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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 26, 2024 18:56:31 GMT
getting electrics from the 323 Believe it will be running from HK Starting from WH I believe and then moving to HK when the garage closes. This is assuming the tunnel opens first.....
I am surprised the 323 losing its current buses has not caused much speculation here. Stagecoach will need at least 4? electrics from somewhere...
Usually in similar arrangements, there would be a note in the tender result stating that new EVs would be ordered but diverted to another route (in this case the 323). So I wonder if there's a possibility that the 323 could be getting existing electrics from somewhere too? With Stagecoach choosing to use the non-standard BYDs for the cycle shuttle, since they wouldn't intermix anyway. Perhaps TFL are planning a small PVR cut for another route like the 276? Not suggesting this is a good idea as the 276 is a busy route, but other busy routes have seen frequency cuts in recent years. Also with the 276's BZLs now frequently appearing on other LI routes in the evenings, maybe there could just be a schedule change to utilise the fleet more efficiently with crosslinks etc, which may be possible when the W13/W14 convert to EVs too? Also depends on how many spares are on order for the W routes, though might still be a stretch to release 4 vehicles. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 26, 2024 18:58:00 GMT
Sounds quite silly, how are they going to police it if its free? It's for carrying cyclists and their bikes from one end of the tunnels to the other. Why would a casual passenger want to use it? Seats will be removed to create space for the bikes. Because it gets you from one side of the river to the other for free? If someone lives in Silvertown and works in the O2 then why wouldn't they use that bus? |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 26, 2024 19:09:16 GMT
I am going to sound negative but I do think the cycle bus is going to be a flop! Yes there might be demand around the peaks but outside of that I can see the buses carrying fresh air.
I am glad new buses are not being purchased and hopefully the conversion won't cost a huge amount.
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Post by LVF_Admin on Sept 26, 2024 19:22:40 GMT
I am going to sound negative but I do think the cycle bus is going to be a flop! Yes there might be demand around the peaks but outside of that I can see the buses carrying fresh air. I am glad new buses are not being purchased and hopefully the conversion won't cost a huge amount. I wonder if it will be staffed by volunteers cant think many will want to spend their days just driving mainly through a tunnel with the fumes |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 26, 2024 21:40:19 GMT
Just wondering, does anyone have any information about what the 323 will be getting, with its buses moving to the Silvertown Cycle Bus now? Will new electrics be ordered, or will some existing buses come from elsewhere?
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Sept 26, 2024 21:45:17 GMT
Also, are we just going to ignore the fact that a garage in Cambridge Heath are going to operate this route when the operator has garages in Plumstead, Barking and Bow 😆? Jokes aside, I am surprised Go-Ahead did not win this route— I imagine they didn’t bid perhaps?
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 26, 2024 22:05:22 GMT
I am going to sound negative but I do think the cycle bus is going to be a flop! Yes there might be demand around the peaks but outside of that I can see the buses carrying fresh air. I am glad new buses are not being purchased and hopefully the conversion won't cost a huge amount. I think TFL really need to look into passenger ferries to cross the Thames at various locations in East London. I'm sure there would be a lot of demand for pedestrians get across the river as well as cyclists, and ferries are a lot cheaper than constructing any form of bridge or tunnel. A ferry from Greenwich Peninsula to Silvertown would be quicker than the bus anyway, as it would cross over directly, rather than looping round to the tunnel portals. Plus taking into account the traffic congestion. In addition to the above (and the existing Woolwich Ferry) ideally they should be introduced at further locations, including Barking Riverside to Thamemead, and around the Isle of Dogs. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 26, 2024 22:06:44 GMT
It's for carrying cyclists and their bikes from one end of the tunnels to the other. Why would a casual passenger want to use it? Seats will be removed to create space for the bikes. Because it gets you from one side of the river to the other for free? If someone lives in Silvertown and works in the O2 then why wouldn't they use that bus? TFL would argue that there will be the 129 for that, but that means a £1.75 fare. Why should a regular passenger pay but not a cyclist? |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 26, 2024 22:40:05 GMT
