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Post by greenboy on Nov 4, 2021 22:44:13 GMT
With the Fri/Sat LO service being reinstated between Highbury & Islington and New Cross Gate....... N172 4bph Fri/Sat night, New Cross Gate via 172 to Brockley Rise then via 122 to Sydenham. Then 2bph via 122 to Crystal Palace and 2bph via 197 to Anerley then via 75/157 to West Croydon. Surely just introduce an N172 from New Cross to Crystal Palace and then an N197 from New Cross to Croydon to prevent needless confusion with branches on a bus route. Yes could possibly do that although I don't really see why the N172 covering both branches as the trains do should cause confusion. It could be argued that that the 197 number would cause more confusion. Then again as it would basically be a LO rail replacement service perhaps they should be numbered LO1 and LO2? I think the important thing is to provide the service, what it should be numbered is of lesser importance. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 4, 2021 22:48:10 GMT
With the Fri/Sat LO service being reinstated between Highbury & Islington and New Cross Gate....... N172 4bph Fri/Sat night, New Cross Gate via 172 to Brockley Rise then via 122 to Sydenham. Then 2bph via 122 to Crystal Palace and 2bph via 197 to Anerley then via 75/157 to West Croydon. Surely just introduce an N172 from New Cross to Crystal Palace and then an N197 from New Cross to Croydon to prevent needless confusion with branches on a bus route. I don't get the obsession with introducing these type of working they belong in the past. London passengers can barely read blinds as it is! Funny the member who keeps suggesting these type of routes is the one who goes on about branding etc which wouldn't work with short / different routes depending on the tin of day. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 9:12:49 GMT
Route 79 extended to White City via Ealing Road, Western Avenue, Old Oak Lane, Uxbridge Road and Ariel Way. PVR changed to 18 and transfer the route to Park Royal (RP) as the extension would probably benefit Park Royal (RP) more than Edgware (BT). Driver changeover point at Park Royal Station.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 9:32:26 GMT
Route 79 extended to White City via Ealing Road, Western Avenue, Old Oak Lane, Uxbridge Road and Ariel Way. PVR changed to 18 and transfer the route to Park Royal (RP) as the extension would probably benefit Park Royal (RP) more than Edgware (BT). Driver changeover point at Park Royal Station. Too long imo and duplicates the 260 quite a lot. Also I think the reliability would suffer due to the A40 traffic. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 10:09:30 GMT
Route 79 extended to White City via Ealing Road, Western Avenue, Old Oak Lane, Uxbridge Road and Ariel Way. PVR changed to 18 and transfer the route to Park Royal (RP) as the extension would probably benefit Park Royal (RP) more than Edgware (BT). Driver changeover point at Park Royal Station. Too long imo and duplicates the 260 quite a lot. Also I think the reliability would suffer due to the A40 traffic. The 79/260 would be the same duration. It wouldn't make a difference to the 260. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 5, 2021 19:18:46 GMT
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. To maintain links lost by route 440.
X18; new route running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley and 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182.
110 withdrawn between Richmond and Hounslow.
419 extended from Richmond to Hounslow via route 110 to Hounslow. To maintain links lost by the 110.
218: withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Extended from North Acton to Central Middlesex Hospital via route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital.
223: extended from Wembley to Westway Cross via route H17 to Whitton Avenue East, Greenford Road, 92 to Greenford and 395 to Westway. To link Whitton Avenue East with Greenford Station and Westway and to maintain links lost by route H17.
228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via route 207 to Acton Vale.
283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital, 226 to Hanger Lane and 112 ti Ealing Broadway. To maintain links lost by route 228 and assist the 226.
306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 218 to Acton and 266 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by the 218.
392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via route 483 to Ealing Hospital, 92 to Sudbury Hill, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and 483 to Harrow. To provide a more direct routing between Harrow and Ealing.
440: discontinued
452 withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove and Kensal Rise. Diverted to Brent Park Tesco’s via Harrow Road, 18 to Harlesden and 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s. To link Harlesden with Ladbroke Grove.
