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Post by RM5chris on Mar 25, 2020 9:48:50 GMT
To me I don’t understand why the two threads need to be separated they both do the same thing they are both fantasy. What makes the content in one thread fantasy and the other not fantasy? This thread is supposed to be a lot more logical, changes that TFL would actually make or realistic ideas that would be practical in today’s climate, whereas the fantasy one is an anything goes kind of thread whereby you can come up with anything you desire. But who decides what is logical? Lol |
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Post by rif153 on Mar 25, 2020 9:55:16 GMT
To me I don’t understand why the two threads need to be separated they both do the same thing they are both fantasy. What makes the content in one thread fantasy and the other not fantasy? As others such as vjaska have said this thread should be for credible, realistic, feasible ideas. The fantasy thread should be for unrealistic, idealistic ideas which members have. |
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Post by redexpress on Mar 25, 2020 12:20:57 GMT
This thread is supposed to be a lot more logical, changes that TFL would actually make or realistic ideas that would be practical in today’s climate, whereas the fantasy one is an anything goes kind of thread whereby you can come up with anything you desire. But who decides what is logical? Lol We all do! I'd say the difference is that in this thread people can be challenged to explain and justify their ideas, whereas in the fantasy thread you can just say "because I want to". |
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2020 13:24:39 GMT
To me I don’t understand why the two threads need to be separated they both do the same thing they are both fantasy. What makes the content in one thread fantasy and the other not fantasy? As others such as vjaska have said this thread should be for credible, realistic, feasible ideas. The fantasy thread should be for unrealistic, idealistic ideas which members have. Who says what are credible, feasible ideas? |
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2020 13:26:22 GMT
But who decides what is logical? Lol We all do! I'd say the difference is that in this thread people can be challenged to explain and justify their ideas, whereas in the fantasy thread you can just say "because I want to". But even in the fantasy thread peoples ideas are being challenged. |
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Post by redexpress on Mar 25, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
We all do! I'd say the difference is that in this thread people can be challenged to explain and justify their ideas, whereas in the fantasy thread you can just say "because I want to". But even in the fantasy thread peoples ideas are being challenged. That's true, and I've probably been guilty of that myself. Hopefully in the fantasy thread it should be possible for people to say "it's just fantasy" if anyone challenges them. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2020 14:01:16 GMT
331: extended from Ruislip to Northwood Hills via route H13 to Northwood Hils. To reconnect lost links lost by the H13 and to links Northwood Hills with Uxbridge.
350: withdrawn between West Drayton and Hayes Asda. Diverted to Wood End via route U1 to Ruislip, West End Road, route E7 to White Hart Roundabout, route 140 to Pett’s Hill, Whitton Avenue West and route 398 to Wood End. Linking Northolt and Ruislip to Heathrow Terminal 5.
H50: new route running between West Drayton and Hayes Asda via route 350 to Hayes Asda. To reconnect lost links.
U1: Withdrawn between Uxbridge and Ruislip. Withdrawn between Hillingdon Hospital and West Drayton. Diverted to Ruislip via Pield Heath Road, Harlington Road, West Day Road, Uxbridge Road, Lansbury Drive, route 90 to Kingshill Avenue, Yeading Lane, Willow Tree Lane, Willow Tree Roundabout, Glencoe Road, route E6 to Broadmead Road, Ruislip Road, West End Road, Station Approach, South Ruislip Station, Long Drive, Victoria Road and route 114 to Ruislip. To link Yeading and Ruislip Gardens with Hillingdon Hospital.
