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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jul 18, 2024 15:19:17 GMT
194: Withdrawn between West Croydon and East Croydon, extended to Croydon Town Centre SL5: Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and East Croydon, extended to West Croydon You can just swap the SL5 and SL6s terminus in Croydon so SL5 goes to West Croydon and SL6 to Croydon Town Centre
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Post by randomy on Jul 18, 2024 15:57:54 GMT
194: Withdrawn between West Croydon and East Croydon, extended to Croydon Town Centre SL5: Withdrawn between Croydon Town Centre and East Croydon, extended to West Croydon You can just swap the SL5 and SL6s terminus in Croydon so SL5 goes to West Croydon and SL6 to Croydon Town Centre The SL6 is limited service so I don't think it wouldn't help with stand space and I think extending a route from West Croydon isn't the best idea because it can cause traffic but I'm not exactly sure, I'm not a local to Croydon
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 18, 2024 16:04:45 GMT
You can just swap the SL5 and SL6s terminus in Croydon so SL5 goes to West Croydon and SL6 to Croydon Town Centre The SL6 is limited service so I don't think it wouldn't help with stand space and I think extending a route from West Croydon isn't the best idea because it can cause traffic but I'm not exactly sure, I'm not a local to Croydon As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 18, 2024 16:07:41 GMT
The SL6 is limited service so I don't think it wouldn't help with stand space and I think extending a route from West Croydon isn't the best idea because it can cause traffic but I'm not exactly sure, I'm not a local to Croydon As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7. If there is stand space, potentially the 250 back to CTC, as for the 264 though, absolutely no idea, SC/SE wouldn't be able to handle a frequency of the 264 and 468s, Hogarth could be an idea but other than those, there's not much else they could feasibly go.
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Post by randomy on Jul 18, 2024 16:08:47 GMT
The SL6 is limited service so I don't think it wouldn't help with stand space and I think extending a route from West Croydon isn't the best idea because it can cause traffic but I'm not exactly sure, I'm not a local to Croydon As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7. Maybe a route can be extended to Hogarth Crescent for stand space
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 18, 2024 16:13:38 GMT
As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7. Maybe a route can be extended to Hogarth Crescent for stand space Hogarth is the main place where an extension could go, I'd say the 264 should be the route to be extended if any as the 157 runs along there, and would make the 154s terminal there pointless if it were extended. Really there needs to be a new area in Croydon for a bus terminal, as Hogarth is very useful during strikes, without it Croydon would probably struggle alot more than it actually does. Unfortunately a complete rework of the 250 would probably not work either as it helps the 109 massively, so unless they increased frequency and pvr of the 109, 60 and 118, it would not go well at all.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 18, 2024 16:40:22 GMT
Maybe a route can be extended to Hogarth Crescent for stand space Hogarth is the main place where an extension could go, I'd say the 264 should be the route to be extended if any as the 157 runs along there, and would make the 154s terminal there pointless if it were extended. Really there needs to be a new area in Croydon for a bus terminal, as Hogarth is very useful during strikes, without it Croydon would probably struggle alot more than it actually does. Unfortunately a complete rework of the 250 would probably not work either as it helps the 109 massively, so unless they increased frequency and pvr of the 109, 60 and 118, it would not go well at all. If the SL5/7 proposal goes ahead surely that will solve the problem?
