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Post by vjaska on Oct 31, 2021 3:53:56 GMT
19 - extended to Clapham Junction via 319. N19 - Extended to BN garage. This gives a nightly service from Sloane Square to BN instead of only weekends. 319 - No longer 24 hr on weekends. 137 - Diverted via current 23 at Knightsbridge to Hammersmith. This gives a very unique link from Hammersmith to South London (further than Clapham Junction). 23 - restored to old routing to Aldwych, with an extension via Waterloo Bridge to terminate at Elephant and Castle. 345 - Extended via 414 then Edgware Road to Brent X Shopping Centre, however curtailed to Clapham Junction. Southern section replaced by 445 - new route I’ve seen proposed a lot, Clapham Junction to Lewisham via old 345 and 436 with a short diversion via underserved Nunhead. Extending the 19 further would simply mess around with it's reliability - in an ideal world, it would continue to Clapham Junction but sadly we're not in that sort of world. A daily 24 hour 319 would more than suffice over the southern section with the N19 remaining as it is Diverting the 137 at Knightsbridge breaks well established links from south of the river - on top of that, I don't think anyone from the Battersea Park or Clapham areas would use a link to Hammersmith and certainly no one south of their would given the options already available to them much locally Your 345 proposal is far too lengthy - there is no way you could run a Clapham Junction to Brent Cross route nowadays. I wouldn't divert the 445 via Nunhead simply because it should be kept as direct as possible. Nunhead should have a more localised link to Lewisham although it does already have a direct train service being the next stop along. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 31, 2021 9:21:03 GMT
19 - extended to Clapham Junction via 319. N19 - Extended to BN garage. This gives a nightly service from Sloane Square to BN instead of only weekends. 319 - No longer 24 hr on weekends. 137 - Diverted via current 23 at Knightsbridge to Hammersmith. This gives a very unique link from Hammersmith to South London (further than Clapham Junction). 23 - restored to old routing to Aldwych, with an extension via Waterloo Bridge to terminate at Elephant and Castle. 345 - Extended via 414 then Edgware Road to Brent X Shopping Centre, however curtailed to Clapham Junction. Southern section replaced by 445 - new route I’ve seen proposed a lot, Clapham Junction to Lewisham via old 345 and 436 with a short diversion via underserved Nunhead. I can't see the 19 returning to Clapham Junction in the current climate, in fact it's more likely to be withdrawn from Battersea as was proposed previously. I do agree about extending the N19 to BN 7 nights a week though. I can't agree with rerouting the 137 to Hammersmith, the 452 already provides similar links and isn't particularly well used. I can't see the other ideas being viable in the present circumstances although the 436 could possibly be extended Clapham Junction if it replaced the 156? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 18:27:27 GMT
19 - extended to Clapham Junction via 319. N19 - Extended to BN garage. This gives a nightly service from Sloane Square to BN instead of only weekends. 319 - No longer 24 hr on weekends. 137 - Diverted via current 23 at Knightsbridge to Hammersmith. This gives a very unique link from Hammersmith to South London (further than Clapham Junction). 23 - restored to old routing to Aldwych, with an extension via Waterloo Bridge to terminate at Elephant and Castle. 345 - Extended via 414 then Edgware Road to Brent X Shopping Centre, however curtailed to Clapham Junction. Southern section replaced by 445 - new route I’ve seen proposed a lot, Clapham Junction to Lewisham via old 345 and 436 with a short diversion via underserved Nunhead. Your 19 could work if it was cut back at the Northern end. I'd suggest cutting it back to Holborn and rerouting to King's Cross via route 91. A new route would operate on the 19 LOR from Piccadilly Circus to Finsbury Park Your 137 proposal breaks links between Marble Arch/ Hyde Park Corner and Clapham/Streatham Hill. Streatham Hill has already suffered enough cuts with the 137 and 159 being withdrawn from Oxford Street, l don't think it should be fiddled with. plus I don't see why people from Hammersmith would go to Clapham/Streatham. You're introducing a lot of routes terminating at Clapham Junction - I don't think there is stand space. If a Clapham Junction to Lewisham link is really needed, then I think it is easier to extend the 436 westwards, but then I doubt there's stand space. |
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Post by abellion on Oct 31, 2021 18:51:17 GMT
19 - extended to Clapham Junction via 319. N19 - Extended to BN garage. This gives a nightly service from Sloane Square to BN instead of only weekends. 319 - No longer 24 hr on weekends. 137 - Diverted via current 23 at Knightsbridge to Hammersmith. This gives a very unique link from Hammersmith to South London (further than Clapham Junction). 23 - restored to old routing to Aldwych, with an extension via Waterloo Bridge to terminate at Elephant and Castle. 345 - Extended via 414 then Edgware Road to Brent X Shopping Centre, however curtailed to Clapham Junction. Southern section replaced by 445 - new route I’ve seen proposed a lot, Clapham Junction to Lewisham via old 345 and 436 with a short diversion via underserved Nunhead. New links ≠ demand Clapham Jct - Brent Cross is far too long, and I can't see why anybody north of Edgware Road would want to go anywhere beyond Knightsbridge (maybe South Kensington), nor how anybody in the southern end would want to go any further than Edgware Road. Same with the 137, if people in South London want to go to Hammersmith then they'd have to change, doesn't seem like there is the demand for a bus from Streatham to Hammersmith. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 21:18:48 GMT
