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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 4, 2024 17:24:31 GMT
I thought an NH91 might be a good idea to help relieve the N9.
This would run between Hammersmith Upper Bus Station and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route H91, then route 482.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Oct 4, 2024 18:33:10 GMT
I thought an NH91 might be a good idea to help relieve the N9. This would run between Hammersmith Upper Bus Station and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route H91, then route 482. It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. |
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 5, 2024 14:55:54 GMT
I thought an NH91 might be a good idea to help relieve the N9. This would run between Hammersmith Upper Bus Station and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route H91, then route 482. It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. I don't think the 111 should be messed around with personally. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 5, 2024 16:18:15 GMT
I thought an NH91 might be a good idea to help relieve the N9. This would run between Hammersmith Upper Bus Station and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route H91, then route 482. It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. I agree there should be a direct link to Heathrow Central along the Bath Road corridor. But I think this could work best by introducing a new route along the N9 line of route, from Heathrow to somewhere like Brentford? I've suggested before that you could restructure the 117/235 at the same time. Reroute the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital, which would provide a more frequent service than the 117. Then send the 117 to provide a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link, possibly with the H28 also being simplified slightly. The new route above would then replace the 235 to North Brentford. But as it seems DDs can't be used within the development, I would suggest to continue east onto the A4 to Kew Bridge Station, and terminating at the old 440 stand on Power Road. The North Brentford Quarter development would still be served by the existing stops on Ealing Road (towards Kew Bridge) and Great West Road (towards Hammersmith). The only issue that's been mentioned before is that it could overbus the section from Hounslow to Harlington Corner. Though rather than replacing any existing routes here, I would suggest to reduce the 222's frequency, then additionally introduce a new route from Uxbridge to Terminal 5 (which would parallel the 222 to West Drayton). This could work by rerouteing the 350, and something else covering the section from Hayes to West Drayton (perhaps the 495)? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 5, 2024 16:43:14 GMT
It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. I agree there should be a direct link to Heathrow Central along the Bath Road corridor. But I think this could work best by introducing a new route along the N9 line of route, from Heathrow to somewhere like Brentford? I've suggested before that you could restructure the 117/235 at the same time. Reroute the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital, which would provide a more frequent service than the 117. Then send the 117 to provide a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link, possibly with the H28 also being simplified slightly. The new route above would then replace the 235 to North Brentford. But as it seems DDs can't be used within the development, I would suggest to continue east onto the A4 to Kew Bridge Station, and terminating at the old 440 stand on Power Road. The North Brentford Quarter development would still be served by the existing stops on Ealing Road (towards Kew Bridge) and Great West Road (towards Hammersmith). The only issue that's been mentioned before is that it could overbus the section from Hounslow to Harlington Corner. Though rather than replacing any existing routes here, I would suggest to reduce the 222's frequency, then additionally introduce a new route from Uxbridge to Terminal 5 (which would parallel the 222 to West Drayton). This could work by rerouteing the 350, and something else covering the section from Hayes to West Drayton (perhaps the 495)? I had reason to use the 235 twice today - what an insanely crowded route that is! Why can’t it use double decks - it sorely needs that sort of capacity, even in Sunbury. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 5, 2024 16:59:47 GMT
Restructure idea around Croydon/Sutton - responding to changes from that consultation, as well as discussion around the 463, and the previously proposed SL5/SL7 changes. The only problems I can see is there would be some consternation about the loss of the link to St Helier hospital from Cheam and Worcester Park and it would be an awkward change from the 407 in Sutton and possibly some objections to all day double deckers on the Clockhouse Farm loop. Restructure idea around Croydon/Sutton - responding to changes from that consultation, as well as discussion around the 463, and the previously proposed SL5/SL7 changes. I think now TfL have dropped the SL5/SL7 changes, they should be left alone now, although I would increase the SL7 to 5bph and consider new stops at Beddington, Hanworth and Harlington Corner. For the 151/463 changes, I don't think the residents of the Clockhouse estate would be happy with double deckers running around their roads every 15 minutes, longer buses are definitely needed around there but not deckers. The 151 between Sutton and Wallington would also not cope running every 15 minutes, although if it stays on its existing routing to Worcester Park then I would suggest decreasing it from 6bph to 5bph and increasing the