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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 24, 2021 10:39:38 GMT
I think that the situation is getting worse more in recent times than historical times. The amount of people who get off a D7 or D8 and dangerously cross the road to the Bazely Street stop, only to completely overcrowd a very well loaded 115 is increasing rapidly. I know whenever I'm driving around that area to keep an extreme watch out for people crossing the road in a large crowd, which is almost always followed by a D8 then trying to make that impossibly hard turn towards the A12. I do feel sorry for anyone waiting for the 115 down East India Dock Road as most often the bus flies past without even hesitating due to the load its carrying already. The D7 or even the D3 as mentioned would be a good addition. I think a slightly glossed over fact is that many people go to the shopping centres at Canary Wharf and its a lot closer in the grand scheme than Westfield is to the area despite having a similar quality of shops such as Zara, Waitrose etc. It's almost like East London and South London both have a barrier which minimal routes must cross, down South you have to really hunt for a route going from the SE to the SW, while in the East you'd be hard pressed to find a route from somewhere like Plaistow, Manor Park, Ilford or Barking going any further West than Stratford or Canning Town. I know it would break links but think the D8 would find it much easier to turn if it used Cotton Street instead.
I do agree about east London being link a mini island cut off the A13 don't help matters especially in the Canning Town and Plaistow areas as when any problems occur we are left with pretty much no buses. Perhaps a whole Newham review should have taken place instead of just the South Newham / Elizabeth Line changes! We last had a proper review in 1993.
It's like the entire bus network in East tends to revolve around Ilford, Stratford, Canning Town and Barking. With Romford then on its own behaving like its own city. I think the awful road system is partly to blame as you say. The A13 at least is almost like its the beating heart of this part of London, and as soon as the slightest thing on its goes wrong on that road the entire area grinds to a standstill that writes off the entire day. I will never forget when there was a crash outside my place when a lorry ran into the centre carriage of the A13, it resulted in the 62 and 173 both being half suspended and traffic backed right up into Central London and resulted in the 47 and 133 being cut too. It's certainly the worst I'd ever seen it, I don't think any road even had the power to do something like that. Then I remember in January/February time when a lorry released its insides just before King Edward's Road and once again partially suspended the 62 and the 173 put on a diversion through Barking Town Centre. Didn't take traffic long at all to back up. I was at Canning Town during the worst of it around 6pm, I ended up taking the tube home and walking, EH141 left Canning Town the same time as me but it only reached East Ham at around 8:30. Coupled with the fact Barking was a standstill and the bus still had to cross the A406 at the time that bus must have whacked up over 3 hours worth of delays. Going back to buses after that mini rant I honestly think that more routes should really be heading from inner East London towards the outer boroughs. I think even small changes such as the 425 running via Hackney Central could be beneficial, alongside a Canary Wharf to Canning Town link.
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Post by Paul on Jun 24, 2021 10:50:23 GMT
No stand space anywhere at Bromley to split Route 314 in two. Eltham to Bromley South Simpsons Road New Addington to Plaistow Green Gives a little overlap for those going cross Bromley but it doesn’t deal with the real problem for the 314’s reliability which is the Mad Mile at one end and Fiveways at the other
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Post by vjaska on Jun 24, 2021 11:43:31 GMT
But surely the 466 to Croydon is better option than the 353? Same route between Addington and Croydon, the 353 is less frequent but the current 466 is excessive. I agree that the current 466 is excessive and should of been left at its previous frequency but it provides handy connections and shouldn’t be messed with
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 24, 2021 15:41:51 GMT
72/283 - Merged to operate between East Acton and Hammersmith Bridge via a simplified version of the 283's routeing. From Wood Lane, via South Africa Road, Bloemfontein Road and Uxbridge Road to Shepherds Bush Green. Operating at around every 7.5 minutes using the 10.9m SDs. This offers a consistent route in both directions compared to the current 283, and gives a simpler service on this corridor along with the revised 272 below.
272 - Extended from Shepherds Bush to Hammersmith (Lower Bus Station), and frequency increase to every 10-12 minutes. Maintaining capacity along the East Acton to Hammersmith corridor.
228 - Rerouted via Wormholt Road to replace this section of the 283, but introducing a service in both directions. Could use Sawley Road instead of Bryony Road to allow a two-way service. Option to also add a loop to serve the area around Australia Road. Possible frequency increase to every 15 minutes.
