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Post by DT 11 on Jun 4, 2024 22:44:02 GMT
Not a good idea most sensible thing to do I would say is divert N68 to Euston. The N68 picks up decent loads at TCR. It goes without saying but this problem wouldn't exist if TfL specify there not being an hour's plus gap between the 68 and N68. But for the Camden-Elephant link, I think the least messy option would be to break up the 188 and send the N188 up to Camden Town. I think the excuse for the 1 hour and 15 minute gap is the 468 covers the gap however does not go beyond Elephant & Castle. There is even a 30 minute gap from the last bus out of Euston to the first bus out of Tottenham Court Road. Most Night routes start running as soon as the day ones are completed. |
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Post by Alexis on Jun 5, 2024 5:54:48 GMT
Not a good idea most sensible thing to do I would say is divert N68 to Euston. The N68 picks up decent loads at TCR. It goes without saying but this problem wouldn't exist if TfL specify there not being an hour's plus gap between the 68 and N68. But for the Camden-Elephant link, I think the least messy option would be to break up the 188 and send the N188 up to Camden Town. Another option that wouldn't break any links would be to introduce an N176 and extend it up to Euston via Russel Square. It's not the most direct but I don't imagine it would take too long at night. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2024 7:19:26 GMT
Something ive always found appropriate is the N1 becoming N188 and 1 the becoming 24 hours with the N68 at TCR. There isnt much demand on Southampton Row for more than two night routes (currently has the N91 only, which doesn’t connect south) so I think the 1 and N91 would be best. I'm not sure if the revised 1 needs a 24-hour service up to Hampstead, with the N5 and 24 already available. What I would suggest though is maybe tendering the N1 separately from the 1 - either as a standalone contract, or combined with a Woolwich area route such as the 177. Because currently Metroline for example would be in a good position to bid for the 1 from HT, but might be difficult to run the N1 alongside. Similarly with other night routes like the N21 too, with Bexleyheath and Thamesmead being very far from Holloway and Hampstead. With the N21 though, I think there may be case for a restructure. Making the revised 21 a 24-hour service through to Holloway could also replace the N271. Could also consider diverting the N20 via Highgate Village if needed. The 321's night service could then extend from New Cross Gate to Trafalgar Square, replacing most of the N21. And the Bexleyheath end would be covered by the 132 through to Eltham, plus the N89 for Lewisham and Central London. There certainly is a case for the N1 to be tendered separately considering how different it is from the daytime route. Interesting idea to extend the N21 to replace the N271 but both the N21 and N321 north of New Cross might be a bit excessive? |
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Post by M1104 on Jun 5, 2024 7:23:17 GMT
The N68 picks up decent loads at TCR. It goes without saying but this problem wouldn't exist if TfL specify there not being an hour's plus gap between the 68 and N68. But for the Camden-Elephant link, I think the least messy option would be to break up the 188 and send the N188 up to Camden Town. I think the excuse for the 1 hour and 15 minute gap is the 468 covers the gap however does not go beyond Elephant & Castle. There is even a 30 minute gap from the last bus out of Euston to the first bus out of Tottenham Court Road. Most Night routes start running as soon as the day ones are completed. Perhaps a solution to that is to extend the N68 beyond Tottenham Court Road via the 14 through Russell Square then up to Euston, timetable adjusted accordingly to close in on that hour plus gap in service |
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Post by Trafalgax on Jun 5, 2024 13:07:17 GMT
I'm not sure if the revised 1 needs a 24-hour service up to Hampstead, with the N5 and 24 already available. What I would suggest though is maybe tendering the N1 separately from the 1 - either as a standalone contract, or combined with a Woolwich area route such as the 177. Because currently Metroline for example would be in a good position to bid for the 1 from HT, but might be difficult to run the N1 alongside. Similarly with other night routes like the N21 too, with Bexleyheath and Thamesmead being very far from Holloway and Hampstead. With the N21 though, I think there may be case for a restructure. Making the revised 21 a 24-hour service through to Holloway could also replace the N271. Could also consider diverting the N20 via Highgate Village if needed. The 321's night service could then extend from New Cross Gate to Trafalgar Square, replacing most of the N21. And the Bexleyheath end would be covered by the 132 through to Eltham, plus the N89 for Lewisham and Central London. At night though the Camden to Hampstead link would change and I’ll explain this as: during the day people use the 1/24 to the Heath and the minority to their homes as both routes are separate and 24 a lot more residental. At night, nobody using the bus is for the Heath but for the residential streets. The N5 may follow the 1 routing, but not for a second do I think the 1 and N5 would be overbussed. I agree that there is an overbussing on Eversholt Street, but this is because well you have the N5/N20 and N253. An example could be the N18 and N518 which will duplicate for a long stretch, the 1 and N5 would duplicate but would have their sole purpose and I would argue the 1 would probably the busier route. The Camden to South London is much more popular - you also have the 24/88/N5/N20/N279 and partly N253 from the West End. Very very overbussed. Euston is one of London's major stations so it makes sense for N5 and N20 to serve it via Eversholt Street. As for the N253, it's just following its day counterpart. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 5, 2024 15:03:13 GMT
