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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2024 22:20:52 GMT
Could you give some reasons as to why your suggesting these changes so it helps everyone to understand the reasoning behind them? 149/242/308/425:The 242 is pretty convoluted around Homerton and it stop short of Liverpool Street since it's cutback.The backstreets of Homerton, Chatsworth Road,and Commercial Street can all gain a more frequent bus service than the current 242.Though for the 149, I'm unsure as it is one of the busiest routes in London,so maybe the 78 or 135 can be rerouted instead D6:I feel the route can be even more popular with an extension,and Newington Green is the perfect spot for it to go.It would provide a quicker journey time than the 236 would,and in it's current form it is a bit short (but useful) I'm a non local so take what I say with a pinch of salt but your ideas seem to do two things: 1) The 149 options I don't like - as you mention, this is a very busy route and links London Bridge to the A10 corridor 2) The 242 is convoluted on purpose - it's designed to serve the residential area immediately nearby Homerton Hospital and link them with both the hospital & Hackney. The route isn't too lengthy and so the convoluted routing doesn't particularly hold it back - what does is the constant chopping and changing of it's Central London end as well as the frequency drop it received. Arguably, the 308 being re-routed is no more convoluted than the 242 and breaks any links beyond Dalston Junction for current 242 users. |
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Post by Trafalgax on May 29, 2024 16:49:14 GMT
Some changes along the A10:
67: Restored to Aldgate via previous routing. - I don't Tfl should have changed this route as it already provided a link to Aldgate through the A10.
242: Rerouted from Aldgate to Vauxhall via A10, London Bridge, A3, E&C, A3204. - I'd say this would make a nice connection from the A10 to the A3. With the increase in usage between Shoreditch and E&C I think this would a good change supporting busy routes like the 35, 133 and 149. Either way, it's better than it’s current routing when you already have the 254 in Hackney.
349: Either extended to Dalston Junction to take 67s place or Clapton Pond. - I can imagine it would get good loading in either place.
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Post by COBO on May 29, 2024 21:28:37 GMT
14: extended from Russell Square to King’s Cross via route 91. Rerouted between Fulham Palace Road and Knightsbridge via route 220 to Hammersmith and 9 to Knightsbridge. Rerouted between Hyde Park Corner and Tottenham Court Road via 137 to Marble Arch, 7 to Oxford Circus and 73 to Tottenham Court Road. Withdrawn between Putney Bridge and Putney Heath. Basically it will involved in a complete reconstruction and to renumber the 414 into the 14. The reason for the reconstruction is to link Hammersmith with Oxford Circus. It’s also to cut down over bussing between KNIGHTSBRIDGE AND Fulham Palace Road that TfL deems unnecessary for some reason 😂
414: extended from Putney Bridge to Putney Heath via route 14. Withdrawn between Hyde Park Corner and Marble Arch. Diverted to Piccadilly Circus via route 14. Converted to a 24 hour service. This basically a renumbering of the current 14 to 414.
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Post by greg on May 29, 2024 23:23:40 GMT
14: extended from Russell Square to King’s Cross via route 91. Rerouted between Fulham Palace Road and Knightsbridge via route 220 to Hammersmith and 9 to Knightsbridge. Rerouted between Hyde Park Corner and Tottenham Court Road via 137 to Marble Arch, 7 to Oxford Circus and 73 to Tottenham Court Road. Withdrawn between Putney Bridge and Putney Heath. Basically it will involved in a complete reconstruction and to renumber the 414 into the 14. The reason for the reconstruction is to link Hammersmith with Oxford Circus. It’s also to cut down over bussing between KNIGHTSBRIDGE AND Fulham Palace Road that TfL deems unnecessary for some reason 😂 414: extended from Putney Bridge to Putney Heath via route 14. Withdrawn between Hyde Park Corner and Marble Arch. Diverted to Piccadilly Circus via route 14. Converted to a 24 hour service. This basically a renumbering of the 414 into 14. Possibly similar in length, but journey time on your reconstructed 14 will probably double, especially on that Fulham to Knightsbridge reroute. The current 14 route would be prioritised IMO on its current section. Decent set of changes, but Id keep the 14 as it is and reroute the 414 between Fulham Palace Road and Knightsbridge as you mentioned. Withdraw the 414 from Fulham Broadway to Putney though, and maybe you can extend it to OXO, especially since the 137 has been removed, and also there will be other routes on that routing to Putney that people can use, and the reroute will add extra journey time so. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 4, 2024 11:24:07 GMT
This morning a passenger was waiting for a 68 at Camberwell Green asking me how to get to Euston said to me the 68 isn’t running. The last 68 leaves St Julian’s Farm Road at 2345 then there is a unusual long gap the first N68 passes that same stop at 0105 although the 468 is still running the last bus leaves Croydon at 0024 with the N68 15 minutes behind. I advised him to get on my bus to Elephant & Castle this was around 1240 and get the 1 to Euston if it is still running, now when I got to Elephant & Castle I saw the N1 so had to say take the 176 to Aldwych and wait for the N91. Is there any demand to go to Euston as one thing I would say say is the link at night South of the river is missing although the N91 goes there perhaps the N68 could be diverted to Euston as is there really any need for the N1 188 N68 all going to Tottenham Court Road as at least the 188 went as far as Russell Square before the change.
