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Post by bk10mfe on Jul 12, 2024 12:36:21 GMT
The 417 proposal wasn’t thought out properly and was good it never got off the ground. I supported the P5 extension as it would have opened up links to Battersea Power Station and Nine Elms from the south in general. Regarding the P5 extension, would that need to have a new bus only gate to enable the P5 to go to the Power Station?
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Post by abellion on Jul 12, 2024 13:15:20 GMT
The 417 proposal wasn’t thought out properly and was good it never got off the ground. I supported the P5 extension as it would have opened up links to Battersea Power Station and Nine Elms from the south in general. Regarding the P5 extension, would that need to have a new bus only gate to enable the P5 to go to the Power Station? This has been discussed before, where exactly would the gate be? Last time I went there I thought the P5 could right turn from Ascalon Road into Stewart’s Road and then Battersea Park Road if the road was extended, and this means it only misses one stop in service however BPR is elevated at the end of Stewart’s Road so I’m not sure if that would work.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2024 13:59:50 GMT
The 417 proposal wasn’t thought out properly and was good it never got off the ground. I supported the P5 extension as it would have opened up links to Battersea Power Station and Nine Elms from the south in general. Regarding the P5 extension, would that need to have a new bus only gate to enable the P5 to go to the Power Station? As part of the consultation, Thessaly Road would of had a bus gate installed at the dead end allowing P5's to reach Battersea Park Road. The only broken links would be anyone specifically wanting the penultimate stop and the current terminus on Stwearts Road by the railway bridges though these two stops would be served by southbound buses so a small benefit would be Ascalon Street & some Thessaly Road residents now not having to walk to Stewarts Road to get a southbound bus. abellion Stewarts Road is unsuitable due to how narrow the top end is and the aforementioned Battersea Park Road being elevated right next to it making any connection a non starter.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 12, 2024 21:04:08 GMT
I think this has been suggested before, the 36 is overbussed between Paddington and Queens Park but underbussed between Paddington and Vauxhall. 36... Reduced to 6bph, see 436. 185... Withdrawn between Vauxhall and Victoria and rerouted to Battersea Park Station. 436... Rerouted back to Paddington and increased to 6bph. The loss of the link to Victoria from the Dulwich area might cause some consternation but it's a pretty easy change at Vauxhall. I'm not opposed even if I don't like overlapping routes as the common section's combined frequency tends to be all over the place -- but this wouldn't be a massive change to the 36 as of late which has been terrible with regards to reliability.
Quite frankly, this corridor should and would be a tram in a continental European city considering demand. Or at the very least, what could be done are bi-directional bus lanes (not the kerb-side ones as of current) BRT-style (see Seoul which has BRT-infrastructure but regular routes with regular buses running on them -- no fancy extra expensive buses as not needed).
Chucking more buses at the problem would be nice, but the real issue is reliability!
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Post by LondonTransport_Central on Jul 13, 2024 10:48:55 GMT
Idk if this is the right thread to put my suggestion in:
POV - A little suggestion for a Arriva bus garage in Hornchurch!
Myself all of a sudden I want to start a petition to Havering Council and Arriva to build a new bus garage to replace the 256 stand in Hornchurch!
How I would do it is:
- To temporarily terminate the 256 at Hornchurch Town Centre - When the garage is built, I would terminate 256 there!
The main reason why I am suggesting this is because:
- Loads of GY routes live so far from their routes, to the point sometimes there's loads of traffic, particularly when the M25 or Dartford Grossing is shut! - Not enough room for chargers at GY - Some routes will get a disadvantage with deadruns due to the long distance!
Myself | feel like having an Arriva garage in the Havering area will benefit the current GY routes to run on time more as there has been occasions that the current GY routes have been running late due to the long deadruns and may give Arriva a chance to bid for more routes in the future!
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Post by LondonTransport_Central on Jul 13, 2024 10:49:25 GMT
Part 2 to the Arriva garage suggestion to replace the 256 bus stand in Hornchurch!
Someone gave me a really good suggestion about the 256 being extended to Upminster Station! This would:
- Provide the residents of Harold Hill and Harold Wood with good links to the C2C and the District Line - Give Upminster some help during rush hour as there’s loads of schools there!
And I would withdraw the 646 bus route if the 256 got extended to Upminster as it’s basically the same route but goes up to Cranham instead!
