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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 27, 2021 10:38:10 GMT
No no no no way!! I know someone won't be very pleased with this if swap with 269/162. Agree : all this achieves is swapping the 269 issue to the 162. As a general observation, am really quite pleased that a big section of the forum agree with me that the 269 would benefit from being moved out of the Bromley North terminal!
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 27, 2021 12:32:22 GMT
Well, traffic wise they aren't Central London levels. The A315 can bugger up in the peaks but that's about it. You've clearly never been around that area, especially Knightsbridge, before!! Even during lockdown the 52 suffers from curtailments and bunching because of the traffic in that area. This can occur throughout the day, not just the main peak. I'd say Knightsbridge is probably amongst the worst traffic in central London. The A315 is Knightsbridge and I totally agree but not as bad as Oxford Street or routes like the 139. It's definitely had more issues since the Park Lane Cycle lane was introduced because everyone now cuts through the parks.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 27, 2021 13:27:42 GMT
No no no no way!! I know someone won't be very pleased with this if swap with 269/162. Agree : all this achieves is swapping the 269 issue to the 162. As a general observation, am really quite pleased that a big section of the forum agree with me that the 269 would benefit from being moved out of the Bromley North terminal! I’ve never been a fan of how the 269 serves Bromley ever since my first ride on it, if there was a right turn from the stands onto Tweedy Road, then you could at least allow the 269 to serve Market Square in both directions rather than the two different routings it does do so down to Bromley South sounds like a good idea for better connections to the high street as well as Bromley South being the more important station.
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Post by Paul on Feb 27, 2021 14:10:41 GMT
Probably wouldn’t be so bad at the moment but when things get back to normal there’s probably going to be too much traffic to have (at least) two buses sitting there. Additionally, some bright spark at the council decided that it was appropriate to have parking on the opposite side of the road so with buses standing at stop Q you’ve reduced a two way road to a single lane I’ve idly wondered whether or not you could send the 269 down to Downham via the 208/320. There’s not a huge amount of traffic issues over that section, it opens up new links and means the 269 can serve Bromley far more efficiently than it does now I came up with the idea of extending the 269 from Bromley to Beckenham Junction via Park Langley, instead of the 162. You could then have the 162 terminate at Bromley North Station in the 269’s place. I think that extension might be a tad too far for the 269. How about returning the 126 to Beckenham Junction, putting the 269 on the current 126 stand and terminating the 162 at the Simpsons Road stand?
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Post by TB123 on Feb 27, 2021 14:35:56 GMT
I came up with the idea of extending the 269 from Bromley to Beckenham Junction via Park Langley, instead of the 162. You could then have the 162 terminate at Bromley North Station in the 269’s place. I think that extension might be a tad too far for the 269. How about returning the 126 to Beckenham Junction, putting the 269 on the current 126 stand and terminating the 162 at the Simpsons Road stand? Think the 126 frequency might be a bit excessive for the Beckenham extension. Interestingly if either were extended they'd both have a similar trip cycle time. I think a 269 extension would work
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Post by dashing0ne on Feb 27, 2021 16:04:21 GMT
On this thread only there should be a rule and that is: 'Only suggest changing anything to a route unless you are a local, work on the route (a driver for example) or know the route well due to other reasons such as travel to work and school.'
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 27, 2021 16:45:00 GMT
On this thread only there should be a rule and that is: 'Only suggest changing anything to a route unless you are a local, work on the route (a driver for example) or know the route well due to other reasons such as travel to work and school.' I think a majority of people do : it doesn’t need a formal rule.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 16:49:56 GMT
On this thread only there should be a rule and that is: 'Only suggest changing anything to a route unless you are a local, work on the route (a driver for example) or know the route well due to other reasons such as travel to work and school.' To be honest most of the suggestions on this thread now are entirely fantasy and don’t belong here at all. There is a fantasy thread for 99% of the post here.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 27, 2021 17:28:01 GMT
On this thread only there should be a rule and that is: 'Only suggest changing anything to a route unless you are a local, work on the route (a driver for example) or know the route well due to other reasons such as travel to work and school.' The issue has been how people suggest - example if its a difference between introducing 1 route than breaking 5 up then the introducing 1 route thing is far better. There are other issues like stigmas including long = unreliable but also certain members trying to push across their agenda and that everything needs to be cut (to me, those members in particular are causing the issues) Certain members are also using this thread for them to spread dislike about certain members
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Post by VMH2537 on Feb 27, 2021 18:51:08 GMT
On this thread only there should be a rule and that is: 'Only suggest changing anything to a route unless you are a local, work on the route (a driver for example) or know the route well due to other reasons such as travel to work and school.' I absolutely agree with you, the locals or people who know the area well will know what will work best for them. That's why especially when it comes to the Bourough of Enfield which is my local bourough I tend to be against any suggested revolution that will ruin the network.
