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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 17, 2021 19:32:19 GMT
The 211 is a bit too long for my liking... here is an idea of shortening it: 211: curtailed to Sloane Square and diverted to Hyde Park Corner via Knightsbridge 48: New route between London Bridge and East Acton via the 341 to Waterloo, the old 211 to Chelsea, the 360 along Sloane Avenue, the 49 up to Shepherd's Bush, the 260 up to the Westway, then the 7/72/283 up to East Acton.
I noticed you still not grasped the difference between this thread and the fantasy one? The 211 tops in at 7 miles and max running time of 71 minutes - that is pretty reasonable especially when you consider your 48 proposal is not only much longer but follows the 49 to Shepherds Bush which means it will sit in awful traffic between High Street Kensington & the Shepherds Bush Roundabout. Simply looking at it's length is the wrong way to go about - other factors like traffic hotspots come into it. Some of the remaining longer routes that survive do so because their conditions are much more favourable than others that ended up being shortened It's why services like the 263 & 468 still remain intact as they are, have previously suggested perhaps the 468 be extended to London Bridge and the 50/468 swap southern terminals? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2021 21:02:33 GMT
I noticed you still not grasped the difference between this thread and the fantasy one? The 211 tops in at 7 miles and max running time of 71 minutes - that is pretty reasonable especially when you consider your 48 proposal is not only much longer but follows the 49 to Shepherds Bush which means it will sit in awful traffic between High Street Kensington & the Shepherds Bush Roundabout. Simply looking at it's length is the wrong way to go about - other factors like traffic hotspots come into it. Some of the remaining longer routes that survive do so because their conditions are much more favourable than others that ended up being shortened It's why services like the 263 & 468 still remain intact as they are, have previously suggested perhaps the 468 be extended to London Bridge and the 50/468 swap southern terminals? Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 17, 2021 21:11:43 GMT
It's why services like the 263 & 468 still remain intact as they are, have previously suggested perhaps the 468 be extended to London Bridge and the 50/468 swap southern terminals? Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary I agree. I think Elephant is a good terminal for several routes. 155, 333, 363 all run well as they stop just short of really running into zone 1. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2021 21:16:13 GMT
Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary I agree. I think Elephant is a good terminal for several routes. 155, 333, 363 all run well as they stop just short of really running into zone 1. Indeed, really Elephant needs a large bus station but these are now an afterthought when it comes to building infrastructures instead of under utilised apartments that locals don’t ask for |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 17, 2021 21:24:11 GMT
It's why services like the 263 & 468 still remain intact as they are, have previously suggested perhaps the 468 be extended to London Bridge and the 50/468 swap southern terminals? Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary Only reason I suggested was because Inner London Crown Court is pretty far north of Elephant & Castle, not too far north but around the area of Borough. Obviously I'd be more entitled to believe you because you are local.
Would also link into Guy's which I suppose would be a political bonus.
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 17, 2021 21:26:10 GMT
It's why services like the 263 & 468 still remain intact as they are, have previously suggested perhaps the 468 be extended to London Bridge and the 50/468 swap southern terminals? Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary There would be little point in extending the 468 to London Bridge - you'd duplicate the train service from Croydon for a start which would not see enough demand. The only place it could be extended to really is from Nottingham Road to TC. |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 17, 2021 22:20:20 GMT
Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary Only reason I suggested was because Inner London Crown Court is pretty far north of Elephant & Castle, not too far north but around the area of Borough. Obviously I'd be more entitled to believe you because you are local.
Would also link into Guy's which I suppose would be a political bonus.
In addition 35 133 343 already serve London Bridge. If anything I would extend the 45 to London Bridge. The stops are fairly new to the route however as it previously stood on Lambeth Road. Definitely a bonus in comparison to other routes terminating there which do not go beyond Newington Causeway. Elephant & Castle / Newington Causeway Inner London Crown Court Borough Road |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 17, 2021 22:29:37 GMT
Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary I agree. I think Elephant is a good terminal for several routes. 155, 333, 363 all run well as they stop just short of really running into zone 1. Indeed and it is also a big Interchange point could explain why so many routes have been truncated there, if there was more space the 53 would have been truncated there was well. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2021 23:16:17 GMT
Personally, I don’t see much need in extending the 468 further north, have no issue with the switch of the 50 & 468 southern termini though if it’s necessary Only reason I suggested was because Inner London Crown Court is pretty far north of Elephant & Castle, not too far north but around the area of Borough. Obviously I'd be more entitled to believe you because you are local.
Would also link into Guy's which I suppose would be a political bonus.