And also make the 193 and the 252 have a frequency increase:
- 252 being every 8 minutes instead of every 10 minutes - 193 being every 8 minutes instead of every 10 minutes
For the suggested Arriva garage I would move the 6 routes currently at GY into that garage (66/103/248/347/370/375) and keep DX open for the 150/175/SL2 to give the GY lot more flexibility to run services on time and to have electrics last longer when the time comes for those routes!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2024 11:51:03 GMT
Part 2 to the Arriva garage suggestion to replace the 256 bus stand in Hornchurch! Someone gave me a really good suggestion about the 256 being extended to Upminster Station! This would: - Provide the residents of Harold Hill and Harold Wood with good links to the C2C and the District Line - Give Upminster some help during rush hour as there’s loads of schools there! And I would withdraw the 646 bus route if the 256 got extended to Upminster as it’s basically the same route but goes up to Cranham instead! And also make the 193 and the 252 have a frequency increase: - 252 being every 8 minutes instead of every 10 minutes - 193 being every 8 minutes instead of every 10 minutes For the suggested Arriva garage I would move the 6 routes currently at GY into that garage (66/103/248/347/370/375) and keep DX open for the 150/175/SL2 to give the GY lot more flexibility to run services on time and to have electrics last longer when the time comes for those routes! Harold Hill & Harold Wood residents already have a much quicker link to Upminster than traversing the 256 via Emerson Park & Hornchurch which is the 346. On top, they also have connections to the Elizabeth line so I don’t see any need to divert the 256 away from its current routing in Hornchurch, especially with no full replacement for the 646 to Cranham
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Post by bk10mfe on Jul 13, 2024 21:03:41 GMT
Part 2 to the Arriva garage suggestion to replace the 256 bus stand in Hornchurch! Someone gave me a really good suggestion about the 256 being extended to Upminster Station! This would: - Provide the residents of Harold Hill and Harold Wood with good links to the C2C and the District Line - Give Upminster some help during rush hour as there’s loads of schools there! And I would withdraw the 646 bus route if the 256 got extended to Upminster as it’s basically the same route but goes up to Cranham instead! And also make the 193 and the 252 have a frequency increase: - 252 being every 8 minutes instead of every 10 minutes - 193 being every 8 minutes instead of every 10 minutes For the suggested Arriva garage I would move the 6 routes currently at GY into that garage (66/103/248/347/370/375) and keep DX open for the 150/175/SL2 to give the GY lot more flexibility to run services on time and to have electrics last longer when the time comes for those routes! Harold Hill & Harold Wood residents already have a much quicker link to Upminster than traversing the 256 via Emerson Park & Hornchurch which is the 346. On top, they also have connections to the Elizabeth line so I don’t see any need to divert the 256 away from its current routing in Hornchurch, especially with no full replacement for the 646 to Cranham I suggested the rerouting due to a proposed new bus garage at the 256’s current stand in Hornchurch, as there is a lack of stand space in Hornchurch Town Centre but Upminster has space. The other option is to extend the 372 to Upminster & pull the 256 back to Hornchurch Town Centre. I agree with you regarding the 646, if it was to be withdrawn some additional school journeys on the 256 would need to be extended to Cranham to replace the 646.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2024 0:57:54 GMT
Harold Hill & Harold Wood residents already have a much quicker link to Upminster than traversing the 256 via Emerson Park & Hornchurch which is the 346. On top, they also have connections to the Elizabeth line so I don’t see any need to divert the 256 away from its current routing in Hornchurch, especially with no full replacement for the 646 to Cranham I suggested the rerouting due to a proposed new bus garage at the 256’s current stand in Hornchurch, as there is a lack of stand space in Hornchurch Town Centre but Upminster has space. The other option is to extend the 372 to Upminster & pull the 256 back to Hornchurch Town Centre. I agree with you regarding the 646, if it was to be withdrawn some additional school journeys on the 256 would need to be extended to Cranham to replace the 646. What proposed new bus garage? The only mention is the fantasy post from yesterday for an Arriva garage in Hornchurch unless I’m missing something. The 256’s current stand is on the edge of Hornchurch Country Park and serves a new housing development on the site of the old hospital. The corridor between Hornchurch and Upminster seems to be sufficiently served by the 248 & 370 and by sending the 256 towards Upminster, your running the risk of worsening the 256’s reliability which it has long suffered from, particularly on the approaches to the A12 & A127, the latter notorious for attracting traffic jams easily
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Post by borneobus on Jul 14, 2024 3:50:43 GMT
I suggested the rerouting due to a proposed new bus garage at the 256’s current stand in Hornchurch, as there is a lack of stand space in Hornchurch Town Centre but Upminster has space. The other option is to extend the 372 to Upminster & pull the 256 back to Hornchurch Town Centre. I agree with you regarding the 646, if it was to be withdrawn some additional school journeys on the 256 would need to be extended to Cranham to replace the 646. What proposed new bus garage? The only mention is the fantasy post from yesterday for an Arriva garage in Hornchurch unless I’m missing something. The 256’s current stand is on the edge of Hornchurch Country Park and serves a new housing development on the site of the old hospital. The corridor between Hornchurch and Upminster seems to be sufficiently served by the 248 & 370 and by sending the 256 towards Upminster, your running the risk of worsening the 256’s reliability which it has long suffered from, particularly on the approaches to the A12 & A127, the latter notorious for attracting traffic jams easily Older members may remember Hornchurch Garage (RD) that was located on the south side of Hornchurch Road adjacent to Hyland Road stop (248 & 365). The site on which the garage sat is now a housing development called Priory Mews. Think RD closed in the late 1980s.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 14, 2024 6:55:37 GMT
What proposed new bus garage? The only mention is the fantasy post from yesterday for an Arriva garage in Hornchurch unless I’m missing something. The 256’s current stand is on the edge of Hornchurch Country Park and serves a new housing development on the site of the old hospital. The corridor between Hornchurch and Upminster seems to be sufficiently served by the 248 & 370 and by sending the 256 towards Upminster, your running the risk of worsening the 256’s reliability which it has long suffered from, particularly on the approaches to the A12 & A127, the latter notorious for attracting traffic jams easily Older members may remember Hornchurch Garage (RD) that was located on the south side of Hornchurch Road adjacent to Hyland Road stop (248 & 365). The site on which the garage sat is now a housing development called Priory Mews. Think RD closed in the late 1980s. Yes, it closed on 24.9.88 to be precise, due to losses by LBL to EnsignBus and Frontrunner South East. Frontrunner was a subsidiary of East Midland. In 1989 Stagecoach acquired East Midland but, ironically, immediately sold Frontrunner South East to EnsignBus!
