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Post by DT 11 on Sept 28, 2024 20:04:09 GMT
They are only human at of the day and we can all make mistakes. Both errors were corrected within a few hours. Londonbusroutes and TfL are also guilty of making mistakes. LOTS have been making small changes in recent TLB issues which makes things easier to read especially the transfers and tender awards. I never forgave Londonbusroutes for saying DWs were coming to the 242 in 2003, when it was DLAs instead  I am slowly letting go of the disappointment 21 years on  I’m surprised you didn’t create a News Article for this post  |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 28, 2024 20:11:14 GMT
I checked ES89 blinds, surprisingly no TH routes apart from 198 and it also has Norwood routes 😂 including 196 and 202 It is disappointing in this hi-tech age, you can not get all the garages destinations in one unit. Menu before selecting route, gives you chance to select garage. Also be just a single configuration file to change control. Good point however could potentially slow the system down. Someone uploaded the wrong USB to those buses and can be sorted out in no time. I do prefer the Smart blind’s selection system where you select a route and find the destinations for that route this new system has everything in one large pool. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Sept 28, 2024 20:22:45 GMT
It is disappointing in this hi-tech age, you can not get all the garages destinations in one unit. Menu before selecting route, gives you chance to select garage. Also be just a single configuration file to change control. Good point however could potentially slow the system down. Someone uploaded the wrong USB to those buses and can be sorted out in no time. I do prefer the Smart blind’s selection system where you select a route and find the destinations for that route this new system has everything in one large pool. General question for anyone in the know, could/will the new control units be integrated into the iBus 2 system with automatic syncing to trips (with a manual override just in case) or would that be too complex? |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 28, 2024 20:25:13 GMT
Good point however could potentially slow the system down. Someone uploaded the wrong USB to those buses and can be sorted out in no time. I do prefer the Smart blind’s selection system where you select a route and find the destinations for that route this new system has everything in one large pool. General question for anyone in the know, could/will the new control units be integrated into the iBus 2 system with automatic syncing to trips (with a manual override just in case) or would that be too complex? No idea and personally I would much prefer the blinds to be completely separate. Having everything integrated into one system is an accident waiting to happen because if it fails well the whole bus fails with it! |
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Post by lj61nwc on Sept 28, 2024 20:33:26 GMT
General question for anyone in the know, could/will the new control units be integrated into the iBus 2 system with automatic syncing to trips (with a manual override just in case) or would that be too complex? No idea and personally I would much prefer the blinds to be completely separate. Having everything integrated into one system is an accident waiting to happen because if it fails well the whole bus fails with it! That is true, the new PIS displays have been nothing but terrible in most cases, with inconsistent information, I've noticed the audio announcements tend to now fail along with the displays, with the gibberish mash up of stop names providing no helpful information alongside blank displays |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 28, 2024 20:36:03 GMT
No idea and personally I would much prefer the blinds to be completely separate. Having everything integrated into one system is an accident waiting to happen because if it fails well the whole bus fails with it! That is true, the new PIS displays have been nothing but terrible in most cases, with inconsistent information, I've noticed the audio announcements tend to now fail along with the displays, with the gibberish mash up of stop names providing no helpful information alongside blank displays I got on a 64 last week ES151 it just displayed 64 New Addington and nothing else… Even today I saw a 157 to Anerley Station pulled into the stand still showing 157 to Crystal Palace on the screen. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Sept 28, 2024 20:45:57 GMT
That is true, the new PIS displays have been nothing but terrible in most cases, with inconsistent information, I've noticed the audio announcements tend to now fail along with the displays, with the gibberish mash up of stop names providing no helpful information alongside blank displays I got on a 64 last week ES151 it just displayed 64 New Addington and nothing else… Even today I saw a 157 to Anerley Station pulled into the stand still showing 157 to Crystal Palace on the screen. I had a 72 plate on the 111 yesterday, visual displays were blank, audio announcements were a mix of N68 and mashed up stop names. The windows were fogged up as well so felt bad for those who weren't regulars on the route or those who can't access google maps to see which stop they were at/heading towards |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 28, 2024 20:51:56 GMT