The N68 picks up decent loads at TCR. It goes without saying but this problem wouldn't exist if TfL specify there not being an hour's plus gap between the 68 and N68. But for the Camden-Elephant link, I think the least messy option would be to break up the 188 and send the N188 up to Camden Town. Another option that wouldn't break any links would be to introduce an N176 and extend it up to Euston via Russel Square. It's not the most direct but I don't imagine it would take too long at night. Could the 68 & 176 perhaps swap termini after Aldwych? The N68 would be rerouted to follow its revised day counterpart via Strand & Charing Cross Road. The night version of the 176 would follow its revised day route to Euston. Alternatively the simplest option is to just have the N68 to Euston & not serve TCR, with the N1, 176 & 188 being other options available. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 5, 2024 15:41:07 GMT
Another option that wouldn't break any links would be to introduce an N176 and extend it up to Euston via Russel Square. It's not the most direct but I don't imagine it would take too long at night. Could the 68 & 176 perhaps swap termini after Aldwych? The N68 would be rerouted to follow its revised day counterpart via Strand & Charing Cross Road. The night version of the 176 would follow its revised day route to Euston. Alternatively the simplest option is to just have the N68 to Euston & not serve TCR, with the N1, 176 & 188 being other options available. ’s suggestion seems to be the best extending N68 to Euston from Tottenham Court Road via Route 14. The N52 was very similar to the day 52 at some point just via a different routing in Central London between Hyde Park Corner & Victoria I believe it used to serve Green Park, Piccadilly Circus & Whitehall before the 52 became 24 hour. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2024 16:14:17 GMT
Another option that wouldn't break any links would be to introduce an N176 and extend it up to Euston via Russel Square. It's not the most direct but I don't imagine it would take too long at night. Could the 68 & 176 perhaps swap termini after Aldwych? The N68 would be rerouted to follow its revised day counterpart via Strand & Charing Cross Road. The night version of the 176 would follow its revised day route to Euston. Alternatively the simplest option is to just have the N68 to Euston & not serve TCR, with the N1, 176 & 188 being other options available. No as that would make the 176 quite a pain to run given how further south it has to run than the 68 including through Forest Hill & Sydenham compared to Tulse Hill, Herne Hill & West Norwood which are all easier to navigate through. I also don't think we should tinker with a day route just to change a night routes terminal either |
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Post by finchleybuslover on Jun 5, 2024 18:40:08 GMT
personally I think the old 13 should come back (Hendon-London bridge) and the 82 should be brought back to the route which it used to run (parallel to the current 13)
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Post by finchleybuslover on Jun 5, 2024 18:43:03 GMT
School routes are not daily for a reason, they are meant for schools only - hence why they aren't daily routes as they don't need to be. No one is really going to be travelling to Friern Barnet from Kingsbury, and Kingsbury already has a direct link to Hendon and West Hendon in the form of the 183. As for Finchley again there is not much need for a link between Finchley and Kingsbury, but it is still achievable using current routes as you can just get the 183 to Golders Green and interchange with the 13 or 460. Or you can take the 183 to Hendon and take the 125 to Finchley. from Hendon there are so many ways to get to finchley from Hendon and the sl10 now links finchley and Kingsbury anyways |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 5, 2024 18:44:02 GMT
personally I think the old 13 should come back (Hendon-London bridge) and the 82 should be brought back to the route which it used to run (parallel to the current 13) For what reason. Probably 95% of the time the current Finchley Road routes cope alright and TFL I doubt have any desires for another Oxford Street route. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 5, 2024 19:04:31 GMT
Or you can take the 183 to Hendon and take the 125 to Finchley. from Hendon there are so many ways to get to finchley from Hendon and the sl10 now links finchley and Kingsbury anyways How old was that post? I can’t remember when I posted it seems like it was a long time ago. It was made 2020. Well the SL10 wasn’t around back then. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 5, 2024 19:05:18 GMT
Or you can take the 183 to Hendon and take the 125 to Finchley. from Hendon there are so many ways to get to finchley from Hendon and the sl10 now links finchley and Kingsbury anyways Tip don’t respond to old post. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 5, 2024 19:23:47 GMT
A superloop route running between Finchley Central and Liverpool Street.
Via:
Hendon Lane
Regents Park Road
East End Road
High Road
Finchley East Station
Route 143 to Highgate Village
Route 214 to Moorgate
Route 153 to Liverpool Street
Purpose:
To help out the 143 and 214.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 5, 2024 20:48:09 GMT
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