Few minor adjustments in the Brent Cross area: Route 324: Withdrawn between Brent Cross Tesco & Claremont Road. Diverted to Brent Cross Station. Towards Brent Cross Station, it would follow Route 210 to Highfield Avenue, then via Woodville Gardens, Woodville Road, St Mary's Road & Highfield Avenue. Stand created on Highfield Avenue. Towards Elstree, Centennial Park it would head directly via the 210 towards Brent Cross Shopping Centre, and rejoining its current LOR from there. The 210 stop at Brent Cross Station (especially towards the Shopping Centre) tends to get quite busy, so perhaps adding an extra 3bph SD down there could perhaps help even loadings out whilst reducing stand space needed at Brent Cross Shopping Centre indirectly. Route 326: Extended to Tesco Brent Cross. I believe this could be an effective change because I've felt the Tesco could do with a slightly higher frequency than it currently receives, though Toys R Us closing likely decreased demand a fair amount I think it be slightly better to introduce a 4bph-5bph up there rather an every 20 minute 324. This would reduce stand congestion at Brent Cross as I've mentioned and would retain the Tesco link as far as Hendon Central. Thoughts? Nope. Highfield Avenue is too tight for buses to run there plus the 326 is fine. I do agree with the higher frequency for Brent Cross Tesco but leave the 324 as it is with another new route 239 (between Cockfosters - Brent Cross Tesco) with 4 bph. Extend the bus stand at the Tesco as well. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 31, 2021 22:38:33 GMT
Few minor adjustments in the Brent Cross area: Route 324: Withdrawn between Brent Cross Tesco & Claremont Road. Diverted to Brent Cross Station. Towards Brent Cross Station, it would follow Route 210 to Highfield Avenue, then via Woodville Gardens, Woodville Road, St Mary's Road & Highfield Avenue. Stand created on Highfield Avenue. Towards Elstree, Centennial Park it would head directly via the 210 towards Brent Cross Shopping Centre, and rejoining its current LOR from there. The 210 stop at Brent Cross Station (especially towards the Shopping Centre) tends to get quite busy, so perhaps adding an extra 3bph SD down there could perhaps help even loadings out whilst reducing stand space needed at Brent Cross Shopping Centre indirectly. Route 326: Extended to Tesco Brent Cross. I believe this could be an effective change because I've felt the Tesco could do with a slightly higher frequency than it currently receives, though Toys R Us closing likely decreased demand a fair amount I think it be slightly better to introduce a 4bph-5bph up there rather an every 20 minute 324. This would reduce stand congestion at Brent Cross as I've mentioned and would retain the Tesco link as far as Hendon Central. Thoughts? Nope. Highfield Avenue is too tight for buses to run there plus the 326 is fine. I do agree with the higher frequency for Brent Cross Tesco but leave the 324 as it is with another new route 239 (between Cockfosters - Brent Cross Tesco) with 4 bph. Extend the bus stand at the Tesco as well. Highfield Avenue is fine for standing providing the 324 goes one way. The 326 is fine but it runs at a lower frequency than the 143 so would therefore be cheaper to extend. Also, Highfield Avenue being too tight? Does the 210 suddenly not exist  |
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Post by someone on Nov 1, 2021 12:28:18 GMT
Route 244 (around QE Hosp): rerouted via Charlton Park Lane in order to end in the 291/469 stand Route 244 (around Plumstead Common/Woolwich Common): rerouted via Burrage Road
Route 380: extended to Thamesmead via 244 Route 386: rerouted via current 244 routing along Nightingale Place
Route 486: rerouted via Cemetery Lane and Charlton Park Lane |
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Post by bus12451 on Nov 1, 2021 13:25:53 GMT
Route 244 (around QE Hosp): rerouted via Charlton Park Lane in order to end in the 291/469 stand Route 244 (around Plumstead Common/Woolwich Common): rerouted via Burrage Road
Route 380: extended to Thamesmead via 244 Route 386: rerouted via current 244 routing along Nightingale Place
Route 486: rerouted via Cemetery Lane and Charlton Park Lane What exactly is all of this trying to achieve? It just seems like drawing lines on a map for the fun of it. The 244, 291 and 469 already terminate at the same place, its just that the 291 and 469 come from the north while the 244 comes from the south. |
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Post by someone on Nov 1, 2021 15:07:40 GMT
Route 244 (around QE Hosp): rerouted via Charlton Park Lane in order to end in the 291/469 stand Route 244 (around Plumstead Common/Woolwich Common): rerouted via Burrage Road
Route 380: extended to Thamesmead via 244 Route 386: rerouted via current 244 routing along Nightingale Place
Route 486: rerouted via Cemetery Lane and Charlton Park Lane What exactly is all of this trying to achieve? It just seems like drawing lines on a map for the fun of it. The 244, 291 and 469 already terminate at the same place, its just that the 291 and 469 come from the north while the 244 comes from the south. The 244's alighting point is stop H3, not the stand. |