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2020 14:03:13 GMT
But even in the fantasy thread peoples ideas are being challenged. That's true, and I've probably been guilty of that myself. Hopefully in the fantasy thread it should be possible for people to say "it's just fantasy" if anyone challenges them. But even if it’s a fantasy people are still challenging the ideas in that thread. It’s like some people can’t tell the difference. |
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Post by rif153 on Mar 25, 2020 14:18:09 GMT
As others such as vjaska have said this thread should be for credible, realistic, feasible ideas. The fantasy thread should be for unrealistic, idealistic ideas which members have. Who says what are credible, feasible ideas? Well one has to use their judgement andit is subjective. I'd say that if you think it's something which could realistically work in practice then put it on this thread, if not put it on the fantasy thread. If I doubt I go on the fantasy thread. Before someone says few of these ideas would happen anyway I'd encourage such people to imagine their proposal in practice. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2020 14:26:32 GMT
Who says what are credible, feasible ideas? Well one has to use their judgement andit is subjective. I'd say that if you think it's something which could realistically work in practice then put it on this thread, if not put it on the fantasy thread. If I doubt I go on the fantasy thread. Before someone says few of these ideas would happen anyway I'd encourage such people to imagine their proposal in practice. But even if you think it’s real or not real they are fantasies. |
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Post by danorak on Mar 25, 2020 15:53:16 GMT
Perhaps 'fantasy' is not the ideal term but I would hope the general logic of it was fairly clear.
I would put my childhood idea of extending the 149 to run from Waltham Cross to Knockholt Pound (come on, I was 8) on the fantasy thread, and a plan to restore the 341 to New Fetter Lane on here.
Maybe it should be 'Extreme service change ideas' like an ITV3 reality show!
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 25, 2020 16:18:41 GMT
Perhaps 'fantasy' is not the ideal term but I would hope the general logic of it was fairly clear. I would put my childhood idea of extending the 149 to run from Waltham Cross to Knockholt Pound (come on, I was 8) on the fantasy thread, and a plan to restore the 341 to New Fetter Lane on here. Maybe it should be 'Extreme service change ideas' like an ITV3 reality show! Always thought the 172 if extended back to Clerkenwell Green should use New Fetter Lane and Charterhouse Street in both directions. Sensible idea though |
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2020 18:57:28 GMT
I’m sorry it’s a long read.
7/N7: Extended from Oxford Circus to Aldwych via route 139 to Cockspur Street and route 6 to Aldwych. To link Paddington to Central London.
10/N10: new route running between King’s Cross and Hammersmith (continues to Fulwell at night) via route 91 to Russell Square, Bedford Place, Great Russell Street, route 73 to Oxford Street, Regent Street, Hanover Street, Hanover Square, Holles Street, Cavendish Square, Henrietta Place, Wimpole Street, Wigmore Street, Portman Square, Orchard Street, route 13 to Hyde Park Corner and route 23 to Hammersmith (the night service will continue to Fulwell via route N33 to Fulwell). To link King’s Cross with Hammersmith.
23: withdrawn between Marble Arch and Hammersmith. Rerouted between Marble Arch and Paddington via Bayswater Road, Lancaster Gate and route 46. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Wembley Central via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, route 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s and route 92 to Wembley.
48: New route running between Leyton Bakers Arms and Elephant & Castle. Via route 55 to Hackney Road, route 26 to Liverpool Street and route 35 to Elephant & Castle. To link Leyton and Hackney with London Bridge and Elephant & Castle.
92: withdrawn between Greenford Station and Ealing Hospital via Uneeda Drive (Rockware Avenue towards St Raphael’s North), Greenford Road and Green Park Drive. Withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and St Raphael’s. Diverted to Brent Park Tesco’s via Harrow Road, North Circular Road, Drury Way and route 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s. To help assist the 18.
204: Discontinued.
206: rerouted between Acton Lane and Empire Way via route 224 to Central Middlesex Hospital, route 440 to Wembley Stadium Station and Empire Way. To maintain the links lost by the 440.
218: withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Rerouted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Extended from North Acton to Stonebridge Park. Linking West Acton with Turnham Green and Central Middlesex Hospital.
223: Discontinued.
