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Post by rif153 on Jul 3, 2020 10:13:30 GMT
I have an idea for Canada Water changes: Route 1 - Withdrawn between Surrey Quays & Canada Water and extended to Catford Bus Garage via the 47. Route 47 - Discontinued Route 381 - Withdrawn between London Bridge & County Hall and rerouted to Shoreditch via old Route 47 to give new links into the area. Route 188 - Rerouted between Tower Bridge Road & Waterloo Station via Old Route 381 Route (N)47 - Becomes it's own route running between Shoreditch & Catford Bus Garage at night. Thoughts? The northern end of the 47 has seen its patronage plummet with the route largely being a Canada Water feeder nowadays. Therefore I think that if the northern end of the 47 is cut back then the cut won't be mitigated, it seems more likely one of the 47 or 381 would be cut back to Canada Water in my opinion.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 3, 2020 10:21:56 GMT
I have an idea for Canada Water changes: Route 1 - Withdrawn between Surrey Quays & Canada Water and extended to Catford Bus Garage via the 47. Route 47 - Discontinued Route 381 - Withdrawn between London Bridge & County Hall and rerouted to Shoreditch via old Route 47 to give new links into the area. Route 188 - Rerouted between Tower Bridge Road & Waterloo Station via Old Route 381 Route (N)47 - Becomes it's own route running between Shoreditch & Catford Bus Garage at night. Thoughts? The northern end of the 47 has seen its patronage plummet with the route largely being a Canada Water feeder nowadays. Therefore I think that if the northern end of the 47 is cut back then the cut won't be mitigated, it seems more likely one of the 47 or 381 would be cut back to Canada Water in my opinion. If patronage plummets on the northern end then the 381 could then be sliced at London Bridge or sent somewhere else in Central London
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 3, 2020 10:26:08 GMT
The 381 is needed between Waterloo and LB due to the RV1 being withdrawn. The 381 could run directly and the 199 extended round the Rotherhithe Loop to Bermondsey Station. The 47 could just run CW to TL but I'd rather seen a re arrangement of the 208/320 with a Bromley to CW route or divert the 321 at Lewisham via Brookmill Road to Canada Water and axe the 47 altogether.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 3, 2020 10:41:30 GMT
The 381 is needed between Waterloo and LB due to the RV1 being withdrawn. The 381 could run directly and the 199 extended round the Rotherhithe Loop to Bermondsey Station. The 47 could just run CW to TL but I'd rather seen a re arrangement of the 208/320 with a Bromley to CW route or divert the 321 at Lewisham via Brookmill Road to Canada Water and axe the 47 altogether. The 381 is needed between there though I sent the 188 down there for reliability reasoning as it hits up Bricklayers & E&C and also to give it links close to Covent Garden that the RV1 did. The 188 also serves the West End much more than the 381 does. The 1 could then take over the 47 down to CBG, or even if stands could be built terminate near the Catford Centre meaning it would become a Catford, Brownhill Road to Tottenham Court Road. The 321 as it is already a long route and that if the 1 went to CBG it would be 11 miles, or if it went to Catford, Brownhill Road it would be 10.5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 13:04:38 GMT
The Bakerloo Line Extension I cannot see happening and it is most certainly not going to feasible for the next 10-15 years. With Boris Johnson's plan for government investment in infrastructure projects including public transport schemes it's even more likely to go ahead now I'd have thought.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 3, 2020 13:34:57 GMT
Possibly but he will be encouraged for the investment to not all be in london and the biggest priority in London will be the Piccadilly line upgrade and Crossrail 2.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 3, 2020 13:58:02 GMT
Possibly but he will be encouraged for the investment to not all be in london and the biggest priority in London will be the Piccadilly line upgrade and Crossrail 2. Almost certainly, a Conservative government will look to benefit Conservative areas, something London currently is not. Think we will be lucky to get crossrail 2 as well.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 3, 2020 15:55:58 GMT
The Bakerloo Line Extension I cannot see happening and it is most certainly not going to feasible for the next 10-15 years. With Boris Johnson's plan for government investment in infrastructure projects including public transport schemes it's even more likely to go ahead now I'd have thought. Boris's new policy is to be as anti London as possible in order to help the North - rather than putting the north more on a par with London, he is effectively instead wanting a reverse which is stupid. Very little is talked about how a proportion of money raised in London is used elsewhere in the country and not actually in London - instead, people in the north are constantly drip fed that everyone in London lives in mansions and has more money than needed which is so far from reality, it's staggering
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 16:12:09 GMT
With Boris Johnson's plan for government investment in infrastructure projects including public transport schemes it's even more likely to go ahead now I'd have thought. Boris's new policy is to be as anti London as possible in order to help the North - rather than putting the north more on a par with London, he is effectively instead wanting a reverse which is stupid. Very little is talked about how a proportion of money raised in London is used elsewhere in the country and not actually in London - instead, people in the north are constantly drip fed that everyone in London lives in mansions and has more money than needed which is so far from reality, it's staggering While he talks about "levelling up", it would be a bit of a PR disaster for him if on one hand he's saying "build build build" and the other hand major infrastructure projects are being cancelled. Who knows these days. Just glad I'm not working for the No. 10 press office. 😂
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Post by TB123 on Jul 3, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