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Post by bus12451 on Nov 1, 2021 15:31:07 GMT
What exactly is all of this trying to achieve? It just seems like drawing lines on a map for the fun of it. The 244, 291 and 469 already terminate at the same place, its just that the 291 and 469 come from the north while the 244 comes from the south. The 244's alighting point is stop H3, not the stand. It should have been obvious what I meant when I said that they terminate at the same place - QE Hospital/West Entrance. You're proposing to reroute the 244 so that it comes to QEH from the north rather than the South, but what is the point in doing that? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2021 15:32:04 GMT
What exactly is all of this trying to achieve? It just seems like drawing lines on a map for the fun of it. The 244, 291 and 469 already terminate at the same place, its just that the 291 and 469 come from the north while the 244 comes from the south. The 244's alighting point is stop H3, not the stand. Which is almost opposite each other - if anything, the 244’s alighting point is better as it’s on the same side as the hospital which I suspect is where 99% of people would head to after alighting. |
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Post by busman on Nov 1, 2021 16:46:32 GMT
Route 244 (around QE Hosp): rerouted via Charlton Park Lane in order to end in the 291/469 stand Route 244 (around Plumstead Common/Woolwich Common): rerouted via Burrage Road
Route 380: extended to Thamesmead via 244 Route 386: rerouted via current 244 routing along Nightingale Place
Route 486: rerouted via Cemetery Lane and Charlton Park Lane I don’t understand why these changes would be made. 244: Width restriction on Charlton Park Road would make it impossible for buses to run the length of the road into QE. 380: Why extend to Thamesmead Town Centre? 386: Loss of bus service in Shooters Hill. No more direct services beyond QE. No buses at all for some residents along Herbert Road. 486: Again, why? Removing direct local links to QE without replacement. As a local, I can’t see any benefits to those ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 21:19:35 GMT
Nope. Highfield Avenue is too tight for buses to run there plus the 326 is fine. I do agree with the higher frequency for Brent Cross Tesco but leave the 324 as it is with another new route 239 (between Cockfosters - Brent Cross Tesco) with 4 bph. Extend the bus stand at the Tesco as well. Highfield Avenue is fine for standing providing the 324 goes one way. The 326 is fine but it runs at a lower frequency than the 143 so would therefore be cheaper to extend. Also, Highfield Avenue being too tight? Does the 210 suddenly not exist The Highfield Avenue I was on about was the little housing estate. I thought that's what you meant. Also if the 210 is full then passengers can get the 112 or 232 on the A406. So there's no need for the 324 rerouting. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 1, 2021 21:25:43 GMT
Highfield Avenue is fine for standing providing the 324 goes one way. The 326 is fine but it runs at a lower frequency than the 143 so would therefore be cheaper to extend. Also, Highfield Avenue being too tight? Does the 210 suddenly not exist The Highfield Avenue I was on about was the little housing estate. I thought that's what you meant. Also if the 210 is full then passengers can get the 112 or 232 on the A406. So there's no need for the 324 rerouting. And that's not to say the 112/232 don't get heavily loaded either. I think it's in good reason why passengers use the 210 rather than the 112/232 and that's because standing outside the station is far more appealing than walking down a side road and catching the 112/232 especially on the A406.
Again, we can all have our opinions (yours tend to be much more negative) but I personally think it could be quite well used and from my observations especially during leisure hours I think there's quite the demand for a 3bph SD route to perhaps help even out demand.
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Post by danorak on Nov 1, 2021 21:36:45 GMT
Route 244 (around QE Hosp): rerouted via Charlton Park Lane in order to end in the 291/469 stand Route 244 (around Plumstead Common/Woolwich Common): rerouted via Burrage Road
Route 380: extended to Thamesmead via 244 Route 386: rerouted via current 244 routing along Nightingale Place
Route 486: rerouted via Cemetery Lane and Charlton Park Lane I don’t understand why these changes would be made. 244: Width restriction on Charlton Park Road would make it impossible for buses to run the length of the road into QE. 380: Why extend to Thamesmead Town Centre? 386: Loss of bus service in Shooters Hill. No more direct services beyond QE. No buses at all for some residents along Herbert Road. 486: Again, why? Removing direct local links to QE without replacement. As a local, I can’t see any benefits to those ideas. A mixed bag I'd say! I felt it was a shame that the width restriction and speed humps were simply put back in Charlton Park Lane after they'd been removed for the 2012 Olympics. I used to have relatives around there who would really have benefited from a bus service. Equally I can see the appeal of speeding up the 486 by using the Olympic routeing. There are no stops on Repository Road so you could reroute the 291 along Hillreach and Cemetery Lane in replacement. A bigger problem might be the loss of a direct link from that section to the shops on Bugsbys Way. |
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