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Post by LondonTransport_Central on Jul 14, 2024 13:13:49 GMT
I suggested the rerouting due to a proposed new bus garage at the 256’s current stand in Hornchurch, as there is a lack of stand space in Hornchurch Town Centre but Upminster has space. The other option is to extend the 372 to Upminster & pull the 256 back to Hornchurch Town Centre. I agree with you regarding the 646, if it was to be withdrawn some additional school journeys on the 256 would need to be extended to Cranham to replace the 646. What proposed new bus garage? The only mention is the fantasy post from yesterday for an Arriva garage in Hornchurch unless I’m missing something. The 256’s current stand is on the edge of Hornchurch Country Park and serves a new housing development on the site of the old hospital. The corridor between Hornchurch and Upminster seems to be sufficiently served by the 248 & 370 and by sending the 256 towards Upminster, your running the risk of worsening the 256’s reliability which it has long suffered from, particularly on the approaches to the A12 & A127, the latter notorious for attracting traffic jams easily There isn’t a proposed new garage! It’s just a fantasy suggestion that I did to see if I think it would be a good idea! As it hasn’t been mentioned anywhere about a new garage! Just an idea of mine to see if it would benefit the GY routes!
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Post by LondonTransport_Central on Jul 14, 2024 13:21:24 GMT
What proposed new bus garage? The only mention is the fantasy post from yesterday for an Arriva garage in Hornchurch unless I’m missing something. The 256’s current stand is on the edge of Hornchurch Country Park and serves a new housing development on the site of the old hospital. The corridor between Hornchurch and Upminster seems to be sufficiently served by the 248 & 370 and by sending the 256 towards Upminster, your running the risk of worsening the 256’s reliability which it has long suffered from, particularly on the approaches to the A12 & A127, the latter notorious for attracting traffic jams easily There isn’t a proposed new garage! It’s just a fantasy suggestion that I did to see if I think it would be a good idea! As it hasn’t been mentioned anywhere about a new garage! Just an idea of mine to see if it would benefit the GY routes! Otherwise if it was true it would have been on the actual Arriva thread! But it isn’t proposed at all!
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Post by COBO on Jul 16, 2024 7:36:39 GMT
18: withdrawn between Harlesden and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 206 to First Way. 228: withdrawn between White City and Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove and Maida Hill. Diverted to Sudbury via Harrow Road and route 18 to Sudbury. Converted to double deck. To maintain links lost by the 18 and to link Harlesden with Ladbroke Grove. 283: extended from East Acton to Central Middlesex Hospital via route 228. To maintain links lost by the 228. 295: extended from Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's to Maida Hill via route 228. To maintain links lost by the 228. 302: extended from Kensal Rise to White City via Chamberlayne Road, Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, Kensal Green Station, Scrubs Lane, route 220 to White City Station and route 228 to White City Bus Station. To link Chamberlayne Road with Kensal Green Station, Harrow Road with Scrubs Lane and to help out the 220. 452: extended from Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's back to Kensal Rise. SL12: A superloop route running between Ruislip and Baker Street Station via Station Approach, Pembroke Grove, Park Way, Ruislip Manor Station, Elm Avenue, North View, Eastcote Station, route 398 to Alexandra Avenue, Northolt Road, Northolt Park Station, South Harrow Station, Roxeth Hill, London Road, Sudbury Hill, Harrow Road, route 92 to Wembley and route 18 to Baker Street. To act as assistance.
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Post by randomy on Jul 17, 2024 22:01:57 GMT
194: Withdrawn between West Croydon and East Croydon, extended to Croydon Town Centre SL5: Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and East Croydon, extended to West Croydon
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