H17: extended from Wembley Central to Acton High Street via route 83 to Wembley Central, 18 to Stonebridge Park and 440 to Acton. Rerouted between Wembley and Whitton Avenue East via Bridgewater Road and Ealing Road. Extended from Northwick Park Hospital via 183 to Northwick Park Hospital and H9 to Northwick Park. Converted to double deck. Linking Sudbury Hill with Northwick Park Hospital, linking Bridgewater Road with Ealing Road, Alperton with Central Middlesex Hospital and maintaining links lost by the 440.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 20:18:09 GMT
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. To maintain links lost by route 440. X18; new route running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley and 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182. 110 withdrawn between Richmond and Hounslow. 419 extended from Richmond to Hounslow via route 110 to Hounslow. To maintain links lost by the 110. 218: withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Extended from North Acton to Central Middlesex Hospital via route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital. 223: extended from Wembley to Westway Cross via route H17 to Whitton Avenue East, Greenford Road, 92 to Greenford and 395 to Westway. To link Whitton Avenue East with Greenford Station and Westway and to maintain links lost by route H17. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via route 207 to Acton Vale. 283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital, 226 to Hanger Lane and 112 ti Ealing Broadway. To maintain links lost by route 228 and assist the 226. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 218 to Acton and 266 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by the 218. 392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via route 483 to Ealing Hospital, 92 to Sudbury Hill, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and 483 to Harrow. To provide a more direct routing between Harrow and Ealing. 440: discontinued 452 withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove and Kensal Rise. Diverted to Brent Park Tesco’s via Harrow Road, 18 to Harlesden and 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s. To link Harlesden with Ladbroke Grove. H17: extended from Wembley Central to Acton High Street via route 83 to Wembley Central, 18 to Stonebridge Park and 440 to Acton. Rerouted between Wembley and Whitton Avenue East via Bridgewater Road and Ealing Road. Extended from Northwick Park Hospital via 183 to Northwick Park Hospital and H9 to Northwick Park. Converted to double deck. Linking Sudbury Hill with Northwick Park Hospital, linking Bridgewater Road with Ealing Road, Alperton with Central Middlesex Hospital and maintaining links lost by the 440. The 452 you propose will become way too long. Harlesden - Ladbroke Grove can be achieved via a hopper fare. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 5, 2021 20:19:05 GMT
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. To maintain links lost by route 440. X18; new route running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley and 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182. 110 withdrawn between Richmond and Hounslow. 419 extended from Richmond to Hounslow via route 110 to Hounslow. To maintain links lost by the 110. 218: withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Extended from North Acton to Central Middlesex Hospital via route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital. 223: extended from Wembley to Westway Cross via route H17 to Whitton Avenue East, Greenford Road, 92 to Greenford and 395 to Westway. To link Whitton Avenue East with Greenford Station and Westway and to maintain links lost by route H17. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via route 207 to Acton Vale. 283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital, 226 to Hanger Lane and 112 ti Ealing Broadway. To maintain links lost by route 228 and assist the 226. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 218 to Acton and 266 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by the 218. 392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via route 483 to Ealing Hospital, 92 to Sudbury Hill, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and 483 to Harrow. To provide a more direct routing between Harrow and Ealing. 440: discontinued 452 withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove and Kensal Rise. Diverted to Brent Park Tesco’s via Harrow Road, 18 to Harlesden and 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s. To link Harlesden with Ladbroke Grove. H17: extended from Wembley Central to Acton High Street via route 83 to Wembley Central, 18 to Stonebridge Park and 440 to Acton. Rerouted between Wembley and Whitton Avenue East via Bridgewater Road and Ealing Road. Extended from Northwick Park Hospital via 183 to Northwick Park Hospital and H9 to Northwick Park. Converted to double deck. Linking Sudbury Hill with Northwick Park Hospital, linking Bridgewater Road with Ealing Road, Alperton with Central Middlesex Hospital and maintaining links lost by the 440. The 452 you propose will become way too long. Harlesden - Ladbroke Grove can be achieved via a hopper fare. Yes and no. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 5, 2021 22:39:38 GMT
Could the 329 be extended to Stoke Newington via current Route 67 currently running every 8 minutes (I know there would be a slight frequency imbalance but I don't think it's worth reducing the Palmers Green to Enfield section to every 10 minutes because that would be too low frequency) with perhaps the other routes along the corridor between Dalston to Stoke Newington left alone and the 67 withdrawn. I know there could be advantages including St Ann's Hospital linked further into North London, however the disadvantage would be loss of link between the St Ann's area & Dalston. The advantages could be cost saving and also stand space opened up at the Dalston end for an extension to either the 263 or D6.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 23:25:30 GMT
