CustomTransport277
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Post by CustomTransport277 on Nov 13, 2024 0:03:37 GMT
Arriva have ordered 30 ADL Enviro400EVs for routes 196 and SL6, as per LOTS. I know I’m late in saying this but I really like how the electric orders with Arriva keep differentiating at times, just like with other companies such as Metroline and Stagecoach for instance. An example of this is when the Waterloo-Tottenham corridor routes 243 and 341 had their contracts retained with brand new electric buses last year, I’m very sure that many people predicted them to receive the obvious choice of more Electroliners, following on from previous AL routes that got electrified but instead the more exciting news of another bus type, this time in the form of BZLs was confirmed for those two routes and that’s why I’m very interested to find out what South Croydon (TC) decide to have in mind for their orders of additional new electric buses that the upcoming routes from one of the previous tranches will receive next year. Though it is disappointing for me that the North London routes are getting the BD11 body type, instead of the stylised E400 EVs just like down south at Norwood (N), as I personally like to visit areas on that side of London more, however my opinion on the BD11s could be more positive if they’ll have the bright green lighting fitted inside, just like on the GAL fleet. Unlike Go-Ahead, this company including the aforementioned above is definitely a box of chocolates when it comes to finding out about what certain bus type will be decided for new electric allocations in London.  |
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CustomTransport277
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Your local transport enthusiast who is based in Greater London
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Post by CustomTransport277 on Nov 13, 2024 0:07:02 GMT
Three different types ordered by Arriva London is interesting - will create some variety in the double decker fleet. interesting type buses fleets for Arriva London cross London. We see what buses 123 gets if is retained my card be Electroliner or BZL also BD11 I’m not too hopeful but when the new BZLs enter service at Tottenham (AR), I would really love to see one pop up at some point on the 123, as that’s my favourite route in London and would be very interesting to see how it’ll perform along the A406, compared to the existing DB300 diesel fleet. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2024 0:21:42 GMT
I'm conflicted on the order for N - whilst variety is always a good thing, I'm not a fan aesthetic wise of the new Enviro 400 having seen it twice in the flesh though at least the downstairs rear issue has been sorted on the new models judging by the demo that was at TB. This sounds crazy now having got used to it, but I also really disliked the look of the MMC when it came out. But now it’s aged like fine wine. Hopefully it’ll grow on you in time  I understand why people think it’s over styled though even though personally I love it I liked the MMC from the off and the City grew on me a lot but I don't like buses with short front windows upstairs - I know it's very nit picky but it's the thing that annoys me with the Metrodecker as well. I also think the shape of the new Enviro 400 is a bit off too. I have to admit, none of the new electrics has fully won me over styling wise. Whilst riding an Electroliner has made them my preferred choice of electric double decker, the Electroliner aesthetically, whilst improving the bottom part of the front and the rear IMO, I still don't like the windows on the sides or the top part of the front of the bus. I don't like the MCV double decker at all (unlike the single decker) and whilst the BYD BD11 has slightly grown on me to at least not be a MCV, I'm still unsure how much I will really like it. |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 13, 2024 5:15:55 GMT
Beddington is looking very empty today, EMCs have departed leaving a T and two SLSs behind Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever...  |
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Post by cybermike137 on Nov 13, 2024 8:25:28 GMT
Beddington is looking very empty today, EMCs have departed leaving a T and two SLSs behind Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever... As far as I am aware, there are no chargers at Beddington, I don't think the ES will be stored there |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 13, 2024 8:28:00 GMT
Beddington is looking very empty today, EMCs have departed leaving a T and two SLSs behind Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever... BristolRE said around Christmas for the 279 so there’s a bit of time yet |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2024 8:32:31 GMT
Beddington is looking very empty today, EMCs have departed leaving a T and two SLSs behind Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever... I thought it had been said 2025 for the 279 on here but I might be wrong. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 13, 2024 8:38:28 GMT
Beddington is looking very empty today, EMCs have departed leaving a T and two SLSs behind Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever... Chargers aren't required to store EVs at a site, as long as it has a bit of juice left in the bus by the time it reaches it's fine, it can always go ten minutes down the road to TH for a top up if needs be. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 13, 2024 8:57:49 GMT
Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever... Chargers aren't required to store EVs at a site, as long as it has a bit of juice left in the bus by the time it reaches it's fine, it can always go ten minutes down the road to TH for a top up if needs be. They can always use portable chargers as well. I know TfL don’t allow their usage for in-service vehicles but may for vehicle movements for unused vehicles. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 13, 2024 11:33:59 GMT