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Post by rugbyref on Jun 24, 2021 16:48:02 GMT
Is the 353 really needed. Who wants to travel from New Addington to Orpington? Not many. Agreed, double run the 433 along Courtwood Lane will boost usage along that section, in the same way the 353 killed it off. To me I would curtail the 353 at Hayes Station. I think you're right, there's not much need for the 353 in its current form and even the reduced x 20 minutes headway is generous, shame as I remember it being quite well used when it went to Croydon. Either return it to Croydon instead of the 466 or cut it back to Hayes as you suggested. I use the 353 from Orpington to Sparrows Den, Croydon rfc and Addington interchange. It is the best way of getting from Orpington to Croydon, so by all means cut the Forestdale section, or continue to Croydon, but do not cut to Hayes.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 24, 2021 16:58:35 GMT
I think you're right, there's not much need for the 353 in its current form and even the reduced x 20 minutes headway is generous, shame as I remember it being quite well used when it went to Croydon. Either return it to Croydon instead of the 466 or cut it back to Hayes as you suggested. I use the 353 from Orpington to Sparrows Den, Croydon rfc and Addington interchange. It is the best way of getting from Orpington to Croydon, so by all means cut the Forestdale section, or continue to Croydon, but do not cut to Hayes. Going back to 2000 when Tramlink opened I think the 353 should have been rerouted via Shirley Park to Croydon and the 466 could have been left as it was terminating at Shirley Inn.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 24, 2021 17:00:33 GMT
SILENCED Did the T31 have the same problems as the 353 in the Forestdale Estate area (where passengers weren't wanting the destinations the route heads to?) I do like the idea of looping the 433 round Courtwood Lane area as the 353 always seems very empty down there and could maybe be cut back to A Village but thats from an armchair perspective
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 24, 2021 17:20:18 GMT
No stand space anywhere at Bromley to split Route 314 in two. Eltham to Bromley South Simpsons Road New Addington to Plaistow Green Gives a little overlap for those going cross Bromley but it doesn’t deal with the real problem for the 314’s reliability which is the Mad Mile at one end and Fiveways at the other I can’t stand Fiveways too much traffic and too many tossers that deliberately use the incorrect lane to push in. Should have a traffic enforcement camera there and issue fines to those who do that.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 24, 2021 17:27:25 GMT
I know it would break links but think the D8 would find it much easier to turn if it used Cotton Street instead.
I do agree about east London being link a mini island cut off the A13 don't help matters especially in the Canning Town and Plaistow areas as when any problems occur we are left with pretty much no buses. Perhaps a whole Newham review should have taken place instead of just the South Newham / Elizabeth Line changes! We last had a proper review in 1993.
It's like the entire bus network in East tends to revolve around Ilford, Stratford, Canning Town and Barking. With Romford then on its own behaving like its own city. I think the awful road system is partly to blame as you say. The A13 at least is almost like its the beating heart of this part of London, and as soon as the slightest thing on its goes wrong on that road the entire area grinds to a standstill that writes off the entire day. I will never forget when there was a crash outside my place when a lorry ran into the centre carriage of the A13, it resulted in the 62 and 173 both being half suspended and traffic backed right up into Central London and resulted in the 47 and 133 being cut too. It's certainly the worst I'd ever seen it, I don't think any road even had the power to do something like that. Then I remember in January/February time when a lorry released its insides just before King Edward's Road and once again partially suspended the 62 and the 173 put on a diversion through Barking Town Centre. Didn't take traffic long at all to back up. I was at Canning Town during the worst of it around 6pm, I ended up taking the tube home and walking, EH141 left Canning Town the same time as me but it only reached East Ham at around 8:30. Coupled with the fact Barking was a standstill and the bus still had to cross the A406 at the time that bus must have whacked up over 3 hours worth of delays. Going back to buses after that mini rant I honestly think that more routes should really be heading from inner East London towards the outer boroughs. I think even small changes such as the 425 running via Hackney Central could be beneficial, alongside a Canary Wharf to Canning Town link. Was that the time where the lorry had those coca cola cans in it?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 24, 2021 18:03:39 GMT
