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Post by greenboy on Nov 15, 2024 14:24:13 GMT
I agree with merging the 73 and 476, did you mean just the night service on the 76 extended to Walthamstow? I don't think a daytime extension could be justified. Well there isn’t an N76 so that was why I proposed the 24hr route to extend. But the max running time is 92 minutes so it could be a bit too long, making the max running time increase to about 105 minutes. I can understand extending the night service on the 76 to Walthamstow replacing the N73 but I don't think a daytime extension is needed when the Victoria Line is running. |
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Post by sdaniel on Nov 15, 2024 14:56:50 GMT
Addressing your point about merging 73 and 476. The 73 has been cut back a lot. 73 used to run from Victoria to Seven Sisters but has been cut back a lot for it to now run from Oxford Circus to Stoke Newington. 476 used to run from Northumberland Park to Euston but has been cut back to Kings Cross and was even proposed to be further cut to Newington Green so at this point it makes no sense why 73 and 476 are different routes if they are going to continue to be curtailed otherwise they are both at risk for withdrawals. Your reasoning doesn't really make sense when suggesting for a merging of both routes - 73 used to run from Hammersmith at one point yet was cut back and a 476 was spawned in 2003 so using cut back as a justification doesn't make much sense IMO. We have no idea whether they will be curtailed further and I don't see how either route is at risk, particularly the 476 given it's been mooted on several occasions as being extended eventually to Meridian Water - neither is in the same boat as the 45 or 414. Mate, you are missing the point. Oxford Street is about to become pedestrianised and the 73 could even be cut back to Tottenham Court Road because of this. So it would be make sense to just extend the 476 down to Tottenham Court Road and withdraw the 73, leaving it at the frequency 73 currently runs through. Hence, why a lot of people are suggesting this. The history of the route has nothing to do with this particular issue that this ridiculous mayor wants to bring up by pedestrianising Oxford Street. If 73 went back to Victoria then there would be no need. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 15, 2024 14:59:15 GMT
Your reasoning doesn't really make sense when suggesting for a merging of both routes - 73 used to run from Hammersmith at one point yet was cut back and a 476 was spawned in 2003 so using cut back as a justification doesn't make much sense IMO. We have no idea whether they will be curtailed further and I don't see how either route is at risk, particularly the 476 given it's been mooted on several occasions as being extended eventually to Meridian Water - neither is in the same boat as the 45 or 414. Mate, you are missing the point. Oxford Street is about to become pedestrianised and the 73 could even be cut back to Tottenham Court Road because of this, so it would be make sense to just extend the 476 down to Tottenham Court Road and withdraw the 73, leaving it at the frequency 73 currently runs through. Hence, why a lot of people are suggesting this. I don't believe the current plans have accounted for a pedestrianisation of Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, only between Oxford Circus and Marble Arch. It's reasonable to expect routes on Oxford Street East to be unaffected as of now unless they also go onto Oxford Street West. |
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Post by sdaniel on Nov 15, 2024 15:04:08 GMT
Mate, you are missing the point. Oxford Street is about to become pedestrianised and the 73 could even be cut back to Tottenham Court Road because of this, so it would be make sense to just extend the 476 down to Tottenham Court Road and withdraw the 73, leaving it at the frequency 73 currently runs through. Hence, why a lot of people are suggesting this. I don't believe the current plans have accounted for a pedestrianisation of Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, only between Oxford Circus and Marble Arch. It's reasonable to expect routes on Oxford Street East to be unaffected as of now unless they also go onto Oxford Street West. Yes, and 390 will be affected by this change. Furthermore, where are the 55 and 73 going to stand on Oxford Circus if gets pedestrianised because the stand at Holles Street won’t be avaliable because of that |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 15, 2024 15:12:30 GMT
