunday 30 min service early morning, if the route is normally a HF during the week, it is still monitored as a HF route regardless of how early or late the buses are. All that matters is that they are spaced equally |
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Post by MKAY315 on Sept 3, 2024 22:13:54 GMT
Oh my word, including the single deck on Sundays, Grey-Green used no less than 11 different types of buses on the route. Not doubt did the same on the 20 bus as the 275 was on my doorstep I would spot countless DD types - well, 11. One of the best places to wait for a 179 was Cowslip Road in South Woodford- you literally had no idea what would come round the corner. If you was (really) lucky it would be a Scania K92 or Lynx. Talk about really bringing it back. Legendary times |
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Post by YX10FFN on Sept 3, 2024 22:22:02 GMT
310's changeover point is Golders Green. Bus to Hackney Central, Overground to Camden Road, Northern to Golders Green- quite a trek for drivers! Another interesting one is W9's changeover point is Chase Farm Hospital.
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Post by yunus on Sept 3, 2024 22:23:46 GMT
One of the best places to wait for a 179 was Cowslip Road in South Woodford- you literally had no idea what would come round the corner. If you was (really) lucky it would be a Scania K92 or Lynx. Talk about really bringing it back. Legendary times Ahh talking about Woodford, when the N55 replaced the N8 to the Wells I remember waiting for it comes and at times hoped a Red Pole TA would come! Then again before early 2015 when the route converted to horrible LTs you it was mixed with Scanias. This the power of nostalgia... |
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