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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 10, 2020 13:35:10 GMT
I'd merge it with the 349 then as far as Angel/Kings Cross and see if the 341 could cope alone to Northumberland Park. If not I'd maybe look at restoring the 76 to NP rather then Tottenham Hale.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2020 13:51:23 GMT
I'd merge it with the 349 then as far as Angel/Kings Cross and see if the 341 could cope alone to Northumberland Park. If not I'd maybe look at restoring the 76 to NP rather then Tottenham Hale. A merged 476 & 349 looks like a recipe for disaster - the 279 at least has low traffic at both ends and doesn’t go anywhere near Zone 1. For me, too many people are obsessed with needlessly cutting the 476.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2020 13:52:47 GMT
The "outrage" was concerns about reliability. There were concerns that replacing a short route such as the C2 with a longer route such as the extended 88 would lead to gaps in the service because of traffic congestion, demonstrations etc. in Central London especially around Trafalgar Square, Whitehall and Parliament Square. People were lead to believe that they would get an inferior service on the 88 although those fears haven't materialised. There was also a good relationship between regular passengers and drivers on the C2 so it's understandable that some people weren't happy about it but the C2 was poorly used and the change made sense. I guess the only other option would have been to cut the 88 back to Oxford Circus or reduce the C2 frequency and maybe convert it back to smaller buses? The facts are it still carried 2.5m people before withdrawal which is a lot more than a number of other routes.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 10, 2020 14:52:23 GMT
Yes and all 2.5m are now probably using the 88. It wasn't lack of use of the C2 but more that there was too much cacpcity between Camden Town and Oxford Circus.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 10, 2020 14:54:22 GMT
I'd merge it with the 349 then as far as Angel/Kings Cross and see if the 341 could cope alone to Northumberland Park. If not I'd maybe look at restoring the 76 to NP rather then Tottenham Hale. A merged 476 & 349 looks like a recipe for disaster - the 279 at least has low traffic at both ends and doesn’t go anywhere near Zone 1. For me, too many people are obsessed with needlessly cutting the 476. Ponders End to Angel. Is that really too long?
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Post by northlondonbuses on Aug 10, 2020 14:59:35 GMT
If I was tbh all the times Ive used the C2 (alot) its always been empty and it was never full so I wasnt against the change of it being withdrawn especially after it was cutback to oxford circus and TFL have made a smart decision extending the 88 to Parliment hill fields and rerouting it via the old C2 routing from Great Portland Street to Camden if It could be possible they can extend a route like the 73 to Victoria via the old C2 routing if anyone used that part alot but other than that the withdrawal of the C2 wasnt as bad as people thought but then again I cant talk since i dont live in Warren Street But I do go there alot to take the bus routes there.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 10, 2020 15:05:29 GMT
If I was tbh all the times Ive used the C2 (alot) its always been empty and it was never full so I wasnt against the change of it being withdrawn especially after it was cutback to oxford circus and TFL have made a smart decision extending the 88 to Parliment hill fields and rerouting it via the old C2 routing from Great Portland Street to Camden if It could be possible they can extend a route like the 73 to Victoria via the old C2 routing if anyone used that part alot but other than that the withdrawal of the C2 wasnt as bad as people thought but then again I cant talk since i dont live in Warren Street But I do go there alot to take the bus routes there. Same here but you'll never convince people on here that there are routes that could be altered to make them more cost effective so I give up making suggestions now. We all know TFL are currently losing about 75% revenue from before the lockdown and if no bailout comes then they will be in severe financial trouble and the idea of a rush hour could be a long time returning if not until next year now.
