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Post by Paul on Nov 5, 2024 9:19:07 GMT
Bit difficult for anything hybrid or electric to stray on to these routes when we don’t have anything suitable to do so! 😉 Although the 146 was a double decker route in the past….. On a more serious note though when the B14 electrics arrive I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a stray, maybe late at night. A late night rare stray isn’t beyond the realms of possibility at TB - that was usually the case when a Citaro appeared on the 61 |
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Post by atb123 on Nov 5, 2024 16:04:08 GMT
 Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly |
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Post by intro on Nov 5, 2024 16:06:30 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly Enviro 100EVs on the 314 might just be the worst idea I've read on this forum so far. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 5, 2024 16:07:16 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly I don't know if your joking or not but not only is it likely that the longer MCV's wouldn't be able to run around the W12 but why on earth should the 314 be subjected to 8.5m buses when it's been specified for years to have 10.2m minimum? |
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Post by lonmark on Nov 5, 2024 17:03:13 GMT
27th October 1972 route B1 run between Eltham and Bromley North via Elmstead Wood But peaks hour to Bickley instead of Bromley North for about 10 months before withdrawn on Peak to Bickley. (same as current 314) run by TB.
Finally, on 17th July 1990, route 314 took the whole of route B1 and onwards to New Addington via Hayes.
So I believe TB has had a longer record service for only route 314 (ex-B1) for 52 years.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 5, 2024 17:49:17 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly You do realise capacity issues are TfL's problem not the operator. Stagecoach are paid to provide the service as specified by TfL in the tender spec. There might be a swap of buses in the future but not guaranteed. As for the blinds this is common with LED displays to include other routes and Stagecoach did this even when using Smart / Manual blinds. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 5, 2024 19:15:20 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly I doubt the BZLs for the 314 would fit around the W12 considering the route is only cleared for 9.7m Enviro 200s. |
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Post by sam97 on Nov 5, 2024 21:21:10 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly I can vouch for W12 to get slightly longer buses, like 9.6m ones. But the 314 getting 8.5m buses is crazy. |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 5, 2024 21:26:46 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly What on earth did I just read 🤣 |
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Post by Dad91 on Nov 5, 2024 22:00:35 GMT
View Attachment Petition for W12 to use the Electric MCVs instead of 314 and W12s intended buses to go onto 314 to form a common allocation with the B14. The MCVs do have W12 on the blinds interestingly What on earth did I just read 🤣 let understand W12 getting BZL SDs and 314 getting E100mmc swapping buses |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 5, 2024 22:07:03 GMT
What on earth did I just read 🤣 let understand W12 getting BZL SDs and 314 getting E100mmc swapping buses I know what it says but I am more shocked at the idea being proposed. Why would you want to downgrade a route from 10.2m vehicles to 8.8m ones… Would love to see the punters faces and the complaints if this ever happened. The suggestion seems more like a selfish act than an actual solution Imo. Overall like the 233 shame that longer buses have not been specified. 9.6m vehicles would be more suitable for both 233 & W12. I remember when routes (291) 386 410 450 484 B13 P13 R11 were all once single door now all using dual door 9.6m sized vehicles these sized vehicles were also available in Dart SLF as the 100 had those when Stagecoach ran it. No different to the 233 & W12 which could potentially use them. I could add other routes since Low floor buses were introduced like the 380 C10 B12 B15 P5 now using dual door 10.2m once allocated 8.9m vehicles I am sure there are plenty more. |
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Post by yunus on Nov 5, 2024 22:32:49 GMT
Bit difficult for anything hybrid or electric to stray on to these routes when we don’t have anything suitable to do so! 😉 Although the 146 was a double decker route in the past….. On a more serious note though when the B14 electrics arrive I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a stray, maybe late at night. A late night rare stray isn’t beyond the realms of possibility at TB - that was usually the case when a Citaro appeared on the 61 Are the 146 & 336 restricted to single door buses? I was thinking if the 314s batch could stray? The 124 & 273 at TL can only use single door buses so will be interesting to see how it will work once the 225 joins running with dual door e200s. |
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Post by yunus on Nov 5, 2024 22:36:06 GMT
A tad surprised that AW have been stricter with their EVs over LI. Would of expected strays to happen on the W16 & W19 by now! Maybe it is due to the length of the W11s buses?
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 5, 2024 22:37:14 GMT
Bit difficult for anything hybrid or electric to stray on to these routes when we don’t have anything suitable to do so! 😉 Although the 146 was a double decker route in the past….. On a more serious note though when the B14 electrics arrive I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a stray, maybe late at night. A late night rare stray isn’t beyond the realms of possibility at TB - that was usually the case when a Citaro appeared on the 61 Are the 146 & 336 restricted to single door buses? I was thinking if the 314s batch could stray? The 124 & 273 at TL can only use single door buses so will be interesting to see how it will work once the 225 joins running with dual door e200s. Yes and if one was to even go on the 336 I imagine it would be immediately refused by multiple drivers. The only single decker route at TB to ever receive a stray from my knowledge from Route 314 has been Route 227. Route 225 will be no different to Routes 380 & P4 which were victimised for many years of 8.9m strays especially on Sundays P4 was definitely the worst offender and 178 when it was there but P4 was the worst… even worse under the Dart SLFs. I wouldn’t be shocked if the 181 273 284 fleet all gain new blinds with 225 to allow flexibility as KB fleet regularly float between KB & TL as a bonus the existing KB blinds shoved into the remaining 380 buses at PD that don’t have 181 & 284 on them... |
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Post by busoccultation on Nov 5, 2024 22:39:02 GMT
let understand W12 getting BZL SDs and 314 getting E100mmc swapping buses I know what it says but I am more shocked at the idea being proposed. Why would you want to downgrade a route from 10.2m vehicles to 8.8m ones… Would love to see the punters faces and the complaints if this ever happened. The suggestion seems more like a selfish act than an actual solution Imo. Overall like the 233 shame that longer buses have not been specified. 9.6m vehicles would be more suitable for both 233 & W12. I remember when routes (291) 386 410 450 484 B13 P13 R11 were all once single door now all using dual door 9.6m sized vehicles these sized vehicles were also available in Dart SLF as the 100 had those when Stagecoach ran it. No different to the 233 & W12 which could potentially use them. I could add other routes since Low floor buses were introduced like the 380 C10 B12 B15 P5 now using dual door 10.2m once allocated 8.9m vehicles I am sure there are plenty more. E6 is another good example of not only going from a single door allocation to a 10.2m dual door allocation, it also had two set of new buses within a space of a year to upgrade the route under Metroline with the short DES batch was ordered for the route in 2007 and then got new 10.2m DE's a year later with the DES's moving to PB for the 383/384. |
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