Route 379 restructured to run between Yardley Lane and South Woodford via Sewardstone Road, Hawkwood Cresent, Drysdale Avenue, Kings Head Hill, Station Road, Beresford Road, Kimberley Road, Whitehall Road, Woodfood Green, Innmans Row, Monkham's Lane, Monkham's Drive, Monkham's Avenue, The Broadway, Charteris Road, Broadmead Road, St Barnabas Road, Latchett Road, Maybank Road, Southend Road, Charlie Browns Roundabout, Chigwell Road and George Lane. Route via Boardman Avenue, Antlers Hill and Yardley Lane withdrawn. PVR changed to 6. A bunch of new fixed bus stops can be installed as well.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 5, 2021 23:46:03 GMT
Route 379 restructured to run between Yardley Lane and South Woodford via Sewardstone Road, Hawkwood Cresent, Drysdale Avenue, Kings Head Hill, Station Road, Beresford Road, Kimberley Road, Whitehall Road, Woodfood Green, Innmans Row, Monkham's Lane, Monkham's Drive, Monkham's Avenue, The Broadway, Charteris Road, Broadmead Road, St Barnabas Road, Latchett Road, Maybank Road, Southend Road, Charlie Browns Roundabout, Chigwell Road and George Lane. Route via Boardman Avenue, Antlers Hill and Yardley Lane withdrawn. PVR changed to 6. A bunch of new fixed bus stops can be installed as well. As I understand it, the 379's purpose is to bring the people from the residential estates surrounding Chingford including the Yardley Lane Estate into Chingford itself for shopping and for interchange to other buses and the station so what happens to all these people then? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 23:49:40 GMT
Route 379 restructured to run between Yardley Lane and South Woodford via Sewardstone Road, Hawkwood Cresent, Drysdale Avenue, Kings Head Hill, Station Road, Beresford Road, Kimberley Road, Whitehall Road, Woodfood Green, Innmans Row, Monkham's Lane, Monkham's Drive, Monkham's Avenue, The Broadway, Charteris Road, Broadmead Road, St Barnabas Road, Latchett Road, Maybank Road, Southend Road, Charlie Browns Roundabout, Chigwell Road and George Lane. Route via Boardman Avenue, Antlers Hill and Yardley Lane withdrawn. PVR changed to 6. A bunch of new fixed bus stops can be installed as well. As I understand it, the 379's purpose is to bring the people from the residential estates surrounding Chingford including the Yardley Lane Estate into Chingford itself for shopping and for interchange to other buses and the station so what happens to all these people then? It will still go to Chingford but the bit where it goes up the hill is too tight and I have seen some complaints from residents as well. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 6, 2021 2:43:28 GMT
As I understand it, the 379's purpose is to bring the people from the residential estates surrounding Chingford including the Yardley Lane Estate into Chingford itself for shopping and for interchange to other buses and the station so what happens to all these people then? It will still go to Chingford but the bit where it goes up the hill is too tight and I have seen some complaints from residents as well. The complaints were from a man who tried to claim buses were damaging his house 3 years ago - if they were legit, the route would of changed by now. Yes the roads are narrow but not too tight that buses shouldn't run along there. Furthermore, Waltham Forest should actually discover tarmac and resurface the roads around there as they are dreadful. Whether the rest of the route goes to Chingford is irrelevant - as I understand it, the purpose of the route is to link the estate to Chingford for shopping amenities, interchange with other buses and the Overground. Furthermore, you haven't any given any description for your route idea asides from where it runs and a PVR of 6. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 7:11:52 GMT
It will still go to Chingford but the bit where it goes up the hill is too tight and I have seen some complaints from residents as well. The complaints were from a man who tried to claim buses were damaging his house 3 years ago - if they were legit, the route would of changed by now. Yes the roads are narrow but not too tight that buses shouldn't run along there. Furthermore, Waltham Forest should actually discover tarmac and resurface the roads around there as they are dreadful. Whether the rest of the route goes to Chingford is irrelevant - as I understand it, the purpose of the route is to link the estate to Chingford for shopping amenities, interchange with other buses and the Overground. Furthermore, you haven't any given any description for your route idea asides from where it runs and a PVR of 6. The route would benefit local residents at Beresford Road & Kimberley Road as well as the ones at Woodford Wells to connect to Woodford Station and there's a few shops there as well where no buses are served. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 6, 2021 8:15:53 GMT
Could the 329 be extended to Stoke Newington via current Route 67 currently running every 8 minutes (I know there would be a slight frequency imbalance but I don't think it's worth reducing the Palmers Green to Enfield section to every 10 minutes because that would be too low frequency) with perhaps the other routes along the corridor between Dalston to Stoke Newington left alone and the 67 withdrawn. I know there could be advantages including St Ann's Hospital linked further into North London, however the disadvantage would be loss of link between the St Ann's area & Dalston. The advantages could be cost saving and also stand space opened up at the Dalston end for an extension to either the 263 or D6. Thoughts? Yes these are the sort of savings TfL should be looking at, also reduces overbussing along the High Road. |
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