This sounds crazy now having got used to it, but I also really disliked the look of the MMC when it came out. But now it’s aged like fine wine. Hopefully it’ll grow on you in time I understand why people think it’s over styled though even though personally I love it I liked the MMC from the off and the City grew on me a lot but I don't like buses with short front windows upstairs - I know it's very nit picky but it's the thing that annoys me with the Metrodecker as well. I also think the shape of the new Enviro 400 is a bit off too. I have to admit, none of the new electrics has fully won me over styling wise. Whilst riding an Electroliner has made them my preferred choice of electric double decker, the Electroliner aesthetically, whilst improving the bottom part of the front and the rear IMO, I still don't like the windows on the sides or the top part of the front of the bus. I don't like the MCV double decker at all (unlike the single decker) and whilst the BYD BD11 has slightly grown on me to at least not be a MCV, I'm still unsure how much I will really like it. Think one of the nicest looking buses at the Euro Bus Expo is the Transdev E400EV. But then can't imagine any bus looking awful in that livery, so maybe hiding it's flaws. Strangely the most photographed vehicle, at least on my twitter searches, seems to be the Karsan eJest minibus, not 100% sure why such a small, and not particularly attractive vehicle, would be getting so much attention. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 13, 2024 16:39:48 GMT
I liked the MMC from the off and the City grew on me a lot but I don't like buses with short front windows upstairs - I know it's very nit picky but it's the thing that annoys me with the Metrodecker as well. I also think the shape of the new Enviro 400 is a bit off too. I have to admit, none of the new electrics has fully won me over styling wise. Whilst riding an Electroliner has made them my preferred choice of electric double decker, the Electroliner aesthetically, whilst improving the bottom part of the front and the rear IMO, I still don't like the windows on the sides or the top part of the front of the bus. I don't like the MCV double decker at all (unlike the single decker) and whilst the BYD BD11 has slightly grown on me to at least not be a MCV, I'm still unsure how much I will really like it. Think one of the nicest looking buses at the Euro Bus Expo is the Transdev E400EV. But then can't imagine any bus looking awful in that livery, so maybe hiding it's flaws. Strangely the most photographed vehicle, at least on my twitter searches, seems to be the Karsan eJest minibus, not 100% sure why such a small, and not particularly attractive vehicle, would be getting so much attention. That livery has painted over the black uhhh fangs (for lack of a better word) that feature elsewhere between the windscreen and the bumper. Maybe that's what you might like about it?
Personally I think it looks great in the first place but yeah there's something particularly nice about the Transdev one displayed there.
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Post by mondraker275 on Nov 13, 2024 17:19:19 GMT
interesting type buses fleets for Arriva London cross London. We see what buses 123 gets if is retained my card be Electroliner or BZL also BD11 Judging by recent EV orders by Arriva, it seems like they tend to keep a single vehicle type for each garage. So I guess Arriva will order BZLs for the 123 if they retain it, so that it can share vehicles with the 41/243/341. Not sure what would stop the sharing of vehicles between 123 and the other routes whatever type 123 gets. Things may be considerably different in a year and there may be some info on how all bus types are performing. Additionally, you may make a bulk order with other routes they may win in the tranche and not think what does AR have. I also think we may be underestimating the skills of the engineers/garages to deal with different types. The order of thinking would probably be financial, followed by operational, and the order ends about 100 bullet points later with personal preference of enthusiasts. |
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Post by exbox on Nov 13, 2024 19:12:21 GMT
Judging by recent EV orders by Arriva, it seems like they tend to keep a single vehicle type for each garage. So I guess Arriva will order BZLs for the 123 if they retain it, so that it can share vehicles with the 41/243/341. Not sure what would stop the sharing of vehicles between 123 and the other routes whatever type 123 gets. Things may be considerably different in a year and there may be some info on how all bus types are performing. Additionally, you may make a bulk order with other routes they may win in the tranche and not think what does AR have. I also think we may be underestimating the skills of the engineers/garages to deal with different types. The order of thinking would probably be financial, followed by operational, and the order ends about 100 bullet points later with personal preference of enthusiasts. I’d be surprised if the engineers were allowed to touch any of the new EVs. Volvo will probably have an engineer dedicated to each garage who will visit each night to plug his laptop in if there are any issues. When I were a lad in the 80s the joke was that all an engineer needed to take to a roadside breakdown was a hammer and screwdriver and if neither solved the problem the tow truck was called. Now they just need a laptop. Driver training will prove the limiting factor as to whether they go on any other routes. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 13, 2024 23:34:35 GMT
Perhaps getting ready for all the electrics that are incoming. There may not be space around N and TC to store them all (is there any chargers there at Beddington?) Unless they start storing withdrawn buses there. Edmonton will start filling up with ex TH T's from the 217 plus DWs from Grays replaced by 61 reg Ts. The first of the BZLs will no doubt start arriving after January. I'm curious to know when the Elecroliners will start on the 279, if ever... I thought it had been said 2025 for the 279 on here but I might be wrong. Line chargers and other associated works are meant to be carried out next month in December. Although cannot 100% say there would be a full conversion or if any would be on the route before the year ends. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 13, 2024 23:36:41 GMT
I'm conflicted on the order for N - whilst variety is always a good thing, I'm not a fan aesthetic wise of the new Enviro 400 having seen it twice in the flesh though at least the downstairs rear issue has been sorted on the new models judging by the demo that was at TB. I think it is one of the best looking ones going. It reminds me so much of that concept for the Plaxton President was back in the mid 1990's which by the time it came out was well watered down. |
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I understand why people think it’s over styled though even though personally I love it
