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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 20, 2021 8:35:14 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand?
Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill.
Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital.
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Post by aaron1 on Jun 20, 2021 8:46:39 GMT
14 extend to Hornsey Rise via Kings Cross, Caledonian Road, Holloway, Hornsey Road Hornsey Road if that is to far then only Kings Cross This give Hyde Park Corner and Knightsbridge a link to King's cross back when 10 was withdrawn
N14 New route running New night route running from Hornsey Rise or Kings Cross to Kingston Station via Tottenham Court Road Shaftesbury Avenue Piccadilly Circus Hyde Park Corner Brompton Road South Kensington Fulham Road Fulham Broadway Putney Bridge Putney Oxford Road Putney Heath Kingston Vale Kingston Hill Norbiton Kingston this give out new night links
22 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Green Park then extend to Holborn Circus via Shaftesbury Ave and Chancery Lane I think that Liverpool Street is a bit to far
74 extend to London Zoo via 274 This give new links to the Zoo
274 extend to Notting Hill Gate via 94 this help 94 and 148 when 390 was rerouted from Notting Hill Gate
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Post by VMH2537 on Jun 20, 2021 9:27:57 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand? Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill. Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital. The 288 rumours are unlikely to be true as ealier the people working for TFL or operaters told us they have not heard anything of it
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 20, 2021 9:33:09 GMT
14 extend to Hornsey Rise via Kings Cross, Caledonian Road, Holloway, Hornsey Road Hornsey Road if that is to far then only Kings Cross This give Hyde Park Corner and Knightsbridge a link to King's cross back when 10 was withdrawn N14 New route running New night route running from Hornsey Rise or Kings Cross to Kingston Station via Tottenham Court Road Shaftesbury Avenue Piccadilly Circus Hyde Park Corner Brompton Road South Kensington Fulham Road Fulham Broadway Putney Bridge Putney Oxford Road Putney Heath Kingston Vale Kingston Hill Norbiton Kingston this give out new night links 22 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Green Park then extend to Holborn Circus via Shaftesbury Ave and Chancery Lane I think that Liverpool Street is a bit to far 74 extend to London Zoo via 274 This give new links to the Zoo 274 extend to Notting Hill Gate via 94 this help 94 and 148 when 390 was rerouted from Notting Hill Gate 14 extension definitely not viable in terms of running time. Is the 74 really needed to the zoo, especially as the 274 now uses double deckers? Not sure it is, although the traditionalist in me would love to see the 74 returning there.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 20, 2021 11:28:41 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand? Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill. Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital. The 288 rumours are unlikely to be true as ealier the people working for TFL or operaters told us they have not heard anything of it The person who told us works for BT being Edgware Garage where the 288 runs. The 384 is also I believe going through a second consultation and I reckon due to it terminating in Edgware it could very well take on the Queensbury section
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 20, 2021 12:22:30 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand? Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill. Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital. Like these ideas, and agree that a direct Barnet-Southgate link would be useful. However, I think this might be better achieved by diverting the 184 to serve Southgate, which would be more direct towards Barnet than going via Cockfosters. Would just need to swap around some of the routeings around Southgate and Arnos Grove etc, possibly involving the 298 no longer serving Southgate (with links covered by the 299 and revised 184).
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 20, 2021 12:57:47 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand? Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill. Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital. Like these ideas, and agree that a direct Barnet-Southgate link would be useful. However, I think this might be better achieved by diverting the 184 to serve Southgate, which would be more direct towards Barnet than going via Cockfosters. Would just need to swap around some of the routeings around Southgate and Arnos Grove etc, possibly involving the 298 no longer serving Southgate (with links covered by the 299 and revised 184). I think a hospital link would be more attractive so to me a revised 384 would be a better idea. I understand the 384 isn't the most direct but definitely by the looks of things it does seem to be getting busier, I know the 440 was a similar one. Though I would also revise the 384 to serve The Spires in both directions as I find it weird how it doesn't when that looks like a place of demand.
Or the other option could be curtailing the 384 at New Barnet but then extending the 299 round the 384s old routing to Barnet Hospital, however this would increase the number of buses between High Barnet and New Barnet which is a section that doesn't seem to be too popular. I would maybe keep the 384 as it is at the mo (with maybe a revision of routing round Barnet High Street and perhaps reserving Northfield Road which is over 400m from the nearest bus route).
To me I think TFL tried a bit too hard to turn the 384 into a 251, which has massively outgrown what it once was but I suspect one of the reasons for it's success was serving big interchangeable areas such as MHB, Edgware, Whetstone and Arnos Grove but also because Totteridge Common is generally a very free flowing road but another reason for it's success is it is mainly very direct which the 384 definitely struggles on even on it's revised routing. I'd also maybe consider the 251s growth to be prominent due to the hopper fare and also Edgware Community Hospital downgrading it's facilities. But coming back to the initial idea of the 184/298, I don't know whether TFL would consider adding another 2 buses down Osidge Lane - I know the 382 does struggle during the peaks but whether it is needed outside of the peaks is up for debate.