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Post by abellion on Aug 10, 2020 16:07:46 GMT
If I was tbh all the times Ive used the C2 (alot) its always been empty and it was never full so I wasnt against the change of it being withdrawn especially after it was cutback to oxford circus and TFL have made a smart decision extending the 88 to Parliment hill fields and rerouting it via the old C2 routing from Great Portland Street to Camden if It could be possible they can extend a route like the 73 to Victoria via the old C2 routing if anyone used that part alot but other than that the withdrawal of the C2 wasnt as bad as people thought but then again I cant talk since i dont live in Warren Street But I do go there alot to take the bus routes there. Same here for me, however having a link from Victoria to Camden Town which wasn't the 24 was useful. People from South London going to Camden had so many options already in the Northern Line and the 88 being closer to reach than Victoria and then eventually Regent Street
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 10, 2020 16:11:37 GMT
If I was tbh all the times Ive used the C2 (alot) its always been empty and it was never full so I wasnt against the change of it being withdrawn especially after it was cutback to oxford circus and TFL have made a smart decision extending the 88 to Parliment hill fields and rerouting it via the old C2 routing from Great Portland Street to Camden if It could be possible they can extend a route like the 73 to Victoria via the old C2 routing if anyone used that part alot but other than that the withdrawal of the C2 wasnt as bad as people thought but then again I cant talk since i dont live in Warren Street But I do go there alot to take the bus routes there. Same here but you'll never convince people on here that there are routes that could be altered to make them more cost effective so I give up making suggestions now. We all know TFL are currently losing about 75% revenue from before the lockdown and if no bailout comes then they will be in severe financial trouble and the idea of a rush hour could be a long time returning if not until next year now. That's way I came with the Idea that TFL should have Peak hour extension and peak hour bits like what they do out side of London that why it will help out other routes
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Post by george on Aug 10, 2020 16:33:36 GMT
People were lead to believe that they would get an inferior service on the 88 although those fears haven't materialised. There was also a good relationship between regular passengers and drivers on the C2 so it's understandable that some people weren't happy about it but the C2 was poorly used and the change made sense. I guess the only other option would have been to cut the 88 back to Oxford Circus or reduce the C2 frequency and maybe convert it back to smaller buses? The facts are it still carried 2.5m people before withdrawal which is a lot more than a number of other routes. So do you think the C2 should have stayed?
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Post by greenboy on Aug 10, 2020 16:44:22 GMT
Same here but you'll never convince people on here that there are routes that could be altered to make them more cost effective so I give up making suggestions now. We all know TFL are currently losing about 75% revenue from before the lockdown and if no bailout comes then they will be in severe financial trouble and the idea of a rush hour could be a long time returning if not until next year now. That's way I came with the Idea that TFL should have Peak hour extension and peak hour bits like what they do out side of London that why it will help out other routes There is the peak hour X68 and there are a few routes, or sections of routes that are only really needed M-F peak hours.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 10, 2020 16:47:18 GMT
That's way I came with the Idea that TFL should have Peak hour extension and peak hour bits like what they do out side of London that why it will help out other routes There is the peak hour X68 and there are a few routes, or sections of routes that are only really needed M-F peak hours. Indeed this is what TfL’s predecessors did back in the day - and could still do in some cases. The City of London in particular is imo very overbussed at weekends.
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Post by northlondonbuses on Aug 10, 2020 16:47:46 GMT
The facts are it still carried 2.5m people before withdrawal which is a lot more than a number of other routes. So do you think the C2 should have stayed? I know you didnt ask me but it shouldnt have the 88 and C2 were in a way the same but not the same as they both met up at great portland street so it would save TFL money and the extension is worth it even if there isnt a route from warren street to oxford circus going the 'fast way' you can just take the 27 or walk! the C2 no1 dropped the amount of passengers it had (which was not alot) when it was cutback and the 88 just overshadows the route even tho they have different routing to great portland street and im sure the people living where the C2 went were happy with the 88 now serving there with new e400MMCs/E400Hs.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 10, 2020 16:49:48 GMT
I'd merge it with the 349 then as far as Angel/Kings Cross and see if the 341 could cope alone to Northumberland Park. If not I'd maybe look at restoring the 76 to NP rather then Tottenham Hale. Just extend the 73 to Northumberland Park and withdraw the 476.
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Post by george on Aug 10, 2020 16:52:31 GMT
So do you think the C2 should have stayed? I know you didnt ask me but it shouldnt have the 88 and C2 were in a way the same but not the same as they both met up at great portland street so it would save TFL money and the extension is worth it even if there isnt a route from warren street to oxford circus going the 'fast way' you can just take the 27 or walk! the C2 no1 dropped the amount of passengers it had (which was not alot) when it was cutback and the 88 just overshadows the route even tho they have different routing to great portland street and im sure the people living where the C2 went were happy with the 88 now serving there with new e400MMCs/E400Hs. I agree entirely with you. I know people don't like to see routes go but the C2 being withdrawn was the better one of all other changes that have happened recently IMO. If the 88 was unreliable then my opinion would be very different.
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