Your reasoning doesn't really make sense when suggesting for a merging of both routes - 73 used to run from Hammersmith at one point yet was cut back and a 476 was spawned in 2003 so using cut back as a justification doesn't make much sense IMO. We have no idea whether they will be curtailed further and I don't see how either route is at risk, particularly the 476 given it's been mooted on several occasions as being extended eventually to Meridian Water - neither is in the same boat as the 45 or 414. Mate, you are missing the point. Oxford Street is about to become pedestrianised and the 73 could even be cut back to Tottenham Court Road because of this, so it would be make sense to just extend the 476 down to Tottenham Court Road and withdraw the 73, leaving it at the frequency 73 currently runs through. Hence, why a lot of people are suggesting this. The history of the route has nothing to do with this particular issue that this ridiculous mayor wants to bring up by pedestrianising Oxford Street. If 73 went back to Victoria then there would be no need. Then you overbus the section north of Stoke Newington (6 to 10bph) whilst removing 6bph from Stoke Newington - Kings Cross and creating capacity issues. Also if there are problems in the West End, this affects the whole route. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 15, 2024 15:13:06 GMT
I don't believe the current plans have accounted for a pedestrianisation of Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, only between Oxford Circus and Marble Arch. It's reasonable to expect routes on Oxford Street East to be unaffected as of now unless they also go onto Oxford Street West. Yes, and 390 will be affected by this change. Furthermore, where are the 55 and 73 going to stand on Oxford Circus if gets pedestrianised because the stand at Holles Street won’t be avaliable because of that Some cross roads will still remain, Holles Street and Hanover Place are quite important so I can't see them being blocked off. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2024 15:35:33 GMT
Your reasoning doesn't really make sense when suggesting for a merging of both routes - 73 used to run from Hammersmith at one point yet was cut back and a 476 was spawned in 2003 so using cut back as a justification doesn't make much sense IMO. We have no idea whether they will be curtailed further and I don't see how either route is at risk, particularly the 476 given it's been mooted on several occasions as being extended eventually to Meridian Water - neither is in the same boat as the 45 or 414. Mate, you are missing the point. Oxford Street is about to become pedestrianised and the 73 could even be cut back to Tottenham Court Road because of this. So it would be make sense to just extend the 476 down to Tottenham Court Road and withdraw the 73, leaving it at the frequency 73 currently runs through. Hence, why a lot of people are suggesting this. The history of the route has nothing to do with this particular issue that this ridiculous mayor wants to bring up by pedestrianising Oxford Street. If 73 went back to Victoria then there would be no need. The key word is could - right now, all we know is a small section is to be modified and at present, this has no effect on the 73 or 476's futures as routes existing. As wirewiper pointed out, your creating overbussing issues north of Stoke Newington whilst taking out buses on the busier section so no, I still don't understand any sort of merger at all and to be clear, the group of people calling for it was happening before Oxford Street was even mooted for any pedestrianisation proposals and seemed, from the outside at least, more to be born out of misconstrued perception of empty 476's and a desire for a pre 1990's LT network, essentially a nostalgia trip if you like. I think you may need to go and read exactly why I brought up history because it was important in the context of your proposal of merging. I don't agree with pedestrianisation in general for most cases because I think it actually causes more issues, particularly with sending buses all over the place and making it less accessible to reach towns unless it's done like how Oxford has done it where buses can traverse a pedestrianised section in tandem with people and as far as I know, no major issues occur but the pedestrianisation plans should still have no bearing on the 73 & 476's futures given Oxford Street is a tiny section of one of the two routes. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 15, 2024 15:37:26 GMT
Mate, you are missing the point. Oxford Street is about to become pedestrianised and the 73 could even be cut back to Tottenham Court Road because of this, so it would be make sense to just extend the 476 down to Tottenham Court Road and withdraw the 73, leaving it at the frequency 73 currently runs through. Hence, why a lot of people are suggesting this. The history of the route has nothing to do with this particular issue that this ridiculous mayor wants to bring up by pedestrianising Oxford Street. If 73 went back to Victoria then there would be no need. Then you overbus the section north of Stoke Newington (6 to 10bph) whilst removing 6bph from Stoke Newington - Kings Cross and creating capacity issues. Also if there are problems in the West End, this affects the whole route. I think the idea is that half the service would terminate at Stoke Newington. |
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