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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 7, 2021 21:57:50 GMT
I think the 414 has other purposes it could fulfill, perhaps it be adapted on the southern end and cutback to South Kensington? I'd agree it would be worthless running it north of Knightsbridge because of changes to the 6/23.
I rather liked the idea of a 414 between South Kensington and Tooting, The Mitre running every 12 minutes with a 270 running alongside between Wandsworth (could in future reach Riverside Quarter) and Thornton Heath Clock Tower (helping the 152 out and establishing a Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath link).
Could possibly run the 414 from Putney Bridge to Russell Square and curtail the 14 at Piccadilly Circus and extend it to Roehampton, withdraw the 430 and extend the 190 to South Kensington and increase the 74 frequency. I think extending the 152 to Thornton Heath High Street would be potentially useful. The 152 would be too long and would hit even more traffic hotspots. As it is it hits a huge number along its entire route. Besides it already entirely possible to do Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath on the 60. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 7, 2021 22:04:42 GMT
Could possibly run the 414 from Putney Bridge to Russell Square and curtail the 14 at Piccadilly Circus and extend it to Roehampton, withdraw the 430 and extend the 190 to South Kensington and increase the 74 frequency. I think extending the 152 to Thornton Heath High Street would be potentially useful. The 152 would be too long and would hit even more traffic hotspots. As it is it hits a huge number along its entire route. Probably, the 152 does obviously encounter delays at Eastfield level crossing. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 7, 2021 22:10:53 GMT
The 152 would be too long and would hit even more traffic hotspots. As it is it hits a huge number along its entire route. Probably, the 152 does obviously encounter delays at Eastfield level crossing. And in New Malden, Bushey Road, Wimbledon Chase, South Wimbledon, Colliers Wood and Mitcham but yeah the crossing at Eastfield is the real problem. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2021 22:48:29 GMT
Probably, the 152 does obviously encounter delays at Eastfield level crossing. And in New Malden, Bushey Road, Wimbledon Chase, South Wimbledon, Colliers Wood and Mitcham but yeah the crossing at Eastfield is the real problem. It’s one of two big problems, the other being the equally frustrating crossing at Merton Park. That aside, fully agree it’s got too many hotspots to be extended to Thornton Heath |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 7, 2021 22:54:30 GMT
And in New Malden, Bushey Road, Wimbledon Chase, South Wimbledon, Colliers Wood and Mitcham but yeah the crossing at Eastfield is the real problem. It’s one of two big problems, the other being the equally frustrating crossing at Merton Park. That aside, fully agree it’s got too many hotspots to be extended to Thornton Heath That crossing in Merton Park is exactly why I was majorly opposed to Crossrail 2. It proposed major increases to Tramlink without provisions for that crossing which can already cause major delays in the area. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 7:10:23 GMT
Extend the 205 day service to Leyton, Drapers Field via Warton Road & Stratford City and make the route a 24 hr service again replacing N205.
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 8, 2021 7:19:42 GMT
Extend the 205 day service to Leyton, Drapers Field via Warton Road & Stratford City and make the route a 24 hr service again replacing N205. I don't think the Drapers Field terminus can handle the day 205. |
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Post by ian on Nov 8, 2021 8:53:47 GMT
I take your point about the 113, I wonder how far north passengers tend to travel from into Central London? I've previously considered if it could be split if reliability were an issue, curtailed from the south at Brent Cross shopping centre, maybe with an overlap as far as Finchley Road? The A41 can get quite congested, and EW is far from central London if there are any major gaps in the service. With my idea of the 13 diverting via West Hampstead (had it merged with the 139 rather than the 82) - I'm not sure this would be any more confusing that what happened, with the 13 going to Victoria instead of Aldwych. Most regular passengers on the Finchley Road corridor would have been aware of the 82 & 113 also being available at the time. will probably be better at answering this than myself but I don't think there are reliability issues on the 113. I think this is an unnecessary split of a well established route. I am not aware of any significant reliability issues on 113. There are occasional glitches but nothing systemic. And whilst it is certainly a long route in geographic terms, it is extremely well established running as it has for over 80 years, has significant and substantial commuter flows and many of those are on unique routes that could not be easily replicated. So I would say it is definitely best left well alone. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 8, 2021 8:58:06 GMT
Extend the 205 day service to Leyton, Drapers Field via Warton Road & Stratford City and make the route a 24 hr service again replacing N205. I don't think the Drapers Field terminus can handle the day 205. It should do, it managed when the 97 terminated there. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 8, 2021 9:16:04 GMT
Extend the 205 day service to Leyton, Drapers Field via Warton Road & Stratford City and make the route a 24 hr service again replacing N205. Really can't see that much demand for the 205 from Leyton it would duplicate the 97 to Stratford City then also the 108 towards Bow. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 8, 2021 10:32:50 GMT
ian will probably be better at answering this than myself but I don't think there are reliability issues on the 113. I think this is an unnecessary split of a well established route. I am not aware of any significant reliability issues on 113. There are occasional glitches but nothing systemic. And whilst it is certainly a long route in geographic terms, it is extremely well established running as it has for over 80 years, has significant and substantial commuter flows and many of those are on unique routes that could not be easily replicated. So I would say it is definitely best left well alone. I agree about the 113, it's one of those routes that has stood the test of time and even though commuter levels aren't what they once were it's still got plenty of potential for leisure travel. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 8, 2021 11:10:55 GMT
Could possibly run the 414 from Putney Bridge to Russell Square and curtail the 14 at Piccadilly Circus and extend it to Roehampton, withdraw the 430 and extend the 190 to South Kensington and increase the 74 frequency. I think extending the 152 to Thornton Heath High Street would be potentially useful. The 152 would be too long and would hit even more traffic hotspots. As it is it hits a huge number along its entire route. Besides it already entirely possible to do Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath on the 60. But obviously the 60 doesn't go to Thornton Heath High Street, anyway such an extension is highly unlikely to happen in the current climate. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 8, 2021 11:15:48 GMT
The 152 would be too long and would hit even more traffic hotspots. As it is it hits a huge number along its entire route. Besides it already entirely possible to do Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath on the 60. But obviously the 60 doesn't go to Thornton Heath High Street, anyway such an extension is highly unlikely to happen in the current climate. Just change bus, it’s not hard. It’s unlikely to happen because it’s a ridiculous proposal. Anyone who suggests extending the 152 has obviously never taken it. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 8, 2021 11:29:41 GMT
But obviously the 60 doesn't go to Thornton Heath High Street, anyway such an extension is highly unlikely to happen in the current climate. Just change bus, it’s not hard. It’s unlikely to happen because it’s a ridiculous proposal. Anyone who suggests extending the 152 has obviously never taken it. Hardly ridiculous in fact it's one that's been suggested on here before and there are other options than extending the 152. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 8, 2021 11:41:25 GMT
Just change bus, it’s not hard. It’s unlikely to happen because it’s a ridiculous proposal. Anyone who suggests extending the 152 has obviously never taken it. Hardly ridiculous in fact it's one that's been suggested on here before and there are other options than extending the 152. Being suggested here means nothing! I would be worried if some of the crazy suggestions made here got implemented. |
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