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Post by greg on Jun 4, 2024 13:55:12 GMT
This morning a passenger was waiting for a 68 at Camberwell Green asking me how to get to Euston said to me the 68 isn’t running. The last 68 leaves St Julian’s Farm Road at 2345 then there is a unusual long gap the first N68 passes that same stop at 0105 although the 468 is still running the last bus leaves Croydon at 0024 with the N68 15 minutes behind. I advised him to get on my bus to Elephant & Castle this was around 1240 and get the 1 to Euston if it is still running, now when I got to Elephant & Castle I saw the N1 so had to say take the 176 to Aldwych and wait for the N91. Is there any demand to go to Euston as one thing I would say say is the link at night South of the river is missing although the N91 goes there perhaps the N68 could be diverted to Euston as is there really any need for the N1 188 N68 all going to Tottenham Court Road as at least the 188 went as far as Russell Square before the change. Something ive always found appropriate is the N1 becoming N188 and 1 the becoming 24 hours with the N68 at TCR. There isnt much demand on Southampton Row for more than two night routes (currently has the N91 only, which doesn’t connect south) so I think the 1 and N91 would be best. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 4, 2024 14:13:21 GMT
This morning a passenger was waiting for a 68 at Camberwell Green asking me how to get to Euston said to me the 68 isn’t running. The last 68 leaves St Julian’s Farm Road at 2345 then there is a unusual long gap the first N68 passes that same stop at 0105 although the 468 is still running the last bus leaves Croydon at 0024 with the N68 15 minutes behind. I advised him to get on my bus to Elephant & Castle this was around 1240 and get the 1 to Euston if it is still running, now when I got to Elephant & Castle I saw the N1 so had to say take the 176 to Aldwych and wait for the N91. Is there any demand to go to Euston as one thing I would say say is the link at night South of the river is missing although the N91 goes there perhaps the N68 could be diverted to Euston as is there really any need for the N1 188 N68 all going to Tottenham Court Road as at least the 188 went as far as Russell Square before the change. Something ive always found appropriate is the N1 becoming N188 and 1 the becoming 24 hours with the N68 at TCR. There isnt much demand on Southampton Row for more than two night routes (currently has the N91 only, which doesn’t connect south) so I think the 1 and N91 would be best. The only issue with that is North Greenwich then looses out. |
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Post by greg on Jun 4, 2024 14:23:23 GMT
Something ive always found appropriate is the N1 becoming N188 and 1 the becoming 24 hours with the N68 at TCR. There isnt much demand on Southampton Row for more than two night routes (currently has the N91 only, which doesn’t connect south) so I think the 1 and N91 would be best. The only issue with that is North Greenwich then looses out. Yeah i guess so. This is gonna sound very extra but what I said prior, an N453 up to North Greenwich instead (much much faster than the 188) extended via 177 from Deptford Bridge to Greenwich Maritime and then 188 to NG. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 4, 2024 14:32:54 GMT
This morning a passenger was waiting for a 68 at Camberwell Green asking me how to get to Euston said to me the 68 isn’t running. The last 68 leaves St Julian’s Farm Road at 2345 then there is a unusual long gap the first N68 passes that same stop at 0105 although the 468 is still running the last bus leaves Croydon at 0024 with the N68 15 minutes behind. I advised him to get on my bus to Elephant & Castle this was around 1240 and get the 1 to Euston if it is still running, now when I got to Elephant & Castle I saw the N1 so had to say take the 176 to Aldwych and wait for the N91. Is there any demand to go to Euston as one thing I would say say is the link at night South of the river is missing although the N91 goes there perhaps the N68 could be diverted to Euston as is there really any need for the N1 188 N68 all going to Tottenham Court Road as at least the 188 went as far as Russell Square before the change. Something ive always found appropriate is the N1 becoming N188 and 1 the becoming 24 hours with the N68 at TCR. There isnt much demand on Southampton Row for more than two night routes (currently has the N91 only, which doesn’t connect south) so I think the 1 and N91 would be best. I'm not sure if the revised 1 needs a 24-hour service up to Hampstead, with the N5 and 24 already available. What I would suggest though is maybe tendering the N1 separately from the 1 - either as a standalone contract, or combined with a Woolwich area route such as the 177. Because currently Metroline for example would be in a good position to bid for the 1 from HT, but might be difficult to run the N1 alongside. Similarly with other night routes like the N21 too, with Bexleyheath and Thamesmead being very far from Holloway and Hampstead. With the N21 though, I think there may be case for a restructure. Making the revised 21 a 24-hour service through to Holloway could also replace the N271. Could also consider diverting the N20 via Highgate Village if needed. The 321's night service could then extend from New Cross Gate to Trafalgar Square, replacing most of the N21. And the Bexleyheath end would be covered by the 132 through to Eltham, plus the N89 for Lewisham and Central London. |
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Post by abellion on Jun 4, 2024 14:54:48 GMT