Boris's new policy is to be as anti London as possible in order to help the North - rather than putting the north more on a par with London, he is effectively instead wanting a reverse which is stupid. Very little is talked about how a proportion of money raised in London is used elsewhere in the country and not actually in London - instead, people in the north are constantly drip fed that everyone in London lives in mansions and has more money than needed which is so far from reality, it's staggering While he talks about "levelling up", it would be a bit of a PR disaster for him if on one hand he's saying "build build build" and the other hand major infrastructure projects are being cancelled. Who knows these days. Just glad I'm not working for the No. 10 press office. 😂 Talking a lot about big projects yet in practice ditching many projects? Sounds exactly like Johnson! He did that when he was Mayor, preaching mad vanity ideas like Boris buses and the Boris Island Airport yet immediately cancelling or downsizing many projects like DLR to Dagenham, Thames Gateway Bridge, East London Transit which had far more solid business cases.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 3, 2020 16:27:23 GMT
While he talks about "levelling up", it would be a bit of a PR disaster for him if on one hand he's saying "build build build" and the other hand major infrastructure projects are being cancelled. Who knows these days. Just glad I'm not working for the No. 10 press office. 😂 Talking a lot about big projects yet in practice ditching many projects? Sounds exactly like Johnson! He did that when he was Mayor, preaching mad vanity ideas like Boris buses and the Boris Island Airport yet immediately cancelling or downsizing many projects like DLR to Dagenham, Thames Gateway Bridge, East London Transit which had far more solid business cases. It's hilarious looking at what the ELT was once meant to be, an actual rapid transit system with busways, high capacity bendy buses and frequent services. Would even go across the river too so would have a broader reach. Now it's an LT operated service with the only "busway" being the stop at Thames View Health Centre. It's a shame the bridge especially got shelved, now the amount of drama surrounding a crossing in the East is ridiculous.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 3, 2020 16:37:52 GMT
With Boris Johnson's plan for government investment in infrastructure projects including public transport schemes it's even more likely to go ahead now I'd have thought. Boris's new policy is to be as anti London as possible in order to help the North - rather than putting the north more on a par with London, he is effectively instead wanting a reverse which is stupid. Very little is talked about how a proportion of money raised in London is used elsewhere in the country and not actually in London - instead, people in the north are constantly drip fed that everyone in London lives in mansions and has more money than needed which is so far from reality, it's staggering I see HS2 and probably even HS3 being prioritised ahead of the Bakerloo Line extension and Crossrail 2. The two proposals for high speed railways will both benefit exactly the kind of northern areas the Conservatives will be keen to hold on to come the next election. On your point about people believing London is a rich city I completely agree and whilst we do have great transport infrastructure in large parts of the city, people do need to realise that swathes of London are poorly connected too such as Thamesmead for instance.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 3, 2020 16:39:31 GMT
Based on the last few posts concerning the 188 and some other routes in the Canada Water area, I've put together some possible scenarios, partially based on some of the suggestions here. Scenario 1: 1: Extended from Canada Water to North Greenwich via 188 and 129. 45: Extended to Canada Water 129: Extended to Lewisham as expected 188: Discontinued, replaced mostly by 1 extension, Blackwall Lane left served by 422. 199: Extended to Bromley North via 320 320: Withdrawn north of Bromley, replaced by 199 extension. Scenario 2: 47 - Discontinued 171 - Discontinued 172 - Extended from Brockley Rise to Catford via former 171. 199: Extended to London Bridge via former 47, to link with 388. In my opinion, all of these routes would be better off left alone, and I don't see this area under a serious threat of change, unless the Bakerloo line extension gets approved and is actually built. If the Bakerloo extension does get built, the route I see disappearing completely is the 453, which would basically become a bus version of the southern end of the Bakerloo.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 3, 2020 16:49:55 GMT
Based on the last few posts concerning the 188 and some other routes in the Canada Water area, I've put together some possible scenarios, partially based on some of the suggestions here. Scenario 1: 1: Extended from Canada Water to North Greenwich via 188 and 129. 45: Extended to Canada Water 129: Extended to Lewisham as expected 188: Discontinued, replaced mostly by 1 extension, Blackwall Lane left served by 422. 199: Extended to Bromley North via 320 320: Withdrawn north of Bromley, replaced by 199 extension. Scenario 2: 47 - Discontinued 171 - Discontinued 172 - Extended from Brockley Rise to Catford via former 171. 199: Extended to London Bridge via former 47, to link with 388. In my opinion, all of these routes would be better off left alone, and I don't see this area under a serious threat of change, unless the Bakerloo line extension gets approved and is actually built. If the Bakerloo extension does get built, the route I see disappearing completely is the 453, which would basically become a bus version of the southern end of the Bakerloo. The 453 would largely parallel the Bakerloo Line when you consider it serves Marylebone, Regent's Park, Baker Street, Oxford Circus, Piccadilly Circus, Charing Cross, Lambeth North, Elephant & Castle and serves the Old Kent Road which is of course the current proposal for the extension.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 3, 2020 17:05:23 GMT
Based on the last few posts concerning the 188 and some other routes in the Canada Water area, I've put together some possible scenarios, partially based on some of the suggestions here. Scenario 1: 1: Extended from Canada Water to North Greenwich via 188 and 129. 45: Extended to Canada Water 129: Extended to Lewisham as expected 188: Discontinued, replaced mostly by 1 extension, Blackwall Lane left served by 422. 199: Extended to Bromley North via 320 320: Withdrawn north of Bromley, replaced by 199 extension. Scenario 2: 47 - Discontinued 171 - Discontinued 172 - Extended from Brockley Rise to Catford via former 171. 199: Extended to London Bridge via former 47, to link with 388. In my opinion, all of these routes would be better off left alone, and I don't see this area under a serious threat of change, unless the Bakerloo line extension gets approved and is actually built. If the Bakerloo extension does get built, the route I see disappearing completely is the 453, which would basically become a bus version of the southern end of the Bakerloo. But the 2 has paralleled the Victoria & the National Rail line between Victoria & Brixton for many years yet has rightly not been withdrawn as the 2 itself also has heavy loadings along that section - surely this will apply to the 453 as well?
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