Because it gets you from one side of the river to the other for free? If someone lives in Silvertown and works in the O2 then why wouldn't they use that bus? TFL would argue that there will be the 129 for that, but that means a £1.75 fare. Why should a regular passenger pay but not a cyclist? Where does it say that normal bus users can not use this service. Can't see anything in the consultation suggesting this |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 26, 2024 22:50:23 GMT
I am going to sound negative but I do think the cycle bus is going to be a flop! Yes there might be demand around the peaks but outside of that I can see the buses carrying fresh air. I am glad new buses are not being purchased and hopefully the conversion won't cost a huge amount. I think TFL really need to look into passenger ferries to cross the Thames at various locations in East London. I'm sure there would be a lot of demand for pedestrians get across the river as well as cyclists, and ferries are a lot cheaper than constructing any form of bridge or tunnel. A ferry from Greenwich Peninsula to Silvertown would be quicker than the bus anyway, as it would cross over directly, rather than looping round to the tunnel portals. Plus taking into account the traffic congestion. In addition to the above (and the existing Woolwich Ferry) ideally they should be introduced at further locations, including Barking Riverside to Thamemead, and around the Isle of Dogs. I will let them run the Woolwich ferry properly first |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2024 0:35:58 GMT
I think TFL really need to look into passenger ferries to cross the Thames at various locations in East London. I'm sure there would be a lot of demand for pedestrians get across the river as well as cyclists, and ferries are a lot cheaper than constructing any form of bridge or tunnel. A ferry from Greenwich Peninsula to Silvertown would be quicker than the bus anyway, as it would cross over directly, rather than looping round to the tunnel portals. Plus taking into account the traffic congestion. In addition to the above (and the existing Woolwich Ferry) ideally they should be introduced at further locations, including Barking Riverside to Thamemead, and around the Isle of Dogs. I will let them run the Woolwich ferry properly first You beat me to it - hasn't that one struggled to operate reliably for a long while now? |
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Post by cl54 on Sept 27, 2024 5:41:28 GMT
I think TFL really need to look into passenger ferries to cross the Thames at various locations in East London. I'm sure there would be a lot of demand for pedestrians get across the river as well as cyclists, and ferries are a lot cheaper than constructing any form of bridge or tunnel. A ferry from Greenwich Peninsula to Silvertown would be quicker than the bus anyway, as it would cross over directly, rather than looping round to the tunnel portals. Plus taking into account the traffic congestion. In addition to the above (and the existing Woolwich Ferry) ideally they should be introduced at further locations, including Barking Riverside to Thamemead, and around the Isle of Dogs. I will let them run the Woolwich ferry properly first The Woolwich Ferry has been running well for some time now. Both ferries are running with extended hours of operation. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 27, 2024 5:47:56 GMT
In addition to the above (and the existing Woolwich Ferry) ideally they should be introduced at further locations, including Barking Riverside to Thamemead, and around the Isle of Dogs. I have my doubts a Thamesmead to Barking ferry would work in isolation - it might work as part of an extension of the Clipper, but my feeling is very few people would want to cross the river at that point in either direction. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 27, 2024 5:48:42 GMT
I will let them run the Woolwich ferry properly first The Woolwich Ferry has been running well for some time now. Both ferries are running with extended hours of operation. Agree that it’s vastly improved in recent months - though as a pedestrian, I’d still rather use the DLR or the foot tunnel! |
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Post by mondraker275 on Sept 27, 2024 7:46:55 GMT
Still not got used to W12 buses (size, frequency, routing and destination) but I did notice that three were together at the Selborne Road stop (WB bound) with a couple of them having driver changes. Not a great place to have driver changes but probably changing there as the next stop outside the station is closed. Surely they could do it at the first stop on Church Hill?
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