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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 4, 2024 16:17:09 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. Would you not just create a 165D instead which runs using a double deck? |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 4, 2024 16:19:21 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. Would you not just create a 165D instead which runs using a double deck? Could be more economical to just deck the whole service? I think a 371 style service could work also, two targeted DD workings and rest SD. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Sept 4, 2024 16:45:42 GMT
37772 is now back from refurbishment on the 394 keeping the TFL moquette but now has orange poles Honestly one of the only things I dislike about Stagecoach. The refurbishments on the buses are SO inconsistent. - You'll see MMCs at Romford getting grey leather seating, massive Stagecoach logos at the back. - You'll also see 135 G3s being driven around with green headrails and orange poles. - You'll also see an Enviro 400 City at HK with grey leather seating and orange poles. - But you'll also see an Enviro 400 City being perfectly refurbished with priority seating and gold handrails, AS IT SHOULD BE. - And you'll also see E400 MMCs being refurbished with the Stagecoach interior again despite Stagecoach moving away from this at WH. I understand how the ex TT buses are not getting TFL interiors or the old Stagecoach interior as the logo is not the same as the new logo, hence the grey leather seating, but why do the hybrid MMCs need them, or the CT plus buses? It's like they no longer care about how their buses are presented. Though I would much rather take a Stagecoach bus with the most tacky interiors, such as the 56 hybrids with the blue Stagecoach moquette, over a T or ENL/X with Arriva or perhaps the Floptare Solos with CT Plus. |
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 4, 2024 16:58:52 GMT
37772 is now back from refurbishment on the 394 keeping the TFL moquette but now has orange poles Honestly one of the only things I dislike about Stagecoach. The refurbishments on the buses are SO inconsistent. - You'll see MMCs at Romford getting grey leather seating, massive Stagecoach logos at the back. - You'll also see 135 G3s being driven around with green headrails and orange poles. - You'll also see an Enviro 400 City at HK with grey leather seating and orange poles. - But you'll also see an Enviro 400 City being perfectly refurbished with priority seating and gold handrails, AS IT SHOULD BE. - And you'll also see E400 MMCs being refurbished with the Stagecoach interior again despite Stagecoach moving away from this at WH. I understand how the ex TT buses are not getting TFL interiors or the old Stagecoach interior as the logo is not the same as the new logo, hence the grey leather seating, but why do the hybrid MMCs need them, or the CT plus buses? It's like they no longer care about how their buses are presented. Though I would much rather take a Stagecoach bus with the most tacky interiors, such as the 56 hybrids with the blue Stagecoach moquette, over a T or ENL/X with Arriva or perhaps the Floptare Solos with CT Plus. Stagecoach has not specified moquette on new deliveries outside London for some time now (certainly pre-pandemic). Maybe this is why they started refurbishing London stock with e-leather. Hopefully, TfL have cracked down on this and refurbs will now receive the same TfL moquette as new deliveries. |
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Post by adl on Sept 4, 2024 18:04:02 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. Would you not just create a 165D instead which runs using a double deck? No, the 165 is busy throughout the whole day, it barely manages single during the daytime and does not manage singles during peaks is what im trying to get at. Passing Romford Station-Market, Elm Park Station then hotspots such as Rainham Tesco, Hornchurch Town Centre, Abbey Wood Estate then you add on top of this it passes 2 colleges that have students finishing various different times and passes/is in very close distance to multiple schools. |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 4, 2024 18:20:25 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. I've deliberately gone to Elm Park since last week via bus to make my own observations, much to my mates' annoyance! Be it 6am or 6pm, loadings on the 165 have definitely justified DDs, but that's something you and I both know already. What other members confuse suburban route 165 for is that it traverses busy travel corridors namely Rainham- Hornchurch, and is often the only choice of bus route to certain destinations. It is also often the most frequent route on these sections, so delays with dwell times certainly adds up. It's not a case of build it and they will come- it is more ¨took them long enough¨ as a couple 165 passengers commented on when noticing more double deckers on the route. I will write up a report rather soon, but I've personally known the 165 needed deckers since Covid when passengers were easily filling out both decks. |