busier 213 from 5bph to 6bph, which is PVR neutral. I don't mind the other changes, but you appear to have left the northern half of Beddington Lane without a bus service, which is not ideal, especially with the amount of warehouses around there as well as C and BC garages. Regarding to St Helier hospital link, the S2 would continue to link from Cheam, and from Worcester Park passengers could use the 213 to Sutton which would offer easier interchange to other routes. Could even consider a short extension of the 213 to St Helier Hospital, if a suitable stand space could be created? For the revised 151 (from Sutton to Coulsdon via Hackbridge and Wallington), this could use SDs if there is opposition to DDs through the Clockhouse Estate, I'm not sure how busy the current 151 gets between Sutton and Wallington. Alternatively, the 434 could maybe take over that section, with the 151 running direct from Woodcote Green to Coulsdon (and the 151 keeping DDs in this case)? From Rickman Hill, the 434 could go via Sandown Road, then over the current 463 to Coulsdon, and onwards to Caterham? Also increased to every 20 minutes if needed. Depends if passengers in the estate require a link to Wallington, or if they mostly just go to Coulsdon. In my opinion, I think TFL should reconsider the SL5/SL7 changes, allowing the SL7 to run more reliably. If travelling from Croydon to Kingston or Heathrow, going by train will be much quicker than the SL7 - but the SL7 remains the fastest route from Sutton to Kingston/Heathrow. From Croydon, more local links to Cheam and Worcester Park would be covered by my revised 407, plus the SL5 as far as Sutton. And regardless of this, if extra stops are to be added to the western end of the SL7, I think Feltham should be included too, diverting via Hanworth Road and Hounslow Road. I think the only problem with TFL's proposals is the revised SL5 not serving West Croydon, but it could divert via the 407 instead of Croydon Flyover. In Beddington, I agree that a service should be kept along Beddington Lane, and so I would suggest to instead keep the S4 unchanged, and send the new route 305 (Pollards Hill - Croydon - Purley) via the 463 along Beddington Farm Road, then continuing east to Waddon Marsh and through to Croydon. I would also suggest some further changes in the Purley area. Not sure how well used the 439 has been since being introduced, but I still think it's unnecessary along Purley Way with the 289 converting to DDs, and some other changes could cover links south of Purley. So the 305 (which replaces the 312 to Old Lodge Lane) could divert at Purley Station to go via Foxley Hill Road, Higher Drive and Burcott Road, back to line of route at Old Lodge Lane. Would no longer serve Reedham Station, but still provides a rail link at Purley. Then the 434 would continue to go via Northwood Avenue, but adding a double run in Kenley to Park Road and Wattendon Road. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 5, 2024 17:02:01 GMT
I agree there should be a direct link to Heathrow Central along the Bath Road corridor. But I think this could work best by introducing a new route along the N9 line of route, from Heathrow to somewhere like Brentford? I've suggested before that you could restructure the 117/235 at the same time. Reroute the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital, which would provide a more frequent service than the 117. Then send the 117 to provide a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link, possibly with the H28 also being simplified slightly. The new route above would then replace the 235 to North Brentford. But as it seems DDs can't be used within the development, I would suggest to continue east onto the A4 to Kew Bridge Station, and terminating at the old 440 stand on Power Road. The North Brentford Quarter development would still be served by the existing stops on Ealing Road (towards Kew Bridge) and Great West Road (towards Hammersmith). The only issue that's been mentioned before is that it could overbus the section from Hounslow to Harlington Corner. Though rather than replacing any existing routes here, I would suggest to reduce the 222's frequency, then additionally introduce a new route from Uxbridge to Terminal 5 (which would parallel the 222 to West Drayton). This could work by rerouteing the 350, and something else covering the section from Hayes to West Drayton (perhaps the 495)? I had reason to use the 235 twice today - what an insanely crowded route that is! Why can’t it use double decks - it sorely needs that sort of capacity, even in Sunbury. I think the Brentford stand inside the development is the main reason for the 235 not being able to use DDs. But I'm not sure why it wasn't possible before that short extension from Brentford County Court took place. Sunbury shouldn't be an issue as the 216 has used DDs before. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 5, 2024 17:35:47 GMT
I had reason to use the 235 twice today - what an insanely crowded route that is! Why can’t it use double decks - it sorely needs that sort of capacity, even in Sunbury. I think the Brentford stand inside the development is the main reason for the 235 not being able to use DDs. But I'm not sure why it wasn't possible before that short extension from Brentford County Court took place. Sunbury shouldn't be an issue as the 216 has used DDs before. I think there have been objections to double deckers in Sunbury which is why the 216 no longer sees them. |
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Oct 5, 2024 18:36:38 GMT