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 18, 2024 16:45:37 GMT
As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7. If there is stand space, potentially the 250 back to CTC, as for the 264 though, absolutely no idea, SC/SE wouldn't be able to handle a frequency of the 264 and 468s, Hogarth could be an idea but other than those, there's not much else they could feasibly go. The 250 doesn’t need to stand in the Bus Station in my opinion would make sense to stand at Delta Point as most people alight at Poplar Walk.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 18, 2024 16:46:54 GMT
Hogarth is the main place where an extension could go, I'd say the 264 should be the route to be extended if any as the 157 runs along there, and would make the 154s terminal there pointless if it were extended. Really there needs to be a new area in Croydon for a bus terminal, as Hogarth is very useful during strikes, without it Croydon would probably struggle alot more than it actually does. Unfortunately a complete rework of the 250 would probably not work either as it helps the 109 massively, so unless they increased frequency and pvr of the 109, 60 and 118, it would not go well at all. If the SL5/7 proposal goes ahead surely that will solve the problem? SL5 really doesn’t need to stand at West Croydon.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 18, 2024 16:48:04 GMT
As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7. Maybe a route can be extended to Hogarth Crescent for stand space No route should permanently stand there.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 18, 2024 16:48:35 GMT
Hogarth is the main place where an extension could go, I'd say the 264 should be the route to be extended if any as the 157 runs along there, and would make the 154s terminal there pointless if it were extended. Really there needs to be a new area in Croydon for a bus terminal, as Hogarth is very useful during strikes, without it Croydon would probably struggle alot more than it actually does. Unfortunately a complete rework of the 250 would probably not work either as it helps the 109 massively, so unless they increased frequency and pvr of the 109, 60 and 118, it would not go well at all. If the SL5/7 proposal goes ahead surely that will solve the problem? Stand space? Yes, but it won't last. The SL6 will most likely be taken a better look at in the future and will probably take up the SL7s current terminal spots, and buses like the 250, 154 and 367 will take that spot for the meanwhile.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 18, 2024 16:50:53 GMT
If there is stand space, potentially the 250 back to CTC, as for the 264 though, absolutely no idea, SC/SE wouldn't be able to handle a frequency of the 264 and 468s, Hogarth could be an idea but other than those, there's not much else they could feasibly go. The 250 doesn’t need to stand in the Bus Station in my opinion would make sense to stand at Delta Point as most people alight at Poplar Walk. 250 standing at DP would make sense, but two/three buses permanently being there would make the stop there a great inconvenience, with the 367 it isn't as bad as it's only 1, but put 2, 3 there at the same time? Total nightmare waiting to occur.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 18, 2024 16:52:46 GMT
The 250 doesn’t need to stand in the Bus Station in my opinion would make sense to stand at Delta Point as most people alight at Poplar Walk. 250 standing at DP would make sense, but two/three buses permanently being there would make the stop there a great inconvenience, with the 367 it isn't as bad as it's only 1, but put 2, 3 there at the same time? Total nightmare waiting to occur. 109s with no relief are regularly dumped there so won’t be much of a difference.
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Post by abellion on Jul 18, 2024 16:56:39 GMT
As a local, West Croydon has barely any stand space at the moment, the 367 has to stand at Delta Point half of the time and buses usually stand by the dropoff point at WC just besides Poplar Walk, not even an every hour service could fit in it's that bad. The main blame for this in my opinion is the 264/154 and 250, there's usually about 3 250s standing there and 2 264/154s too. Best idea would probably be to find a place to re-extend the 250 or 264 as cutting the 154 would be pointless and only worsen conditions for the 407/SL7. If there is stand space, potentially the 250 back to CTC, as for the 264 though, absolutely no idea, SC/SE wouldn't be able to handle a frequency of the 264 and 468s, Hogarth could be an idea but other than those, there's not much else they could feasibly go. I think the 264 should have priority over the 250 if something is extended into the town centre. The 50 and 109 cover a lot of the 250 into Croydon whereas the 264 only meets the 289 beyond Reeves Corner, they meet at an awkward point and the 289 only serves West Croydon anyway.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 18, 2024 16:57:25 GMT
250 standing at DP would make sense, but two/three buses permanently being there would make the stop there a great inconvenience, with the 367 it isn't as bad as it's only 1, but put 2, 3 there at the same time? Total nightmare waiting to occur. 109s with no relief are regularly dumped there so won’t be much of a difference. I was actually going to bring that up, having 2/3 250s and an occasional 109 there would be greatly annoying, so unless TfL converted DP into a full terminal and made the 50/468/N68 loop around like the 75, it would never work.
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