I got on a 64 last week ES151 it just displayed 64 New Addington and nothing else… Even today I saw a 157 to Anerley Station pulled into the stand still showing 157 to Crystal Palace on the screen. I had a 72 plate on the 111 yesterday, visual displays were blank, audio announcements were a mix of N68 and mashed up stop names. The windows were fogged up as well so felt bad for those who weren't regulars on the route or those who can't access google maps to see which stop they were at/heading towards I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover Navaho and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 28, 2024 21:15:51 GMT
I had a 72 plate on the 111 yesterday, visual displays were blank, audio announcements were a mix of N68 and mashed up stop names. The windows were fogged up as well so felt bad for those who weren't regulars on the route or those who can't access google maps to see which stop they were at/heading towards I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken Generally, the screens on tbe 86 Electroliners have been working, but there's a few of them with jumbled audio announcements |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 28, 2024 21:44:06 GMT
I had a 72 plate on the 111 yesterday, visual displays were blank, audio announcements were a mix of N68 and mashed up stop names. The windows were fogged up as well so felt bad for those who weren't regulars on the route or those who can't access google maps to see which stop they were at/heading towards I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken So surely, the answer is just to improve the reliability of the new screens? IMO, the old screens are antiquated and are put to shame even by the screens on a lot of younger provincial buses - having used a refurbished HV, they look better in the space they're fitted into than the old screens did. It's not trying to fix something that isn't broken but merely to bring buses a bit more up to modern standards. If the provinces can fit modern screens that work, there is nothing stopping TfL. Same goes to the countdown screens - they are antiquated at this point and need updating - on a separate point, there also simply isn't enough across London especially when several stops had them and then were removed when the shelter was replaced. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Sept 28, 2024 21:45:20 GMT
I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken So surely, the answer is just to improve the reliability of the new screens? Thats the problem, TfL clearly aren't bothering, they've been having issues since they were first ever introduced on the 507/521 |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 28, 2024 22:00:56 GMT
I had a 72 plate on the 111 yesterday, visual displays were blank, audio announcements were a mix of N68 and mashed up stop names. The windows were fogged up as well so felt bad for those who weren't regulars on the route or those who can't access google maps to see which stop they were at/heading towards I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken I don't believe any of the interior screens are Hanover Screens, they're all Mobitec which would explain their shocking reliability (but interestingly, weren't the old dot matrix ones Hanover displays?) I'll also have to take a hard disagree there on the old screens, they are certainly antiquated and are completely inadequate for the job with the information that is now available to display. If iBus has the ability to tell people on the bus the arrival times of the trains at a station the bus is approaching then it should. This very much makes the old iBus screens broken as they do not display information that is now expected as a necessity. I'd probably even go as far as saying that there should be a 2008 style push to actively replace all the old dot matrix screens on buses. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 28, 2024 22:05:19 GMT
I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken So surely, the answer is just to improve the reliability of the new screens? IMO, the old screens are antiquated and are put to shame even by the screens on a lot of younger provincial buses - having used a refurbished HV, they look better in the space they're fitted into than the old screens did. It's not trying to fix something that isn't broken but merely to bring buses a bit more up to modern standards. If the provinces can fit modern screens that work, there is nothing stopping TfL. Same goes to the countdown screens - they are antiquated at this point and need updating - on a separate point, there also simply isn't enough across London especially when several stops had them and then were removed when the shelter was replaced. I guess we have different opinions on this but I don’t share that opinion some of the newest (if not the newest) vehicles in London to have these traditional ibus screens are the 22-reg BCEs/BDEs on the SL10, 142 and 183, and the Stagecoach (ex TT/HCT) MetroCities. Also up in Manchester Stagecoach have the same unit of orange dot matrix screens (obviously programmed differently though) on some various 2023 23/73-reg E400 MMCs, and I don’t think they look out of place or old on any of these vehicles, still look perfectly modern imo. I do agree with your point though that if they can be reliable, then their greater versatility means they should be replaced. But for now I personally still believe they’re inferior with the issues they’re having |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 28, 2024 22:13:39 GMT
