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Post by andyc on Oct 5, 2024 19:32:11 GMT
With the two electrics transferring into RM could they form part of allocation for the tender renewal on the 287? They need a new permanent home unless they become general spares as more routes go electric at this garage. I know the 174 struggles with a full allocation of electrics so perhaps this is where they will stay. They are only loans to Rainham whilst the native vehicles have power conversions to their chargers They will then be done themselves and head back to PD for the 180. |
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Post by andyc on Oct 5, 2024 19:33:55 GMT
Will the 169, 247 & 287 be taking on BZLs or Electroliners? Think it has been confirmed but I do not seem to recall the answer. Someone said the 247 is using the 242's as a stop gap but now they're going south London I'm not sure what's happening as there has been no confirmed type There are enough to do both a loan to the 247 and the rest to the 47 - the 247 will get its own electroliners later… |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 5, 2024 19:54:55 GMT
Someone said the 247 is using the 242's as a stop gap but now they're going south London I'm not sure what's happening as there has been no confirmed type There are enough to do both a loan to the 247 and the rest to the 47 - the 247 will get its own electroliners later… Is the 247 confirmed to be getting Streetdecks? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2024 20:07:40 GMT
There are enough to do both a loan to the 247 and the rest to the 47 - the 247 will get its own electroliners later… Is the 247 confirmed to be getting Streetdecks? He works for Stagecoach and has been very reliable with his information thus far so if he says the 247 is to receive Electroliners, then expect that to happen. |
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Post by edvid on Oct 5, 2024 20:37:06 GMT
It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. In TfGM's Bus Strategy the targets are 50% ZE by 2027 and all-ZE by 2032. A bit like the government target for phasing out ICE cars by 2030 [...] Ending the sale of new ICE cars was revised back to 2035 last year. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 5, 2024 22:31:21 GMT
Someone said the 247 is using the 242's as a stop gap but now they're going south London I'm not sure what's happening as there has been no confirmed type There are enough to do both a loan to the 247 and the rest to the 47 - the 247 will get its own electroliners later… Could Electroliners possibly be used to cover for further refurbishments at LI for the VHs on the 135 etc? I've always wanted to see an electric on the 135 other than the BYD that went on it when it was still with Docklands Buses! |
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Post by Dad91 on Oct 6, 2024 0:45:21 GMT
There are enough to do both a loan to the 247 and the rest to the 47 - the 247 will get its own electroliners later… Could Electroliners possibly be used to cover for further refurbishments at LI for the VHs on the 135 etc? I've always wanted to see an electric on the 135 other than the BYD that went on it when it was still with Docklands Buses! didn't know 242 buses heading South London for 47 |
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Post by dace2 on Oct 6, 2024 7:43:39 GMT
However the flip side is if London didn't walk then the rest of the country wouldn't run. We would have nowhere near the tech now if we didn't go through the older tech first. Similarly, almost every technology is obsolete as soon as it enters production and service- if we didn't have the first generation of electric trains, for example, we wouldn't have the technology in electric trains we have now. That has been more of a production especially the third rail and overhead wires powering it with diesel trains coming out of the London Overground Class 172. Now London are trying to have a production of electrics. |
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Post by dace2 on Oct 6, 2024 12:08:05 GMT
Could Electroliners possibly be used to cover for further refurbishments at LI for the VHs on the 135 etc? I've always wanted to see an electric on the 135 other than the BYD that went on it when it was still with Docklands Buses! didn't know 242 buses heading South London for 47 TL is wired up and ready, compared to HK |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 6, 2024 13:06:03 GMT
didn't know 242 buses heading South London for 47 TL is wired up and ready, compared to HK I wonder if companies will start to think the benefit of installing chargers for an extra 15-20 buses outweighs the risk of installing chargers which might not, but probably will be needed. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 6, 2024 13:26:09 GMT
TL is wired up and ready, compared to HK I wonder if companies will start to think the benefit of installing chargers for an extra 15-20 buses outweighs the risk of installing chargers which might not, but probably will be needed. It would certainly make perfect sense to wire up extra capacity for the garage with the amount of routes coming out for tender and every garage needing to be electric eventually. And surely the sum of multiple works installing chargers will be greater than one large installation of the whole garage. But UK businesses are far too short sighted to think that far ahead |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 6, 2024 13:26:36 GMT
Someone said the 247 is using the 242's as a stop gap but now they're going south London I'm not sure what's happening as there has been no confirmed type There are enough to do both a loan to the 247 and the rest to the 47 - the 247 will get its own electroliners later… Would you happen to know if the 169 and 287 orders are of the same type? Will be interesting to see if Stagecoach have changed the types around for different routes all due buses around the same time. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 6, 2024 14:12:19 GMT
Manchester is still procuring diesel buses because it hasn't yet got the funding to only procure EVs, in addition to delivery timescales, not through ideological choices. It's also interesting to note they are procuring diesel vehicles with a Manchester lifespan of only 5 years given their public commitment to a 100% EV fleet by 2030. The 24 plate E400MMCs placed into service by Stagecoach are expected to leave GM within a year and be cascaded elsewhere within the company, 5 have already gone to Kent. Ive just seen some are at Kent already, makes you wonder why they even bothered with the Manchester interior if they’ve left after only a few months service. Do Stagecoach own them and were told to order them with a Manchester interior or do TfGM own them (and sold them to Stagecoach for their use? Not even sure a complete 2030 conversion is feasible in Manchester anyway. To wire up pretty much every depot in 5 years when it takes a single depot in London more than a year to do sometimes I don’t think will happen tbh. A bit like the government target for phasing out ICE cars by 2030, they can say it all they like but we all know feasibly it’s never going to happen. Nobody is proposing to phase out ICE cars but the ban on selling new ICE cars is on track. There are hardly any pure ICE cars for sale even in 2024. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 6, 2024 17:40:25 GMT
Think all this has been covered but copying across just in case.
LOTS News
Due to delays in installing charging equipment at Ash Grove (HK, for route 242) and Leyton (T, for route 257), some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS). Delivery of the batch for route 257 (82065-82082) has now started, while 82064 from the route 242 batch is now at Catford (TL) for driver training.
4. Further vehicles ordered by Stagecoach London are 11 Volvo BZL/MCV single-deckers for routes W13 and W14 (LI), to be 66090-66100, plus one Volvo BZL/MCV double-decker for the school working on route W13 (LI), to be 86226.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Oct 6, 2024 18:10:02 GMT
Think all this has been covered but copying across just in case. LOTS News Due to delays in installing charging equipment at Ash Grove (HK, for route 242) and Leyton (T, for route 257), some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS). Delivery of the batch for route 257 (82065-82082) has now started, while 82064 from the route 242 batch is now at Catford (TL) for driver training. 4. Further vehicles ordered by Stagecoach London are 11 Volvo BZL/MCV single-deckers for routes W13 and W14 (LI), to be 66090-66100, plus one Volvo BZL/MCV double-decker for the school working on route W13 (LI), to be 86226. So the 242 and 257 electroliners are being used to FULLY convert the 47/247? Assuming x9 for W13 with the last 2 for W14. Though I would have though they would carry on from the 314s batch of 66045-63, unless 66064-89 are occupied for operations outside London? |
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