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 27, 2021 19:40:55 GMT
Agree : all this achieves is swapping the 269 issue to the 162. As a general observation, am really quite pleased that a big section of the forum agree with me that the 269 would benefit from being moved out of the Bromley North terminal! I’ve never been a fan of how the 269 serves Bromley ever since my first ride on it, if there was a right turn from the stands onto Tweedy Road, then you could at least allow the 269 to serve Market Square in both directions rather than the two different routings it does do so down to Bromley South sounds like a good idea for better connections to the high street as well as Bromley South being the more important station. Until 2013 the 269 returned Bexleyheath bound via East Street, but they cocked it up when they put new paving slabs down etc. It was much better back then.
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 27, 2021 21:00:04 GMT
I came up with the idea of extending the 269 from Bromley to Beckenham Junction via Park Langley, instead of the 162. You could then have the 162 terminate at Bromley North Station in the 269’s place.[/quote] No no no no way!! I know someone won't be very pleased with this if swap with 269/162. [/quote] I’d much prefer it as a regular user of the 269.
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 27, 2021 22:27:34 GMT
Just a small one 131 extended to the Charlmont Road (Tooting, The Mitre) bus stand. This reduces the pressure on the Longley Road stand, where there are often many buses making it hard to manoeuvre and it means that the 131 has stops on Mitcham Road, which it currently doesn't. Just looked at Google Maps, surprised that there are actually 2 separate 1-bus stands there! 280 extended to Garrat Lane, Wimbledon Road stand. This reduces the pressure on the St Georges Hospital stand, which is often overflowing, meaning that traffic (including ambulances) have difficulty getting past. Buses would run in both directions via Tooting High Street & Blackshaw Road until Fountain Road, onto which buses will turn, then left onto Garrat Lane, then left onto Wimbledon Road to the stand. Then from stand, left onto Blackshaw Road back towards hospital. This ensures that the link to the Hospital & Tooting High Street is maintained. Circle indicates main/popular bus stops (not all are listed, and may be slightly off), Rectangle indicates stand, Arrow indicates direction of travel (if no arrow, then buses go in both directions) Attachment Deleted
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 27, 2021 22:28:24 GMT
Just a small one 131 extended to the Charlmont Road (Tooting, The Mitre) bus stand. This reduces the pressure on the Longley Road stand, where there are often many buses making it hard to manoeuvre and it means that the 131 has stops on Mitcham Road, which it currently doesn't. Just looked at Google Maps, surprised that there are actually 2 separate 1-bus stands there! 280 extended to Garrat Lane, Wimbledon Road stand. This reduces the pressure on the St Georges Hospital stand, which is often overflowing, meaning that traffic (including ambulances) have difficulty getting past. Buses would run in both directions via Tooting High Street & Blackshaw Road until Fountain Road, onto which buses will turn, then left onto Garrat Lane, then left onto Wimbledon Road to the stand. Then from stand, left onto Blackshaw Road back towards hospital. This ensures that the link to the Hospital & Tooting High Street is maintained. Circle indicates main/popular bus stops (not all are listed, and may be slightly off), Rectangle indicates stand, Arrow indicates direction of travel (if no arrow, then buses go in both directions) View AttachmentCurrent route : (Separate post due to attachment limit) Attachment Deleted
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Post by LJ17THF on Feb 27, 2021 23:05:38 GMT
Just a small one 131 extended to the Charlmont Road (Tooting, The Mitre) bus stand. This reduces the pressure on the Longley Road stand, where there are often many buses making it hard to manoeuvre and it means that the 131 has stops on Mitcham Road, which it currently doesn't. Just looked at Google Maps, surprised that there are actually 2 separate 1-bus stands there! 280 extended to Garrat Lane, Wimbledon Road stand. This reduces the pressure on the St Georges Hospital stand, which is often overflowing, meaning that traffic (including ambulances) have difficulty getting past. Buses would run in both directions via Tooting High Street & Blackshaw Road until Fountain Road, onto which buses will turn, then left onto Garrat Lane, then left onto Wimbledon Road to the stand. Then from stand, left onto Blackshaw Road back towards hospital. This ensures that the link to the Hospital & Tooting High Street is maintained. Circle indicates main/popular bus stops (not all are listed, and may be slightly off), Rectangle indicates stand, Arrow indicates direction of travel (if no arrow, then buses go in both directions) View AttachmentI like this idea, it isn't unrealistic, and could lead to something beneficial, although I'm not sure of how it may affect the reliability on the routes as Tooting can get quite congested (at least, it was in December, when I last went, especially with LTN's). By the way, on Charlmont Road, there are 3 stands (one at the beginning, middle and end), but one doesn't seem to have a post indicating it, just the road markings. The Wimbledon Road stand may need a slight extension, though, as I think a one bus space might not suffice for the 280.
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