I’ve also found the general reliability of these new interior LCD iBus screens to be shocking. Both the Hanover and the Mobitec ones. They need to go back to the far superior traditional dot matrix displays imo. They have occasional issues obviously but far more reliable on the whole. I know some think they’re a bit dated, yes they’ve been going for a long time now. But I don’t think they’re antiquated, they don’t look out of place in newer buses imo and you shouldn’t try and fix what isn’t broken I don't believe any of the interior screens are Hanover Screens, they're all Mobitec which would explain their shocking reliability (but interestingly, weren't the old dot matrix ones Hanover displays?) I'll also have to take a hard disagree there on the old screens, they are certainly antiquated and are completely inadequate for the job with the information that is now available to display. If iBus has the ability to tell people on the bus the arrival times of the trains at a station the bus is approaching then it should. This very much makes the old iBus screens broken as they do not display information that is now expected as a necessity. I'd probably even go as far as saying that there should be a 2008 style push to actively replace all the old dot matrix screens on buses. Happy to be corrected, but pretty sure the ones with the versatile displays that say ‘x minutes to a station’ are Hanover, like on Abellio Electroliner and GAL Ee’s. There was a dodgy one that on a GAL Ee was stuck on like a start up screen with the Hanover logo. The ones for example on the Stagecoach Metroline and Arriva Electroliners are definitely Mobitec. When the Stagecoach ones were dodgy to start with they said ‘McKenna brothers’ on them at some point. The exterior and interior screens tend to come in a pair. If the bus has Hanover screens on the outside then it has Hanover iBus screens on the inside, vice versa with Mobitecs. The only batch of vehicles I can think of where they have different ones are the TUK BYDs with the Mobitecs on the outer screens, but with those advanced Hanover interior screens. The rest match iirc EDIT: My first statement is incorrect. These new more advanced screens found on GALs buses are actually by a company called ‘Navaho’, as seen by this faulty screen on a TUK Kite (not my video) youtube.com/shorts/IHWmuU0--vs?si=dKGEWnn5QuMaTbQ3 … the fault I referred to further up was on the S2 back in March, SEe307 was brand new and the iBus screen was displaying this fault |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 28, 2024 22:19:40 GMT
I don't believe any of the interior screens are Hanover Screens, they're all Mobitec which would explain their shocking reliability (but interestingly, weren't the old dot matrix ones Hanover displays?) I'll also have to take a hard disagree there on the old screens, they are certainly antiquated and are completely inadequate for the job with the information that is now available to display. If iBus has the ability to tell people on the bus the arrival times of the trains at a station the bus is approaching then it should. This very much makes the old iBus screens broken as they do not display information that is now expected as a necessity. I'd probably even go as far as saying that there should be a 2008 style push to actively replace all the old dot matrix screens on buses. Happy to be corrected, but pretty sure the ones with the versatile displays that say ‘x minutes to a station’ are Hanover, like on Abellio Electroliner and GAL Ee’s. There was a dodgy one that on a GAL Ee was stuck on like a start up screen with the Hanover logo. The ones for example on the Stagecoach Metroline and Arriva Electroliners are definitely Mobitec. When the Stagecoach ones were dodgy to start with they said ‘McKenna brothers’ on them at some point. The exterior and interior screens tend to come in a pair. If the bus has Hanover screens on the outside then it has Hanover iBus screens on the inside, vice versa with Mobitecs. The only batch of vehicles I can think of where they have different ones are the TUK BYDs with the Mobitecs on the outer screens, but with those advanced Hanover interior screens. The rest match iirc I don't believe that it's the case where the external and internal ones have to match. They are both procured separately. The actual programme setting is done by the operator which is why they all differ by operator instead of bus and external display type. |
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I am slowly letting go of the disappointment 21 years on 