I think the Brentford stand inside the development is the main reason for the 235 not being able to use DDs. But I'm not sure why it wasn't possible before that short extension from Brentford County Court took place. Sunbury shouldn't be an issue as the 216 has used DDs before. I think there have been objections to double deckers in Sunbury which is why the 216 no longer sees them. I’m pretty sure the objections were with residents along Harfield Road, not along Green Street, which is the section 216 and 235 have in common. The only thing stopping the 235 being double deck is GWQ. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2024 19:04:40 GMT
The only problems I can see is there would be some consternation about the loss of the link to St Helier hospital from Cheam and Worcester Park and it would be an awkward change from the 407 in Sutton and possibly some objections to all day double deckers on the Clockhouse Farm loop. I think now TfL have dropped the SL5/SL7 changes, they should be left alone now, although I would increase the SL7 to 5bph and consider new stops at Beddington, Hanworth and Harlington Corner. For the 151/463 changes, I don't think the residents of the Clockhouse estate would be happy with double deckers running around their roads every 15 minutes, longer buses are definitely needed around there but not deckers. The 151 between Sutton and Wallington would also not cope running every 15 minutes, although if it stays on its existing routing to Worcester Park then I would suggest decreasing it from 6bph to 5bph and increasing the busier 213 from 5bph to 6bph, which is PVR neutral. I don't mind the other changes, but you appear to have left the northern half of Beddington Lane without a bus service, which is not ideal, especially with the amount of warehouses around there as well as C and BC garages. Regarding to St Helier hospital link, the S2 would continue to link from Cheam, and from Worcester Park passengers could use the 213 to Sutton which would offer easier interchange to other routes. Could even consider a short extension of the 213 to St Helier Hospital, if a suitable stand space could be created? For the revised 151 (from Sutton to Coulsdon via Hackbridge and Wallington), this could use SDs if there is opposition to DDs through the Clockhouse Estate, I'm not sure how busy the current 151 gets between Sutton and Wallington. Alternatively, the 434 could maybe take over that section, with the 151 running direct from Woodcote Green to Coulsdon (and the 151 keeping DDs in this case)? From Rickman Hill, the 434 could go via Sandown Road, then over the current 463 to Coulsdon, and onwards to Caterham? Also increased to every 20 minutes if needed. Depends if passengers in the estate require a link to Wallington, or if they mostly just go to Coulsdon. In my opinion, I think TFL should reconsider the SL5/SL7 changes, allowing the SL7 to run more reliably. If travelling from Croydon to Kingston or Heathrow, going by train will be much quicker than the SL7 - but the SL7 remains the fastest route from Sutton to Kingston/Heathrow. From Croydon, more local links to Cheam and Worcester Park would be covered by my revised 407, plus the SL5 as far as Sutton. And regardless of this, if extra stops are to be added to the western end of the SL7, I think Feltham should be included too, diverting via Hanworth Road and Hounslow Road. I think the only problem with TFL's proposals is the revised SL5 not serving West Croydon, but it could divert via the 407 instead of Croydon Flyover. In Beddington, I agree that a service should be kept along Beddington Lane, and so I would suggest to instead keep the S4 unchanged, and send the new route 305 (Pollards Hill - Croydon - Purley) via the 463 along Beddington Farm Road, then continuing east to Waddon Marsh and through to Croydon. I would also suggest some further changes in the Purley area. Not sure how well used the 439 has been since being introduced, but I still think it's unnecessary along Purley Way with the 289 converting to DDs, and some other changes could cover links south of Purley. So the 305 (which replaces the 312 to Old Lodge Lane) could divert at Purley Station to go via Foxley Hill Road, Higher Drive and Burcott Road, back to line of route at Old Lodge Lane. Would no longer serve Reedham Station, but still provides a rail link at Purley. Then the 434 would continue to go via Northwood Avenue, but adding a double run in Kenley to Park Road and Wattendon Road. With all due respect, if people local to the SL7 are broadly against the proposal with the SL5 & SL7, then we should really accept their knowledge on the matter regardless of the opinions of you, me or anyone else further away. I happen to think a split would work, albeit not where TfL are thinking it should be done, but most of the locals on here think otherwise so I have to accept their view on it |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 5, 2024 20:56:23 GMT
Regarding to St Helier hospital link, the S2 would continue to link from Cheam, and from Worcester Park passengers could use the 213 to Sutton which would offer easier interchange to other routes. Could even consider a short extension of the 213 to St Helier Hospital, if a suitable stand space could be created? For the revised 151 (from Sutton to Coulsdon via Hackbridge and Wallington), this could use SDs if there is opposition to DDs through the Clockhouse Estate, I'm not sure how busy the current 151 gets between Sutton and Wallington. Alternatively, the 434 could maybe take over that section, with the 151 running direct from Woodcote Green to Coulsdon (and the 151 keeping DDs in this case)? From Rickman Hill, the 434 could go via Sandown Road, then over the current 463 to Coulsdon, and onwards to Caterham? Also increased to every 20 minutes if needed. Depends if passengers in the estate require a link to Wallington, or if they mostly just go to Coulsdon. In my opinion, I think TFL should reconsider the SL5/SL7 changes, allowing the SL7 to run more reliably. If travelling from Croydon to Kingston or Heathrow, going by train will be much quicker than the SL7 - but the SL7 remains the fastest