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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2021 12:59:03 GMT
The catchment area doesn’t stop at Deptford hence why the 53 is used by people to access the hospital in the first place. There is little stopping a one stop extension to alight in Lambeth Palace Road opposite the hospital and stand at Lambeth Palace like it did previously Would also make a slighter nice first stop. Under that railway bridge is pretty grim and understably the buses often don't have their interior lights on in the daytime so can be quite gloomy going up the stairs in the dark. Exactly, hardly a appetising place to get off, probably puts people off getting on or off once they used it for the first time |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 18, 2021 14:56:46 GMT
Would also make a slighter nice first stop. Under that railway bridge is pretty grim and understably the buses often don't have their interior lights on in the daytime so can be quite gloomy going up the stairs in the dark. Exactly, hardly a appetising place to get off, probably puts people off getting on or off once they used it for the first time Bird poo everywhere there on the bridge. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2021 14:59:21 GMT
Exactly, hardly a appetising place to get off, probably puts people off getting on or off once they used it for the first time Bird poo everywhere there on the bridge. Yep indeed and the fact, railway bridges in particular are very good at being sieves leaking all sorts down to road level |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 18, 2021 15:13:15 GMT
Bird poo everywhere there on the bridge. Yep indeed and the fact, railway bridges in particular are very good at being sieves leaking all sorts down to road level Yuk. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Nov 18, 2021 16:24:13 GMT
New Route 494- Bromley, Plaistow Green to New Addington, Homestead Way. A medium frequency single deck route to provide new links and improve efficiency and reliability for a few key trunk routes. Route: Plaistow Green, Bromley North, Shortlands, Shortlands Road, Chinese Garage, South Eden Park Road, West Wickham, Bridle Road, Shrublands double run, Shirley Way, Shirley Church Road, Village of Addington, Addington Village Interchange, Fieldway Estate, Goldcrest Way, King Henry's Drive, New Addington Tram Stop, Central Parade, Homestead Way Further Route Alterations: Route 358 rerouted direct via Bromley Road and Route 227 Route 194 rerouted direct via Wickham Road instead of Shrublands Route 198 rerouted via Shirley Way and West Way (existing route 194) Route 64 rerouted direct via Lodge Lane instead of Fieldway Benefits: - New links between Shrublands/West Wickham and Fieldway/New Addington - New link between Shrublands and Bromley - New service for Village of Addington - More efficient and reliable service for major trunk routes (64, 358) - Relief for 119 and 314 into Bromley from West Wickham and New Addington respectively - New round the corner link from Plaistow to Shortlands. Frequency: 10-11 minutes peak, 12 minutes daytimes, 20 minutes evenings. PVR= 12 Length restriction: 10.2m I think these ideas are great, although I think Fieldway residents would rather keep the 64, maybe the 130 could be rerouted via Lodge Lane instead? The 358 would be far more direct and maybe the frequencies of that and the 227 could be adjusted to give an even service between the two routes. Also speeds up the 194. I'm sure Fieldway residents would prefer a direct link to Croydon, but it would massively improve the 64's reliability if it didn't have its circuitous routing in Fieldway and New Addington. Plus with the hopper fare they can make the short journey to Addington Village and change for other destinations. In terms of shopping and other similar amenities, the 494 does give them a new direct link to Bromley. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 18, 2021 16:35:13 GMT
I think these ideas are great, although I think Fieldway residents would rather keep the 64, maybe the 130 could be rerouted via Lodge Lane instead? The 358 would be far more direct and maybe the frequencies of that and the 227 could be adjusted to give an even service between the two routes. Also speeds up the 194. I'm sure Fieldway residents would prefer a direct link to Croydon, but it would massively improve the 64's reliability if it didn't have its circuitous routing in Fieldway and New Addington. Plus with the hopper fare they can make the short journey to Addington Village and change for other destinations. In terms of shopping and other similar amenities, the 494 does give them a new direct link to Bromley. And those Fieldway residents already have a direct link - it's the tram. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2021 16:39:40 GMT
I'm sure Fieldway residents would prefer a direct link to Croydon, but it would massively improve the 64's reliability if it didn't have its circuitous routing in Fieldway and New Addington. Plus with the hopper fare they can make the short journey to Addington Village and change for other destinations. In terms of shopping and other similar amenities, the 494 does give them a new direct link to Bromley. And those Fieldway residents already have a direct link - it's the tram. Not quite, the tram stop is rather misleadingly named. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2021 17:23:49 GMT