It's like the entire bus network in East tends to revolve around Ilford, Stratford, Canning Town and Barking. With Romford then on its own behaving like its own city. I think the awful road system is partly to blame as you say. The A13 at least is almost like its the beating heart of this part of London, and as soon as the slightest thing on its goes wrong on that road the entire area grinds to a standstill that writes off the entire day. I will never forget when there was a crash outside my place when a lorry ran into the centre carriage of the A13, it resulted in the 62 and 173 both being half suspended and traffic backed right up into Central London and resulted in the 47 and 133 being cut too. It's certainly the worst I'd ever seen it, I don't think any road even had the power to do something like that. Then I remember in January/February time when a lorry released its insides just before King Edward's Road and once again partially suspended the 62 and the 173 put on a diversion through Barking Town Centre. Didn't take traffic long at all to back up. I was at Canning Town during the worst of it around 6pm, I ended up taking the tube home and walking, EH141 left Canning Town the same time as me but it only reached East Ham at around 8:30. Coupled with the fact Barking was a standstill and the bus still had to cross the A406 at the time that bus must have whacked up over 3 hours worth of delays. Going back to buses after that mini rant I honestly think that more routes should really be heading from inner East London towards the outer boroughs. I think even small changes such as the 425 running via Hackney Central could be beneficial, alongside a Canary Wharf to Canning Town link. Was that the time where the lorry had those coca cola cans in it? It wasn't that time, the CocaCola incident happened on the other side of the road, London bound as opposed to Essex bound. I can't find a story on it online at the moment but I will update this post if I can.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 24, 2021 18:51:19 GMT
SILENCED Did the T31 have the same problems as the 353 in the Forestdale Estate area (where passengers weren't wanting the destinations the route heads to?) I do like the idea of looping the 433 round Courtwood Lane area as the 353 always seems very empty down there and could maybe be cut back to A Village but thats from an armchair perspective The T31 might have been a useful link from Forestdale to the shops at New Addington
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 25, 2021 7:05:01 GMT
SILENCED Did the T31 have the same problems as the 353 in the Forestdale Estate area (where passengers weren't wanting the destinations the route heads to?) I do like the idea of looping the 433 round Courtwood Lane area as the 353 always seems very empty down there and could maybe be cut back to A Village but thats from an armchair perspective The T31 might have been a useful link from Forestdale to the shops at New Addington Possibly. Not gonna lie I am surprised that TFL didn't loop the 433 round Courtwood Lane despite the fact they designed the 359 like that
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Post by greenboy on Jun 25, 2021 7:29:47 GMT
SILENCED Did the T31 have the same problems as the 353 in the Forestdale Estate area (where passengers weren't wanting the destinations the route heads to?) I do like the idea of looping the 433 round Courtwood Lane area as the 353 always seems very empty down there and could maybe be cut back to A Village but thats from an armchair perspective The T31 might have been a useful link from Forestdale to the shops at New Addington I doubt it, I think most people would use the shops in Selsdon or Croydon. There's not much in New Addington to attract people from outside of the area, the once popular market has been in decline for years. The T31 was the same as the 353 is now, doesn't take people where they want to go.
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Post by aaron1 on Jun 25, 2021 9:14:59 GMT
In responses to the 324 Consultations and the Brent Cross West rumoured 16, 143, 326 to there
Here how it goes
Bus changes in Brent and Barnet
16 extend to Wembley Park via 245 also via Gladstone Park linking Wembley to Central London
316 extend to Brent Park Tesco via 332 also passing Gladstone Park This bring back when it was withdrawn from Brent Park
332 extend to north to Kingsbury via Fryent Country Park
186 extend to Brent Cross West via 189
Gladstone Park and Crest Road will have 3 buses each
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 10:31:11 GMT
In responses to the 324 Consultations and the Brent Cross West rumoured 16, 143, 326 to there Here how it goes Bus changes in Brent and Barnet 16 extend to Wembley Park via 245 also via Gladstone Park linking Wembley to Central London 316 extend to Brent Park Tesco via 332 also passing Gladstone Park This bring back when it was withdrawn from Brent Park 332 extend to north to Kingsbury via Fryent Country Park 186 extend to Brent Cross West via 189 Gladstone Park and Crest Road will have 3 buses each Where will the 186 terminate?
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