route from Sutton to Kingston/Heathrow. From Croydon, more local links to Cheam and Worcester Park would be covered by my revised 407, plus the SL5 as far as Sutton. And regardless of this, if extra stops are to be added to the western end of the SL7, I think Feltham should be included too, diverting via Hanworth Road and Hounslow Road. I think the only problem with TFL's proposals is the revised SL5 not serving West Croydon, but it could divert via the 407 instead of Croydon Flyover. In Beddington, I agree that a service should be kept along Beddington Lane, and so I would suggest to instead keep the S4 unchanged, and send the new route 305 (Pollards Hill - Croydon - Purley) via the 463 along Beddington Farm Road, then continuing east to Waddon Marsh and through to Croydon. I would also suggest some further changes in the Purley area. Not sure how well used the 439 has been since being introduced, but I still think it's unnecessary along Purley Way with the 289 converting to DDs, and some other changes could cover links south of Purley. So the 305 (which replaces the 312 to Old Lodge Lane) could divert at Purley Station to go via Foxley Hill Road, Higher Drive and Burcott Road, back to line of route at Old Lodge Lane. Would no longer serve Reedham Station, but still provides a rail link at Purley. Then the 434 would continue to go via Northwood Avenue, but adding a double run in Kenley to Park Road and Wattendon Road. With all due respect, if people local to the SL7 are broadly against the proposal with the SL5 & SL7, then we should really accept their knowledge on the matter regardless of the opinions of you, me or anyone else further away. I happen to think a split would work, albeit not where TfL are thinking it should be done, but most of the locals on here think otherwise so I have to accept their view on it Not withstanding stand space issues, the best split in its simplist form would be Heathrow to Kingston and Kingston to Croydon. Obviously some links would be broken but the core cross Sutton link would remain. |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 6, 2024 6:23:08 GMT
I thought an NH91 might be a good idea to help relieve the N9. This would run between Hammersmith Upper Bus Station and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route H91, then route 482. It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. I can't see any need for a circular route at Heathrow. There is free travel between the terminals on the Heathrow Express and Elizabeth line trains. |
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Post by mrhk on Oct 6, 2024 6:57:11 GMT
I thought an NH91 might be a good idea to help relieve the N9. This would run between Hammersmith Upper Bus Station and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route H91, then route 482. It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. I don't think the 111 should be diverted. Hounslow is already very well connected to Heathrow fast by the Piccadilly Line and a lot of routes from Hounslow serve Hatton X and Harlington Corner where you can easily switch to a different route. An almost circular H30 did exist at some point, serving all terminals and Hatton Cross so that would idea to reinstate. If only the HFTZ could come back. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 6, 2024 7:58:19 GMT
It’s very annoying that there is no direct link from Hounslow to Heathrow, so I had some ideas in mind: 111: Rerouted between Cranford (Waye Avenue) and Great West Road direct via Bath Road/Great West Road. Would not serve Hounslow West Station. 239: New route running between Heathrow Central and Hounslow Bus Station via 111 to Great West Road, then 120 to Hounslow. A 6bph DD route 423: Extended to Brentford County Court via 235/237. Increased to 4bph I think a Heathrow circular route would be useful too, serving all the Airport Terminals, which could be numbered H15, starting and ending at Terminal 5 (As I think Central Bus Station is full). A 6bph SD route Your NH91 idea is a good one and would definitely be useful in the Hounslow West area. I don't think the 111 should be diverted. Hounslow is already very well connected to Heathrow fast by the Piccadilly Line and a lot of routes from Hounslow serve Hatton X and Harlington Corner where you can easily switch to a different route. An almost circular H30 did exist at some point, serving all terminals and Hatton Cross so that would idea to reinstate. If only the HFTZ could come back. There is still a H30 service, it operates every 20 minutes between Terminal 4 and Terminal 5 via the Cargo Village. The service is free to use and offers a landside connection between the two terminals. Early morning journeys (between 03.00 and 05.30) are extended to Hatton Cross and to Central Bus Station. This service is financed by Heathrow Airport Ltd and is currently operated by Diamond Bus. There is also a network of airside inter-terminal shuttle services, these are for passengers who are transferring to another flight and do not need to enter the UK. I can't remember off the top of my head who currently operates these. |
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Post by sdaniel on Oct 6, 2024 16:27:14 GMT
Southgate Bus Changes:
125: Colindale Superstores - Enfield Town (withdrawn between Eversley Mount and Winchmore Hill, rerouted to Enfield Town via route 456)
382: Millbrook Park - Winchmore Hill (extended to Winchmore Hill via route 125 to replace its withdrawn section with a slight increase in frequency)
Enfield is obviously a larger commercial and transport hub compared to Winchmore Hill so rerouting the 125 will give direct links from many popular destinations that the 125 currently serve such as Colindale, Hendon, Finchley Central and North Finchley.
Let me know your opinions on this take…
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