I think these ideas are great, although I think Fieldway residents would rather keep the 64, maybe the 130 could be rerouted via Lodge Lane instead? The 358 would be far more direct and maybe the frequencies of that and the 227 could be adjusted to give an even service between the two routes. Also speeds up the 194. I'm sure Fieldway residents would prefer a direct link to Croydon, but it would massively improve the 64's reliability if it didn't have its circuitous routing in Fieldway and New Addington. Plus with the hopper fare they can make the short journey to Addington Village and change for other destinations. In terms of shopping and other similar amenities, the 494 does give them a new direct link to Bromley. From my own experience, the 64 hasn't really been unreliable and it helps that a large proportion of it's routing is along roads that don't see as much traffic as other areas with really any issues being in the Croydon & Broad Green areas. I'm not local but I probably would stop your routing at Addington Village Interchange rather than continue onward to New Addington and look into either a decker conversion if possible or frequency increase to the 314 up to every 10 minutes and improve the Sunday service to every 15 or every 20 minutes. I personally don't understand swapping the 194 & 198 between Shirley & Monks Orchard especially as it sounds like from your proposal that the 194 will simply duplicate the 119 from Croydon to West Wickham and I disgaree with diverting the 358 via the 227 between Shortlands & Beckenham as that would unnecessarily break a number of links nor have I found the 358 to be unreliable at all despite it's length likely due to a number of sections of the route where traffic isn't as bad as other parts of London. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2021 17:26:05 GMT
And those Fieldway residents already have a direct link - it's the tram. Not quite, the tram stop is rather misleadingly named. As much as it pains me to agree with you, yes I have to agree somewhat, probably Headley Drive would of been a better name. Fieldway is further up Lodge Lane |
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Post by abellion on Nov 18, 2021 17:42:36 GMT
In regards to the 50/468 termini swap I always thought the 264 would make sense to go to South Croydon instead. It is shorter than the 50 and 468, and at worst there might be some traffic in Mitcham or on Tooting High St. Of course now it goes to West Croydon it probably won't happen
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2021 17:51:47 GMT
In regards to the 50/468 termini swap I always thought the 264 would make sense to go to South Croydon instead. It is shorter than the 50 and 468, and at worst there might be some traffic in Mitcham or on Tooting High St. Of course now it goes to West Croydon it probably won't happen If neither the 50 or 468 go to South Croydon the link to Thornton Heath High Street is lost although it's probably not as important as it would have been years ago. I think the idea was to curtail the 468 in Croydon Town Centre and extend it at the other end to London Bridge, it goes to within a stones throw of there now. I can't see any purpose in extending the 264 to South Croydon. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 18, 2021 18:12:16 GMT
In regards to the 50/468 termini swap I always thought the 264 would make sense to go to South Croydon instead. It is shorter than the 50 and 468, and at worst there might be some traffic in Mitcham or on Tooting High St. Of course now it goes to West Croydon it probably won't happen If neither the 50 or 468 go to South Croydon the link to Thornton Heath High Street is lost although it's probably not as important as it would have been years ago. I think the idea was to curtail the 468 in Croydon Town Centre and extend it at the other end to London Bridge, it goes to within a stones throw of there now. I can't see any purpose in extending the 264 to South Croydon. The 35 already covers the link between Camberwell, E&C and London Bridge, and the 133 uses the same section between E&C and London Bridge. What’s the point in extending the 468 as well? |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2021 18:33:56 GMT
If neither the 50 or 468 go to South Croydon the link to Thornton Heath High Street is lost although it's probably not as important as it would have been years ago. I think the idea was to curtail the 468 in Croydon Town Centre and extend it at the other end to London Bridge, it goes to within a stones throw of there now. I can't see any purpose in extending the 264 to South Croydon. The 35 already covers the link between Camberwell, E&C and London Bridge, and the 133 uses the same section between E&C and London Bridge. What’s the point in extending the 468 as well? The 468 almost goes there now, Inner London Crown Court, so it's a potentially useful extension that can be done for very little cost and stand space shouldn't be an insurmountable problem. Alternatively the 468 could use the Lambeth Road stand and extend another route, maybe the 171 to London Bridge? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2021 19:07:30 GMT
The 35 already covers the link between Camberwell, E&C and London Bridge, and the 133 uses the same section between E&C and London Bridge. What’s the point in extending the 468 as well? The 468 almost goes there now, Inner London Crown Court, so it's a potentially useful extension that can be done for very little cost and stand space shouldn't be an insurmountable problem. Alternatively the 468 could use the Lambeth Road stand and extend another route, maybe the 171 to London Bridge? But as southlondonbus already pointed out, a number of routes already run between Elephant & London Bridge whilst Camberwell Peckham & New Cross all link to London Bridge already making a 171 extension to London Bridge redundant. The 468 only serves Inner London Crown Court because of stand space as it previously stood on Lambeth Road before the 45 & 171 cutbacks |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 18, 2021 19:51:54 GMT
Could a good idea be extending the 130 to Croydon University Hospital (for Mayday hospital links) and perhaps (if Selhurst Park Stadium is disruptive on match days) divert the 130 via S Norwood Hill & Whitehorse Lane and maybe even extend the 312 to Crystal Palace via Church Road & S Norwood Hill?
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