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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 19:16:03 GMT
I still don't get why you want to withdraw the 148, it breaks a lot of links by doing this 1. I don't particularly want this, but who wanted to get rid of the 10, 48 and 82 other than TfL? 2. Hopper Fare! Aside, links between many places are preserved. The 2 could continue to White City via the 31. if you don't want it, why suggest withdrawing the 148? Gosh the 2 would become so long and potentially unreliable, it's fine as it is. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 27, 2021 19:23:01 GMT
Some Central London ideas: Routes 2, 137, 148 and 2112 - Would no longer run between Marylebone and Marble Arch. Would instead be rerouted to Notting Hill Gate via route 94. N2 would remain unchanged 137 - Would be extended to Marylebone to replace route 2. N137 would remain unchanged. 148 - Would be withdrawn. 211 - Would no longer run between Waterloo and Westminster Bridge. Would instead be rerouted to Camberwell Green via route 148. 12 - Night service renumbered N12 and withdrawn between Parliament Square and Oxford Circus. Would then be extended to White City via route 148. Day 12 would remain unchanged. Routes 16, 36 and 332
16 - Would be rerouted between Kilburn High Road and Marble Arch via Brondesbury Road and route 36. Night service renumbered N32. 36 - Would be no longer run between Paddington and Queens Park. Night service would remain unchanged but renumbered N36. 332 - Would no longer run between Edgware Road Station and Paddington. Would then be extended to Marble Arch via route 98. Cutting the N12 away from Oxford Circus is absolutely ridiculous. It's normally really well used to and from there with the night time market. The other idea I had was for the N2 to be rerouted to Shepherd's Bush/White City as per the 148, the N137 rerouted to Marylebone as per the day 137 and the N12 routed to Oxford Circus via Victoria and Marble. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 27, 2021 20:50:33 GMT
I still don't get why you want to withdraw the 148, it breaks a lot of links by doing this 1. I don't particularly want this, but who wanted to get rid of the 10, 48 and 82 other than TfL? 2. Hopper Fare! Aside, links between many places are preserved. The 2 could continue to White City via the 31. The 2 couldn't continue to White City - the distance and time it takes between Marble Arch & White City is longer than between Marble Arch & Marylebone and that includes the queue 2's join when leaving the stand at Marylebone. The 2 is one of the most useful & reliable routes on my doorstep and I don't want to see that change. Don't get wrong, the link to Westfield would be nice but not at the expense of what the 2 currently does |
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Post by someone on Nov 28, 2021 15:02:12 GMT
NEW route idea - route 10 from Shoreditch to Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue, vaguely duplicating the old 98A.
towards Streatham Hill:
Shoreditch High Street Station (N)
Commercial Street/Worship Street (D)
Primrose Street (J)
Liverpool Street Station (K)
Wormwood Street (Y)
Old Broad Street (LL)
Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (H)
St Paul's Churchyard (SH)
St Paul's Cathedral (SJ)
City Thameslink Station/Ludgate Circus (F)
Shoe Lane (H)
Fetter Lane (no letter)
Chancery Lane (no letter)
The Royal Courts of Justice (P)
Aldwych/Australia House (G)
Aldwych/Drury Lane (R)
Savoy Street (U)
Bedford Street (J)
Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross Station (K)
Whitehall/Trafalgar Square (N)
Horse Guards Avenue (no letter)
Westminster Station/Parliament Square (G)
St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (E)
Lower Marsh (K)
Lambeth North Station (C)
St George's Circus (D)
Elephant & Castle/London Road (D)
Elephant & Castle Station (R)
Larcom Street (A)
East Street (F)
Westmoreland Road (J)
John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter)
John Ruskin Street/Dale Road (new stop, no letter)
Bethwin Road (T)
Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (new stop, U)
Foxley Road (new stop, no letter)
Mandela Street (new stop, RG)
Groveway (RJ)
Loughborough Road (RK)