Depends on how many people from the Croydon end get referred to Guys, would of thought they'd be referred to Mayday......sorry Croydon University Hospital (still used to calling it Mayday Hospital). Don't forget that Guys has close ties with Tommies & King's Hospitals too although I believe the three hospitals cater more to South East London as I know people from those areas are regularly referred to those hospitals hence the links from South East London (53 to Tommies, 21 to Guys & various buses to Camberwell & Kings itself) being vital. Inner London Crown Court is about 1-2 minutes on the bus from Elephant and about a 5-10 minute walk. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 5:49:18 GMT
The 211 is a bit too long for my liking... here is an idea of shortening it:
211: curtailed to Sloane Square and diverted to Hyde Park Corner via Knightsbridge 48: New route between London Bridge and East Acton via the 341 to Waterloo, the old 211 to Chelsea, the 360 along Sloane Avenue, the 49 up to Shepherd's Bush, the 260 up to the Westway, then the 7/72/283 up to East Acton.
Sorry but this idea is just silly! The 211 isn't long and is fine as it is |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 18, 2021 7:26:44 GMT
I agree. I think Elephant is a good terminal for several routes. 155, 333, 363 all run well as they stop just short of really running into zone 1. Indeed and it is also a big Interchange point could explain why so many routes have been truncated there, if there was more space the 53 would have been truncated there was well. I imagine it would've gotten even more political because of the loss of link to and from St Thomas' Hospital. I think that also explains why no services from that direction were cutback to E&C. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2021 8:09:29 GMT
Indeed and it is also a big Interchange point could explain why so many routes have been truncated there, if there was more space the 53 would have been truncated there was well. I imagine it would've gotten even more political because of the loss of link to and from St Thomas' Hospital. I think that also explains why no services from that direction were cutback to E&C. The 453 still links the hospital to Deptford and the 53 still stops a short walk away. The last stop at Lower Marsh gives a convenient interchange with the 12,148 and 159. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2021 9:22:06 GMT
New Route 494- Bromley, Plaistow Green to New Addington, Homestead Way. A medium frequency single deck route to provide new links and improve efficiency and reliability for a few key trunk routes. Route: Plaistow Green, Bromley North, Shortlands, Shortlands Road, Chinese Garage, South Eden Park Road, West Wickham, Bridle Road, Shrublands double run, Shirley Way, Shirley Church Road, Village of Addington, Addington Village Interchange, Fieldway Estate, Goldcrest Way, King Henry's Drive, New Addington Tram Stop, Central Parade, Homestead Way Further Route Alterations: Route 358 rerouted direct via Bromley Road and Route 227 Route 194 rerouted direct via Wickham Road instead of Shrublands Route 198 rerouted via Shirley Way and West Way (existing route 194) Route 64 rerouted direct via Lodge Lane instead of Fieldway Benefits: - New links between Shrublands/West Wickham and Fieldway/New Addington - New link between Shrublands and Bromley - New service for Village of Addington - More efficient and reliable service for major trunk routes (64, 358) - Relief for 119 and 314 into Bromley from West Wickham and New Addington respectively - New round the corner link from Plaistow to Shortlands. Frequency: 10-11 minutes peak, 12 minutes daytimes, 20 minutes evenings. PVR= 12 Length restriction: 10.2m I think these ideas are great, although I think Fieldway residents would rather keep the 64, maybe the 130 could be rerouted via Lodge Lane instead? The 358 would be far more direct and maybe the frequencies of that and the 227 could be adjusted to give an even service between the two routes. Also speeds up the 194. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2021 11:50:48 GMT
I imagine it would've gotten even more political because of the loss of link to and from St Thomas' Hospital. I think that also explains why no services from that direction were cutback to E&C. The 453 still links the hospital to Deptford and the 53 still stops a short walk away. The last stop at Lower Marsh gives a convenient interchange with the 12,148 and 159. The catchment area doesn’t stop at Deptford hence why the 53 is used by people to access the hospital in the first place. There is little stopping a one stop extension to alight in Lambeth Palace Road opposite the hospital and stand at Lambeth Palace like it did previously |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 18, 2021 12:04:29 GMT
The 453 still links the hospital to Deptford and the 53 still stops a short walk away. The last stop at Lower Marsh gives a convenient interchange with the 12,148 and 159. The catchment area doesn’t stop at Deptford hence why the 53 is used by people to access the hospital in the first place. There is little stopping a one stop extension to alight in Lambeth Palace Road opposite the hospital and stand at Lambeth Palace like it did previously Would also make a slighter nice first stop. Under that railway bridge is pretty grim and understably the buses often don't have their interior lights on in the daytime so can be quite gloomy going up the stairs in the dark. |
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