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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2024 19:19:11 GMT
Think all this has been covered but copying across just in case. LOTS News Due to delays in installing charging equipment at Ash Grove (HK, for route 242) and Leyton (T, for route 257), some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS). Delivery of the batch for route 257 (82065-82082) has now started, while 82064 from the route 242 batch is now at Catford (TL) for driver training. 4. Further vehicles ordered by Stagecoach London are 11 Volvo BZL/MCV single-deckers for routes W13 and W14 (LI), to be 66090-66100, plus one Volvo BZL/MCV double-decker for the school working on route W13 (LI), to be 86226. So the 242 and 257 electroliners are being used to FULLY convert the 47/247? Assuming x9 for W13 with the last 2 for W14. Though I would have though they would carry on from the 314s batch of 66045-63, unless 66064-89 are occupied for operations outside London? I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. |
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Post by Dad91 on Oct 6, 2024 19:37:54 GMT
47 getting Electroliner for temporary what's going happened to E400mmc B5LH buses. Been better 128 to use Electroliner inter mix with 128 and 247 86 at NS
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Oct 6, 2024 19:39:55 GMT
So the 242 and 257 electroliners are being used to FULLY convert the 47/247? Assuming x9 for W13 with the last 2 for W14. Though I would have thought they would carry on from the 314s batch of 66045-63, unless 66064-89 are occupied for operations outside London? I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. Oh, didn’t catch that bit, my mistake. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 6, 2024 20:47:44 GMT
I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. Oh, didn’t catch that bit, my mistake. LOTS also confirmed the W13 and W14 are getting BZLs and a DD one for the W13. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 6, 2024 20:53:33 GMT
So the 242 and 257 electroliners are being used to FULLY convert the 47/247? Assuming x9 for W13 with the last 2 for W14. Though I would have though they would carry on from the 314s batch of 66045-63, unless 66064-89 are occupied for operations outside London? I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. It could be read that way, or it could be that the 47& 247 would not require all the Electroliners (I make it two spare), so just some of them will be required to convert the routes |
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Post by yunus on Oct 6, 2024 21:18:48 GMT
Oh, didn’t catch that bit, my mistake. LOTS also confirmed the W13 and W14 are getting BZLs and a DD one for the W13. BZLs already run on the W13 & W14 if I am correct? |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 6, 2024 21:20:10 GMT
LOTS also confirmed the W13 and W14 are getting BZLs and a DD one for the W13. BZLs already run on the W13 & W14 if I am correct? They just stray on the route. |
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Post by MMS2001 on Oct 6, 2024 22:15:39 GMT
I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. It could be read that way, or it could be that the 47& 247 would not require all the Electroliners (I make it two spare), so just some of them will be required to convert the routes I don't think they will be fully converting both routes to Electroliners as there won't be sufficient chargers. I think both garages can manage a few extra buses with the existing chargers but a full conversion would require more chargers to be installed which as we've come to learn is not a quick process. I believe Leccy86Hybrid said a while back that Romford were having 6 new chargers installed but I'm not sure if that's the definite plan. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 6, 2024 22:17:11 GMT
It could be read that way, or it could be that the 47& 247 would not require all the Electroliners (I make it two spare), so just some of them will be required to convert the routes I don't think they will be fully converting both routes to Electroliners as there won't be sufficient chargers. I think both garages can manage a few extra buses with the existing chargers but a full conversion would require more chargers to be installed which as we've come to learn is not a quick process. I believe Leccy86Hybrid said a while back that Romford were having 6 new chargers installed but I'm not sure if that's the definite plan. I'd assume it will only be a couple of the 47 to start refurbishments, and likewise, 6 on the 247 once the additional chargers are fitted |
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Post by adl on Oct 6, 2024 22:22:48 GMT
I don't think they will be fully converting both routes to Electroliners as there won't be sufficient chargers. I think both garages can manage a few extra buses with the existing chargers but a full conversion would require more chargers to be installed which as we've come to learn is not a quick process. I believe Leccy86Hybrid said a while back that Romford were having 6 new chargers installed but I'm not sure if that's the definite plan. I'd assume it will only be a couple of the 47 to start refurbishments, and likewise, 6 on the 247 once the additional chargers are fitted The 247 currently sees around 3 electroliners a day and there are 3 spares so if this an additional 6 to that, it’d be 9/11 buses electric. NS potentially having only need 6 extra for the 247 if there were more chargers than needed installed with the 86. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 7, 2024 8:28:26 GMT
