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Post by enviroPB on Sept 3, 2024 22:40:21 GMT
For any of the younger members and a bit of a refresher for me: - DD routes are high frequency if they're 5bph during the day and 4bph nights & Sundays -SD routes are high frequency if they're 4bph daytimes and 3bph nights & Sundays Is this still the classification? Single or double doesnt really matter. Any service that has 4 buses or less in an hour is a LF route. 15 min head and above. Any service with more than 4 buses an hour for example 5 buses equaling 12 min service is deemed HF and headway is more important than kn time running. All HF Routes are defined as HF at all times including early morning and late evenings. Some routes may be 20 mins at night but are still monitored on HF regardless if the majority of the day it may be 6 buses an hour. Even on a Sunday 30 min service early morning, if the route is normally a HF during the week, it is still monitored as a HF route regardless of how early or late the buses are. All that matters is that they are spaced equally Muchos gracias para la información.  |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Sept 4, 2024 1:04:27 GMT
346 often has some tracking issues but I would say 99% of the time the buses do actually run. Drivers might also prefer to take out the 68 reg buses (if permitted to do so) on 499, maybe because they don’t have ISA. I believe the buses mentioned are actually VOR, and a member of RM has before mentioned the unreliability of the 499 fleet not to mention I’m pretty sure 37526 is expected at NS but has been kept behind due to VOR buses, during its time off road I saw it on the forecourt at NS and then a few days later it had reappeared at RM on the 499. Also should be noted the 165 is now fully DD, yet 3 68 reg have remained behind and work the 499 and sometimes 346. You might have seen it at NS either for MOT or for the 499 breaks of an evening which are taken at NS. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2024 1:39:39 GMT
310's changeover point is Golders Green. Bus to Hackney Central, Overground to Camden Road, Northern to Golders Green- quite a trek for drivers! Another interesting one is W9's changeover point is Chase Farm Hospital. Would be quicker getting a 55 to Old Street then Northern line from there. |
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Post by lonmark on Sept 4, 2024 8:01:22 GMT
310's changeover point is Golders Green. Bus to Hackney Central, Overground to Camden Road, Northern to Golders Green- quite a trek for drivers! Another interesting one is W9's changeover point is Chase Farm Hospital. Would be quicker getting a 55 to Old Street then Northern line from there. This is very inspiring. I checked the timetables on both the 55 and Northern Line. Both take about 20 minutes, so they take about 40-45 minutes to travel. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 4, 2024 8:47:36 GMT
310's changeover point is Golders Green. Bus to Hackney Central, Overground to Camden Road, Northern to Golders Green- quite a trek for drivers! Another interesting one is W9's changeover point is Chase Farm Hospital. I wonder why they don't just take the Overground directly from Cambridge Heath to Stamford Hill? Or even the 254? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 4, 2024 11:04:57 GMT
310's changeover point is Golders Green. Bus to Hackney Central, Overground to Camden Road, Northern to Golders Green- quite a trek for drivers! Another interesting one is W9's changeover point is Chase Farm Hospital. I wonder why they don't just take the Overground directly from Cambridge Heath to Stamford Hill? Or even the 254? Down to meal relief facilities. Maybe Stagecoach did not ask or get an agreement in place to use Arriva facilities at Stamford Hill garage. |
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Post by adl on Sept 4, 2024 12:25:43 GMT
Not sure what’s happening on the 193 today, one just terminated at Romford Station and 3 running to the hospital, there’s also 3 together at Hornchurch judging by LVF, one turning at Bevan Way.
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Post by lonmark on Sept 4, 2024 13:57:32 GMT
Not sure what’s happening on the 193 today, one just terminated at Romford Station and 3 running to the hospital, there’s also 3 together at Hornchurch judging by LVF, one turning at Bevan Way. Have you check on the traffic live map? I found the reason why is because of road work at Hornchuch road. click here |
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Post by adl on Sept 4, 2024 14:21:21 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards.
The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind.
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Post by adl on Sept 4, 2024 14:23:08 GMT
Not sure what’s happening on the 193 today, one just terminated at Romford Station and 3 running to the hospital, there’s also 3 together at Hornchurch judging by LVF, one turning at Bevan Way. Have you check on the traffic live map? I found the reason why is because of road work at Hornchuch road. click hereCan’t say I did, I haven’t really seen this before. |
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Post by abellion on Sept 4, 2024 15:08:44 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. I rode the U3 a few times and another routes nearby for the Tridents and I noticed that the loadings were very high going into Heathrow, for instance downstairs would get packed + lots of luggage and then upstairs most seats were taken so I think that’s another mid-contract DD conversion which could be kept |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 4, 2024 15:20:45 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. Probably can't justify keeping an entire route DD because of school loadings in the PM. Pretty much any route that passes a school has this issue but it will require suitable loadings around the clock to justify in most cases. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 4, 2024 15:24:17 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. I rode the U3 a few times and another routes nearby for the Tridents and I noticed that the loadings were very high going into Heathrow, for instance downstairs would get packed + lots of luggage and then upstairs most seats were taken so I think that’s another mid-contract DD conversion which could be kept Tbh once a route converts to deckers whatever the circumstances they never go back, as it usually boosts loadings. I can’t think of an example there DD routes have gone back to single deckers except for the low floor buses in the 2000s like the 183, 257 etc |
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Post by idk123 on Sept 4, 2024 15:24:33 GMT
37772 is now back from refurbishment on the 394 keeping the TFL moquette but now has orange poles
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Post by vjaska on Sept 4, 2024 15:37:39 GMT
I rode the U3 a few times and another routes nearby for the Tridents and I noticed that the loadings were very high going into Heathrow, for instance downstairs would get packed + lots of luggage and then upstairs most seats were taken so I think that’s another mid-contract DD conversion which could be kept Tbh once a route converts to deckers whatever the circumstances they never go back, as it usually boosts loadings. I can’t think of an example there DD routes have gone back to single deckers except for the low floor buses in the 2000s like the 183, 257 etc The 95 & 132 both did have full double deck allocations that then reverted to single deckers long after the period you referenced. The 95 dropped to Marshalls around 2009 IIRC and remained single decker whilst the 132 was demoted from VWL's to DWL's around the mid to late 00's but has since been drastically boosted through frequency changes and a double deck conversion. The H50 & 350 have switched between double deckers and single deckers a few times - when H50 became 350 (H50 did have Gemini B7TL's, new 350 had Enviro 200's) and when the 350 & U5 switched around (350 lost it's MMC's to the U5 and gained Enviro 200's back). |
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