224: withdrawn between Harlesden and St Raphael’s. Diverted to Maida Hill via route 228 to Shepherds Bush Station, route 316 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and route 228 to Maida Hill. Extended from Alperton Sainsbury’s to Perivale Medway Estate via route 297 to Teignmouth Gardens and route E5 to Perivale Medway Estate. To maintain links lost by the 228 and to provide new links for Perivale and Alperton,
228: Discontinued.
303: extended from Kingsbury to Birchen Grove via Fryent Way, The Paddocks, route 206 to Drury Way, North Circular Road, Neasden Lane North, Neasden Underpass, Neasden Lane, Neasden Shopping Centre, Birse Crescent, Neasden Underpass, Neasden Lane North and Birchen Grove. To provide a new link between Edgware and Colindale with Neasden and Brent Park Tesco’s.
392: a new route running between Harrow and Ealing Broadway via route 182 to Northwick Park Hospital, Watford Road, Sudbury Court Drive, Harrow Road, Greenford Road, Sudbury Hill Station, Berkeley Avenue, Oldfield Lane North, route 92 to Ealing Hospital, route 427 to Hanwell and route E8 to Ealing Broadway. To provide a direct link between Harrow and Ealing. To link North Greenford with Ealing.
395: Discontinued.
398: Withdrawn between South Harrow and Wood End.
437: new route running between Wembley Stadium and Southall Town Hall via Fouth Way, South Way, First Way, Engineers Way, Empire Way, Wembley Arena, Wembley Hill Road, Wembley Stadium Station, Wembley High Road, Wembley Central Station, Ealing Road, Alperton, Bridgewater Road, Whitton Avenue East, Sudbury Town Station, Greenford Road, Westway Cross, Greenford Roundabout, Greenford Broadway, Uxbridge Road, South Road and Hamilton Road. To link Alperton and Wembley with Southall.
440: withdrawn between Central Middlesex Hospital and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Wembley via route 224 to Drury Way, double run via Besant Way and Pitfield Way for St Raphael’s Estate, Drury Way and route 92 to Wembley Central. Withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Converted to double deck. To link Wembley with Hammersmith and to maintain a link between Central Middlesex and Acton with Wembley. To also link Hammersmith with Wembley and Harrow.
452: Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's. Diverted to Westbourne Park via route 23. To maintain links lost by route 23.
482: extended from Southall Town Hall to Sudbury Town Station via South Road, Lady Margaret Road, Kensington Road, Western Avenue, Target Roundabout, Church Road, Mandeville Road, Northolt Station, Pett’s Hill, Whitton Avenue West, Greenford Road, Sudbury Hill Station, Sudbury Hill Harrow Station, Harrow Road, Sudbury & Harrow Road Station, Bridgewater Road and Station Approach. To link Sudbury with Heathrow Terminal 5 and Northolt.
E1: extended from Greenford Broadway to Harrow via Greenford Road, Westway Cross, Whitton Avenue West, route 487 to South Harrow and 395 to Harrow. To relief the 92 and provide a direct link between Harrow and North Greenford.
E8: rerouted between Ealing Broadway and Hanwell Broadway via route E1 to Drayton Bridge Road, Greenford Avenue, Hanwell Station, Church Road and Uxbridge Road. To minimise the routes on Uxbridge Road.
H9/H10: Discontinued.
H12: Extended from South Harrow to Northwick Park Hospital via route 395 to Harrow and route H9 to Northwick Park Hospital. To link Pinner with Northwick Park Hospital.
H13: withdrawn between Pembroke Road and Northwood Hills. Diverted to Harrow Weald Long Elms via Park Way, Elm Avenue, Eastcote, North View, Eastern Avenue, Village Way, Village Way East, Imperial Way, Station Road, North Harrow Station, Pinner Road and route 183 to Harrow and H19 to Harrow Weald Elm Lane. To link Harrow Weald with Ruislip and Ruislip Lido. Converted to double deck.