So the 242 and 257 electroliners are being used to FULLY convert the 47/247? Assuming x9 for W13 with the last 2 for W14. Though I would have though they would carry on from the 314s batch of 66045-63, unless 66064-89 are occupied for operations outside London? I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. A couple of questions spring to mind: Firstly are Stagecoach swallowing the training costs themselves or are they billing them on to whoever promised that HK and T would be wired up by now? Secondly, why are they doing this and not just storing the Electroliners? The drivers for the 47 will have to be trained again if and when the route gets its own new EVs. Putting new buses into service does incur some costs, and now they will end up storing some different buses. Are EVs so much cheaper to run that the costs are worth it? Perhaps they will end up with a fleet reshuffle and order some more buses for 242/257. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 7, 2024 8:40:16 GMT
I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. A couple of questions spring to mind: Firstly are Stagecoach swallowing the training costs themselves or are they billing them on to whoever promised that HK and T would be wired up by now? Secondly, why are they doing this and not just storing the Electroliners? The drivers for the 47 will have to be trained again if and when the route gets its own new EVs. Putting new buses into service does incur some costs, and now they will end up storing some different buses. Are EVs so much cheaper to run that the costs are worth it? Perhaps they will end up with a fleet reshuffle and order some more buses for 242/257. I think most if not all drivers on the 47 have already had all the necessary training since the new buses for the 199 arrived. I guess it just makes more sense to have the buses in service than sat gathering dust? |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 7, 2024 8:48:38 GMT
I read it slightly different - it says "some of Stagecoach London's new Wright StreetDeck Electroliners are going to be temporarily redeployed to routes 47 (TL) and 247 (NS)" - to me, that means that both routes will have some sort of part allocation rather than a full conversion. A couple of questions spring to mind: Firstly are Stagecoach swallowing the training costs themselves or are they billing them on to whoever promised that HK and T would be wired up by now? Secondly, why are they doing this and not just storing the Electroliners? The drivers for the 47 will have to be trained again if and when the route gets its own new EVs. Putting new buses into service does incur some costs, and now they will end up storing some different buses. Are EVs so much cheaper to run that the costs are worth it? Perhaps they will end up with a fleet reshuffle and order some more buses for 242/257. The training costs wouldn't be that expensive- as somebody else has mentioned, some of the 47 drivers will already be type trained for them. The Electroliners are being used to release vehicles for refurbishment, so may as well use the Electroliners rather than transfer other hybrids in, like E400 hybrids. The EVs are not replacing the current allocation on the 47, and I doubt will be a full allocation on the 47. The same costs would have been incurred when the Metrocity EVs were used on the 124. If different EVs are ordered for the 47 in the future then type training would be required if different to the current allocation. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 7, 2024 9:22:09 GMT
A couple of questions spring to mind: Firstly are Stagecoach swallowing the training costs themselves or are they billing them on to whoever promised that HK and T would be wired up by now? Secondly, why are they doing this and not just storing the Electroliners? The drivers for the 47 will have to be trained again if and when the route gets its own new EVs. Putting new buses into service does incur some costs, and now they will end up storing some different buses. Are EVs so much cheaper to run that the costs are worth it? Perhaps they will end up with a fleet reshuffle and order some more buses for 242/257. The training costs wouldn't be that expensive- as somebody else has mentioned, some of the 47 drivers will already be type trained for them. The Electroliners are being used to release vehicles for refurbishment, so may as well use the Electroliners rather than transfer other hybrids in, like E400 hybrids. The EVs are not replacing the current allocation on the 47, and I doubt will be a full allocation on the 47. The same costs would have been incurred when the Metrocity EVs were used on the 124. If different EVs are ordered for the 47 in the future then type training would be required if different to the current allocation. If they are being used to release vehicles for refurbishment then it all makes perfect sense, thanks. |
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Post by dace2 on Oct 7, 2024 10:20:07 GMT
The training costs wouldn't be that expensive- as somebody else has mentioned, some of the 47 drivers will already be type trained for them. The Electroliners are being used to release vehicles for refurbishment, so may as well use the Electroliners rather than transfer other hybrids in, like E400 hybrids. The EVs are not replacing the current allocation on the 47, and I doubt will be a full allocation on the 47. The same costs would have been incurred when the Metrocity EVs were used on the 124. If different EVs are ordered for the 47 in the future then type training would be required if different to the current allocation. If they are being used to release vehicles for refurbishment then it all makes perfect sense, thanks. It has been said that is for refurbishment cover, espically for the 47. 247 can easily convert which is part of their contract renewal. |
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