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Post by lonmark on Sept 4, 2024 18:33:34 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. I've deliberately gone to Elm Park since last week via bus to make my own observations, much to my mates' annoyance! Be it 6am or 6pm, loadings on the 165 have definitely justified DDs, but that's something you and I both know already. What other members confuse suburban route 165 for is that it traverses busy travel corridors namely Rainham- Hornchurch, and is often the only choice of bus route to certain destinations. It is also often the most frequent route on these sections, so delays with dwell times certainly adds up. It's not a case of build it and they will come- it is more ¨took them long enough¨ as a couple 165 passengers commented on when noticing more double deckers on the route. I will write up a report rather soon, but I've personally known the 165 needed deckers since Covid when passengers were easily filling out both decks. quite interesting for this route 165 history. |
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Post by adl on Sept 4, 2024 19:06:07 GMT
On a seperate note, the France’s Barnsley kids are making full use of the double decks on route 165, the top and lower saloon are ful, standing on both upper and lower and some are sitting on each others laps, there is another 165 seen on the opposite side with trundle scenario. The 165 was already fully seated upper deck and down at Rainham Tesco I imagine the next few 165s will be the same as the Frances Barnsley bus stop had a queue going into the school and it the 165 also passes Rainham Village School, a college in Rainham (Which keeps the route busy all day), you generally get people from Emerson Park & Campion School where it passes the 650/649 at Parkstone Avenue , Abbs Cross Academy, on top of the regular passengers which are higher from 3PM onwards. The route was busy during school holidays but outside of holidays the route is 10x busier, looking forward to seeing how TFL are going to justify reverting it to single deck operation as currently it’s not limited to a single decker passenger numbers over the next however many months will increase as the 165s aren’t having to constantly drive past people leaving them behind. I've deliberately gone to Elm Park since last week via bus to make my own observations, much to my mates' annoyance! Be it 6am or 6pm, loadings on the 165 have definitely justified DDs, but that's something you and I both know already. What other members confuse suburban route 165 for is that it traverses busy travel corridors namely Rainham- Hornchurch, and is often the only choice of bus route to certain destinations. It is also often the most frequent route on these sections, so delays with dwell times certainly adds up. It's not a case of build it and they will come- it is more ¨took them long enough¨ as a couple 165 passengers commented on when noticing more double deckers on the route. I will write up a report rather soon, but I've personally known the 165 needed deckers since Covid when passengers were easily filling out both decks. Route 365/165 work hand in hand with each other in the Elm Park - South Hornchurch part whilst the 365 takes the passengers for the Orchard Village Estate and the 165 for Rainham Tesco and the Abbey Wood Estate supported by the 372, although I have noted more passengers onto the 165 now that its deckers I recall a few passengers saying they avoided the 165 like the plague when it was single decker and would rather wait 20 minutes for a 372 simply because of the route running packed to the brim buses. The funny thing about the 165i is as well that it picks up at the end of the route, I often thought it'd drop out by Rainham Tesco and the Tesco > Abbey Wood Lane part would be quiet but through my recent observations it actually gets another wave of people at the Tesco, it's like the bus empties then fills back up. I noted a comment a while back on here saying the 165 doesn't have any unique sections to itself, while this may be the case it is normally the most frequent or is a link to an area. Romford Brewery > Romford Station - [Routes 128, 193, 496) The 165 generally takes quite a load from here for people wanting to get into the station the Brewery Bus Station is in the Brewery Car Park area or passengers have to cross the busy main road to get to the Romford bound stop for the 128, 496 and 193. Romford Station > The Drill Roundabout - [Route.193 & 294] The 165 and 294 having equal PVRs and run around the same frequency, they go complete opposite ways upon arrival at The Drill, this short corridor also serves Francis Beardsley School and with the 165 being double deck the 294 & 165 take the hit in school time as the 193 are practically full passing the school anyways. The Drill Roundabout > Hornchurch Town Centre [Route 370 & Partially 256] The routes share a short corridor between the Drill / Parkstone Avenue & Hornchurch, this area has a 2 schools located in close proximity (Emerson Park Academy & Campion School) often you'll see students of these two schools change off the school bus onto a 165 as the 650/649 follow a different routing into Romford and there is also Emerson Park Station on this stretch. Hornchurch Town Center / Abbs Cross Lane > South Hornchurch, Cherry Tree Lane - [Routes 372 & 365] The 165 is the most frequent route on this corridor funny enough, the 365 being every 12-14 minutes and the 372 every 20 minutes, the 165 operates every 11-12 minutes. Since the route has been decked, the 372 is almost now a supporting route on this coirdoor and passengers take whichever comes first out of the 372/165, previously a lot of 165s would get to Elm Park and simply only let people off, they did not have capacity to let anyone on. Rainham, Dovers Corner - Abbey Wood Lane [Route 287] Again the 165 is the higher frequency route and the 165/287 come from completely different directions, the 287 serving Barking and the 165 serving Romford, Gidea Park, Hornchurch, Elm Park & South Hornchurch. Most observations were done in school holidays however I was out on route again today and things just seem 10x busier and even in the peak the decker I was on had to skip Elm Park Station and then due to the Francis Bardsley lot, we only let passengers off from there right through to Western Road. I hope TFL keep an eye on the route whilst it has deckers as I fear TFL are suppressing passenger numbers on a busy route with the single deckers. I do feel the 165/365 duo have got busier since covid as before covid the 365 carried a lot of fresh air but now you see full buses right the way through the day. |
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Post by adl on Sept 4, 2024 19:10:10 GMT
I've deliberately gone to Elm Park since last week via bus to make my own observations, much to my mates' annoyance! Be it 6am or 6pm, loadings on the 165 have definitely justified DDs, but that's something you and I both know already. What other members confuse suburban route 165 for is that it traverses busy travel corridors namely Rainham- Hornchurch, and is often the only choice of bus route to certain destinations. It is also often the most frequent route on these sections, so delays with dwell times certainly adds up. It's not a case of build it and they will come- it is more ¨took them long enough¨ as a couple 165 passengers commented on when noticing more double deckers on the route. I will write up a report rather soon, but I've personally known the 165 needed deckers since Covid when passengers were easily filling out both decks. quite interesting for this route 165 history. Yes, the 165 kind of got pushed to one side for its younger brother the 365 which was treated to double deckers but the 165 has proven in recent years its busy in its own right and not just there as a support route. |
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Post by yunus on Sept 4, 2024 21:43:36 GMT
When the infrastructure works begin at T for the 257, will any other route need moving out especially as the 20 runs from there now?
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Post by WH241 on Sept 4, 2024 21:44:53 GMT
When the infrastructure works begin at T for the 257, will any other route need moving out especially as the 20 runs from there now? Why would they? Other garages have had work undertaken without routes needing to move out. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 4, 2024 21:54:07 GMT
When the infrastructure works begin at T for the 257, will any other route need moving out especially as the 20 runs from there now? Why would they? Other garages have had work undertaken without routes needing to move out. Only because T is probably very full now and it’s well known that EV infrastructure reduces space in the garage, it’s certainly possible something has to be jettisoned (but unlikely imo) |
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Post by yunus on Sept 4, 2024 21:54:34 GMT
When the infrastructure works begin at T for the 257, will any other route need moving out especially as the 20 runs from there now? Why would they? Other garages have had work undertaken without routes needing to move out. True but T is not as large as other garages, space could be limited. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 4, 2024 21:58:57 GMT
Why would they? Other garages have had work undertaken without routes needing to move out. Only because T is probably very full now and it’s well known that EV infrastructure reduces space in the garage, it’s certainly possible something has to be jettisoned (but unlikely imo) All depends on upcoming tenders like the 55 and 56! Could end up with lots of space (unlikely to be lost but never say never). |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Sept 4, 2024 22:49:53 GMT
Work is now underway to add more charges for the 247. There’s at least 5 afaik being put in. Also 82057 is now at NS. Not sure whether for service but hopefully as that could possibly mean the last 19 (19818) be gone  |
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