This morning a passenger was waiting for a 68 at Camberwell Green asking me how to get to Euston said to me the 68 isn’t running. The last 68 leaves St Julian’s Farm Road at 2345 then there is a unusual long gap the first N68 passes that same stop at 0105 although the 468 is still running the last bus leaves Croydon at 0024 with the N68 15 minutes behind. I advised him to get on my bus to Elephant & Castle this was around 1240 and get the 1 to Euston if it is still running, now when I got to Elephant & Castle I saw the N1 so had to say take the 176 to Aldwych and wait for the N91. Is there any demand to go to Euston as one thing I would say say is the link at night South of the river is missing although the N91 goes there perhaps the N68 could be diverted to Euston as is there really any need for the N1 188 N68 all going to Tottenham Court Road as at least the 188 went as far as Russell Square before the change. In the past the lack of Elephant-Euston/Camden area night link has been discussed on here, the 176/188/N1/N68/N171 all go to TCR from Elephant with the latter four following each other yet nothing down to Euston which is clearly a major imbalance. |
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Post by busboy17 on Jun 4, 2024 17:48:13 GMT
This morning a passenger was waiting for a 68 at Camberwell Green asking me how to get to Euston said to me the 68 isn’t running. The last 68 leaves St Julian’s Farm Road at 2345 then there is a unusual long gap the first N68 passes that same stop at 0105 although the 468 is still running the last bus leaves Croydon at 0024 with the N68 15 minutes behind. I advised him to get on my bus to Elephant & Castle this was around 1240 and get the 1 to Euston if it is still running, now when I got to Elephant & Castle I saw the N1 so had to say take the 176 to Aldwych and wait for the N91. Is there any demand to go to Euston as one thing I would say say is the link at night South of the river is missing although the N91 goes there perhaps the N68 could be diverted to Euston as is there really any need for the N1 188 N68 all going to Tottenham Court Road as at least the 188 went as far as Russell Square before the change. In the past the lack of Elephant-Euston/Camden area night link has been discussed on here, the 176/188/N1/N68/N171 all go to TCR from Elephant with the latter four following each other yet nothing down to Euston which is clearly a major imbalance. Just make the N1 the N188 and turn the 1 24 hours |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 4, 2024 18:19:57 GMT
In the past the lack of Elephant-Euston/Camden area night link has been discussed on here, the 176/188/N1/N68/N171 all go to TCR from Elephant with the latter four following each other yet nothing down to Euston which is clearly a major imbalance. Just make the N1 the N188 and turn the 1 24 hours Not a good idea most sensible thing to do I would say is divert N68 to Euston. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 4, 2024 19:26:17 GMT
Just make the N1 the N188 and turn the 1 24 hours Not a good idea most sensible thing to do I would say is divert N68 to Euston. Thou south of West Norwood would loose its TCR link. Arguably its not far but I'm not sure Aldwych or Holborn can quite be counted as West End. |
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Post by greg on Jun 4, 2024 19:53:19 GMT
Something ive always found appropriate is the N1 becoming N188 and 1 the becoming 24 hours with the N68 at TCR. There isnt much demand on Southampton Row for more than two night routes (currently has the N91 only, which doesn’t connect south) so I think the 1 and N91 would be best. I'm not sure if the revised 1 needs a 24-hour service up to Hampstead, with the N5 and 24 already available. What I would suggest though is maybe tendering the N1 separately from the 1 - either as a standalone contract, or combined with a Woolwich area route such as the 177. Because currently Metroline for example would be in a good position to bid for the 1 from HT, but might be difficult to run the N1 alongside. Similarly with other night routes like the N21 too, with Bexleyheath and Thamesmead being very far from Holloway and Hampstead. With the N21 though, I think there may be case for a restructure. Making the revised 21 a 24-hour service through to Holloway could also replace the N271. Could also consider diverting the N20 via Highgate Village if needed. The 321's night service could then extend from New Cross Gate to Trafalgar Square, replacing most of the N21. And the Bexleyheath end would be covered by the 132 through to Eltham, plus the N89 for Lewisham and Central London. At night though the Camden to Hampstead link would change and I’ll explain this as: during the day people use the 1/24 to the Heath and the minority to their homes as both routes are separate and 24 a lot more residental. At night, nobody using the bus is for the Heath but for the residential streets. The N5 may follow the 1 routing, but not for a second do I think the 1 and N5 would be overbussed. I agree that there is an overbussing on Eversholt Street, but this is because well you have the N5/N20 and N253. An example could be the N18 and N518 which will duplicate for a long stretch, the 1 and N5 would duplicate but would have their sole purpose and I would argue the 1 would probably the busier route. The Camden to South London is much more popular - you also have the 24/88/N5/N20/N279 and partly N253 from the West End. Very very overbussed. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 4, 2024 20:28:32 GMT
Just make the N1 the N188 and turn the 1 24 hours Not a good idea most sensible thing to do I would say is divert N68 to Euston. The N68 picks up decent loads at TCR. It goes without saying but this problem wouldn't exist if TfL specify there not being an hour's plus gap between the 68 and N68. But for the Camden-Elephant link, I think the least messy option would be to break up the 188 and send the N188 up to Camden Town. |
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