H15: new route running between Noerhwick Park Hospital and Westway Cross via route H9 to South Harrow and route 395 to Westway Cross. To link Westway Cross with Northwick Park Hospital, Rayners Lane and Wealdstone,
H16: new route running between Harrow Weald and Wood End via route H19 to Harrow, route 223 to Wembley Central, Ranelagh Road, Chaplin Road, Harrow Road, Sudbury & Harrow Road Station, Sudbury Hill, Churchill Clementine Hospital, Roxeth Hill, route 258 to South Harrow and route 398 to Wood End. To maintain links lost by routes 223 and H18/H19. To link South Harrow with Wembley.
H17: Extended from Wembley Central to Edgware via route 204. Converted to double deck. To maintain links lost by route 204.
H18/H19: Discontinued.
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Post by ssmoquette on Mar 29, 2020 17:23:04 GMT
Hey all, got an idea which hopefully isn't too crazy...
272: Withdrawn between White City and Shepherd's Bush. Buses would head on to Ariel Way, alight passengers at a new alighting point, then continue into the bus station. Buses would start from stop WG, the same as the 228, back towards Chiswick. Passengers can change to the 49, 207, 228, 237, 260, 607 or C1 within the bus station or use the 72 or 283 from East Acton. This is to increase reliability as Shepherd's Bush Green is hell in rush hour and at weekends. Withdrawn between Turnham Green Church and Chiswick, Grove Park, replaced with C30. Frequency reduced to 3bph (every 20 minutes)
440: Right, time to sort out the routing in Chiswick...
Routing changed between South Acton level crossings and Turnham Green to run via Bollo Lane, Acton Lane, Chiswick High Road & Town Hall Avenue, where a new bus stop will be added replacing parking. The route will then head to Chiswick, Business Park via the current route. On the way back it will head along the current route to the junction of Sutton Lane North and Chiswick High Road, where the route would then head along Acton Lane and Bollo Lane back to the level crossings.
This is to make the more popular link to Turnham Green Church quicker than the less popular link to the Business Park, which can still be accessed by changing to the 70 by the level crossing or on Acton High Street.
E3: Withdrawn between Turnham Green and Chiswick, Edensor Road, replaced by new route C30. Route extended to Chiswick Business Park, along Chiswick High Road and roads within the business park to the old 27 stand. Two new bus stops would be added towards the southern end of the park to serve buildings towards the south of the park better. This replaces the direct link previously served by the 27 before the service changes in March 2018.
C30: New route to provide better service for Grove Park. Starts at Edensor Road stand, then Edensor Road, Great Chertsey Road, Hartington Road, Cavendish Road, Spencer Road (Bolton Road southbound), Grove Park Bridge, Sutton Court Road, Heathfield Terrace, Sutton Lane North (Town Hall Avenue southbound), Chiswick High Road, then a one way loop along Clifton Gardens, Dolman Road, Fisher's Lane, South Parade, Turnham Green Terrace and back to Chiswick High Road. This bus would run every 8 minutes with single deckers. For school services to Chiswick School, another route would operate. This is to provide a more frequent link to some areas of Grove Park and better access to the tube.
630: New school route to serve peak traffic flows from Chiswick School. Starts from Edensor Road out-of-service, heading into service at Staveley Road bus stop, then Burlington Lane, Sutton Court Road, Heathfield Terrace, Chiswick High Road, Turnham Green Terrace, The Avenue, Southfield Road, Acton Lane, Winchester Street (Acton Lane and Salisbury Street southbound), Acton High Street and The Vale, terminating at the 306 stand at Acton Vale. This service follows the E3 route, then heads east to Acton Vale. There are 2 AM and 2 PM departures on Monday to Friday schooldays only. This service is to provide a double decker following the E3 route from Turnham Green, without requiring people to change.
Hope this wasn't too crazy.
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 2, 2020 17:25:27 GMT
Post Coronavirus
Less routes but longer eg
Reinstating some old routes . People travel habits will have been changed. Anyone agree?
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