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Post by Just an MCV Evolution.. on Jun 20, 2021 19:08:08 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand? Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill. Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital. A good idea, however the 384 is gonna need some bigger buses as it already takes on the job of edgware to barnet link
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 20, 2021 19:12:55 GMT
Instead of the recent canteen talk surrounding a possible 384 extension in place of the 288 - could a Southgate to Barnet link be of more demand? Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate and Cockfosters. But extended via the initial 268 extension plans from Muswell Hill but then terminating at Royal Free Hospital. This would go via East Finchley, Highgate, Kenwood House & Hampstead. Definitely better links to these places would be appreciated and I imagine there is demand for Southgate from the west. The 234 would possibly be cutback to Muswell Hill. Route 384: Extended from Cockfosters Station to Southgate. I advocate this because Southgate would gain new links to JCoSS, New Barnet, High Barnet & Barnet Hospital. A good idea, however the 384 is gonna need some bigger buses as it already takes on the job of edgware to barnet link I don't think there's any doubt the 384 will need bigger buses however I would question if they are able to navigate Westbrook Crescent & Salisbury Road (not the section the 326 takes but the section before that that is extremely narrow and for some reason I don't understand why TFL couldn't have just routed both directions of the 384 via The Spires). Definitely will need an increased frequency as 3 buses an hour I doubt will be enough particularly with the demand that the link could potentially have and even if the 384 was to pick up the 288s section to Queensbury like was suggested in canteen talk the 288 uses longer buses and could potentially have capacity issues on the 384. And that would not be mentioning the impact that the Barnet fans would have when travelling to The Hive (which is to those outside of the area Barnet FCs home stadium which is currently situated on the 288)
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Post by COBO on Jun 23, 2021 1:55:15 GMT
143: withdrawn between during Monday to Friday daytime between Hendon Central and Brent Cross Shopping Centre. 143D and 643: Discontined. 443: a new route running between Brent Cross and Archway. Via route 143 to Hendon Lane, Gravel Hill, East End Road, High Road East Finchley and route 143 to Archway. It's a double deck route that runs Monday to Friday during the daytime to support the 143. This route was inspired by the 143A.
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Post by busboy17 on Jun 23, 2021 2:45:08 GMT
I think the 330 was really considered for Canary Whalf. Personally don't think there would be much demand for the 330 to Canary Wharf - You have both the DLR and Jubilee Line from Canning Town and two bus stops on from Canning Bus Station you can change buses at All Saints for the D6, D7, D8 all which serve Canary Wharf. I would much prefer the 15 extended back to Canning Town provide better westbound links but this will never happen.
Why not extend either the D7 to Canning Town it’s not extended that far and could probably cope with the same or +2 frequency which could be sourced once the 180 moves to stagecoach?
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Post by busboy17 on Jun 23, 2021 3:51:41 GMT
Some interesting ideas, problem with the 119 rerouting is a width restriction near West Wickham Station. I'm not sure there would be enough demand for the 194 rerouting to New Addington, I would think most people would use Tramlink with a change at Sandilands for the Elmers End and Beckenham area. I certainly think the 353 should be returned to Croydon and I would agree with replacing the 358 south of Bromley with an extension of the R9 stand space permitting. I'm not sure about the 464/R2 change bearing in mind that the R2 has no late evening or Sunday service but the 464 does although I think the 464 could be extended to Forestdale replacing the 353, very little demand on that section. With excess capacity on the 353 to Forestdale, could the 359 even extend there, with a double run maintained to Addington Interchange? Though part of the idea of extending the 464 would be link Forestdale to the shops at New Addington, as previously covered by the T31. In either case, a 2bhp SD service might be more appropriate than 3bhp DD. With the 359, I also thought a short extension from Purley could be useful, in place of the 439 proposal. The 359 could extend to serve the Higher Drive area, keeping the lower-capacity 434 via Northwood Drive. For the Waddon section of the 439, a frequency increase or DD conversion on the 289 would be sufficient, with interchange between routes at Purley if needed. Would an extension of the 433 to Orpington be out of the question?
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Post by busboy17 on Jun 23, 2021 4:00:08 GMT
Total lack of knowledge of the area. The 119 being rerouted via areas that barely justify 3 bph service let alone a 5bph double decker. I totally agree, as with many of these suggestions it's all lines on maps and not looking at each section individually. To be honest I doubt much of that proposal is needed, TFL are clearly doing reshuffle schemes where they see fit which is why there's consultations on Croydon (where the proposal mainly is) & Sutton and soon to be Haringey, Enfield & possibly Barnet. I’d extend the 126 and use crown lane to turn around and use the stand on crown lane spur and extend the 199 to Bromley south using the 126 stand (as double deckers have stood there before) also providing Greenwich Deptford and Surrey quays with a direct link to downham and Bromley during the day
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 23, 2021 7:06:54 GMT
143: withdrawn between during Monday to Friday daytime between Hendon Central and Brent Cross Shopping Centre. 143D and 643: Discontined. 443: a new route running between Brent Cross and Archway. Via route 143 to Hendon Lane, Gravel Hill, East End Road, High Road East Finchley and route 143 to Archway. It's a double deck route that runs Monday to Friday during the daytime to support the 143. This route was inspired by the 143A. Presumably you would also reduce the frequencies otherwise you would have too many buses over the common sections of the 143 and 443. Personally I would leave the 143/143D/643 as is and tweak the frequencies to cover the busiest times - for all the protests that it is overloaded, it only runs at a 12 minute frequency most of the time. The other alternative would be to have a much shorter 143 operating between Finchley Church End and East Finchley Station only (or terminals in those vicinities) and leave everything else to the 443.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 23, 2021 7:18:51 GMT
143: withdrawn between during Monday to Friday daytime between Hendon Central and Brent Cross Shopping Centre. 143D and 643: Discontined. 443: a new route running between Brent Cross and Archway. Via route 143 to Hendon Lane, Gravel Hill, East End Road, High Road East Finchley and route 143 to Archway. It's a double deck route that runs Monday to Friday during the daytime to support the 143. This route was inspired by the 143A. Once again, you're overcomplicating an issue that can easily be solved by decking the 143. In this proposal you have not addressed the 143 overcrowding problems from Brent Cross on the weekends, how would you address this? Your proposal doesn't solve many problems
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