Villa Road (RL)
Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (G)
Brixton Station (Q)
Rush Common (BA)
Brixton Water Lane (BB)
Blenheim Gardens (BC)
Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BD)
New Park Road (BE)
Holmewood Road (BF)
Streatham Hill/Christchurch Road (BH)
Streatham Hill/Telford Avenue (R)
towards Shoreditch:
Telford Avenue (T)
Christchurch Road (BS)
Holmewood Road (BT)
New Park Road (BU)
Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BV)
Blenheim Gardens (BW)
Rush Common (BY)
Lambeth Town Hall (X)
Brixton Station (R)
Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (D)
Villa Road (RA)
Loughborough Road (RB)
Groveway (RC)
Hillyard Street (RD)
Mandela Road (new stop, RF)
Elliott Road (new stop, no letter)
Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (J)
Bethwin Road (K)
Dale Road (new stop, no letter)
John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter)
Westmoreland Road (M)
East Street (H)
Larcom Street (C)
Heygate Street (Z)
Elephant & Castle Station (V)
London College of Communication (Z)
St George's Road/Imperial War Museum (N)
Lambeth North Station (B)
Lower Marsh (A)
St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (D)
Westminster Station/Parliament Square (A)
Horse Guards Avenue (no letter)
Charing Cross Station/Trafalgar Square (F)
Southampton Street/Covent Garden (A)
Aldwych (D)
The Royal Courts of Justice (M)
Fetter Lane (no letter)
Lugate Circus (E)
Ludgate Hill/Old Bailey (G)
St Paul's Cathedral (SK)
Mansion House Station (ME)
Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (MD)
Bank Station/Cornhill (D)
Bishopsgate (R)
Wormwood Street (W)
Liverpool Street Station (F)
Shoreditch High Street Station (E)
Curtain Road (ZA)
Shoreditch Town Hall (X)
Shoreditch (Z2)
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 28, 2021 15:39:26 GMT
1. I don't particularly want this, but who wanted to get rid of the 10, 48 and 82 other than TfL? 2. Hopper Fare! Aside, links between many places are preserved. The 2 could continue to White City via the 31. The 2 couldn't continue to White City - the distance and time it takes between Marble Arch & White City is longer than between Marble Arch & Marylebone and that includes the queue 2's join when leaving the stand at Marylebone. The 2 is one of the most useful & reliable routes on my doorstep and I don't want to see that change. Don't get wrong, the link to Westfield would be nice but not at the expense of what the 2 currently does The main idea was for it to run to NHG. That was in response to a comment about broken links. I don't think that it would be feasible to run it all the way to White City either. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 15:47:36 GMT
NEW route idea - route 10 from Shoreditch to Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue, vaguely duplicating the old 98A. towards Streatham Hill: Shoreditch High Street Station (N) Commercial Street/Worship Street (D) Primrose Street (J) Liverpool Street Station (K) Wormwood Street (Y) Old Broad Street (LL) Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (H) St Paul's Churchyard (SH) St Paul's Cathedral (SJ) City Thameslink Station/Ludgate Circus (F) Shoe Lane (H) Fetter Lane (no letter) Chancery Lane (no letter) The Royal Courts of Justice (P) Aldwych/Australia House (G) Aldwych/Drury Lane (R) Savoy Street (U) Bedford Street (J) Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross Station (K) Whitehall/Trafalgar Square (N) Horse Guards Avenue (no letter) Westminster Station/Parliament Square (G) St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (E) Lower Marsh (K) Lambeth North Station (C) St George's Circus (D) Elephant & Castle/London Road (D) Elephant & Castle Station (R) Larcom Street (A) East Street (F) Westmoreland Road (J) John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter) John Ruskin Street/Dale Road (new stop, no letter) Bethwin Road (T) Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (new stop, U) Foxley Road (new stop, no letter) Mandela Street (new stop, RG) Groveway (RJ) Loughborough Road (RK) Villa Road (RL) Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (G) Brixton Station (Q) Rush Common (BA) Brixton Water Lane (BB) Blenheim Gardens (BC) Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BD) New Park Road (BE) Holmewood Road (BF) Streatham Hill/Christchurch Road (BH) Streatham Hill/Telford Avenue (R) towards Shoreditch: Telford Avenue (T) Christchurch Road (BS) Holmewood Road (BT) New Park Road (BU) Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BV) Blenheim Gardens (BW) Rush Common (BY) Lambeth Town Hall (X) Brixton Station (R) Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (D) Villa Road (RA) Loughborough Road (RB) Groveway (RC) Hillyard Street (RD) Mandela Road (new stop, RF) Elliott Road (new stop, no letter) Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (J) Bethwin Road (K) Dale Road (new stop, no letter) John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter) Westmoreland Road (M) East Street (H) Larcom Street (C) Heygate Street (Z) Elephant & Castle Station (V) London College of Communication (Z) St George's Road/Imperial War Museum (N) Lambeth North Station (B) Lower Marsh (A) St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (D) Westminster Station/Parliament Square (A) Horse Guards Avenue (no letter) Charing Cross Station/Trafalgar Square (F) Southampton Street/Covent Garden (A) Aldwych (D) The Royal Courts of Justice (M) Fetter Lane (no letter) Lugate Circus (E) Ludgate Hill/Old Bailey (G) St Paul's Cathedral (SK) Mansion House Station (ME) Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (MD) Bank Station/Cornhill (D) Bishopsgate (R) Wormwood Street (W) Liverpool Street Station (F) Shoreditch High Street Station (E) Curtain Road (ZA) Shoreditch Town Hall (X) Shoreditch (Z2) What's the point? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 28, 2021 16:17:17 GMT
NEW route idea - route 10 from Shoreditch to Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue, vaguely duplicating the old 98A. towards Streatham Hill: Shoreditch High Street Station (N) Commercial Street/Worship Street (D) Primrose Street (J) Liverpool Street Station (K) Wormwood Street (Y) Old Broad Street (LL) Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (H) St Paul's Churchyard (SH) St Paul's Cathedral (SJ) City Thameslink Station/Ludgate Circus (F) Shoe Lane (H) Fetter Lane (no letter) Chancery Lane (no letter) The Royal Courts of Justice (P) Aldwych/Australia House (G) Aldwych/Drury Lane (R) Savoy Street (U) Bedford Street (J) Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross Station (K) Whitehall/Trafalgar Square (N) Horse Guards Avenue (no letter) Westminster Station/Parliament Square (G) St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (E) Lower Marsh (K) Lambeth North Station (C) St George's Circus (D) Elephant & Castle/London Road (D) Elephant & Castle Station (R) Larcom Street (A) East Street (F) Westmoreland Road (J) John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter) John Ruskin Street/Dale Road (new stop, no letter) Bethwin Road (T) Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (new stop, U) Foxley Road (new stop, no letter) Mandela Street (new stop, RG) Groveway (RJ) Loughborough Road (RK) Villa Road (RL) Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (G) Brixton Station (Q) Rush Common (BA) Brixton Water Lane (BB) Blenheim Gardens (BC) Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BD) New Park Road (BE) Holmewood Road (BF) Streatham Hill/Christchurch Road (BH) Streatham Hill/Telford Avenue (R) towards Shoreditch: Telford Avenue (T) Christchurch Road (BS) Holmewood Road (BT) New Park Road (BU) Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BV) Blenheim Gardens (BW) Rush Common (BY) Lambeth Town Hall (X) Brixton Station (R) Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (D) Villa Road (RA) Loughborough Road (RB) Groveway (RC) Hillyard Street (RD) Mandela Road (new stop, RF) Elliott Road (new stop, no letter) Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (J) Bethwin Road (K) Dale Road (new stop, no letter) John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter) Westmoreland Road (M) East Street (H) Larcom Street (C) Heygate Street (Z) Elephant & Castle Station (V) London College of Communication (Z) St George's Road/Imperial War Museum (N) Lambeth North Station (B) Lower Marsh (A) St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (D) Westminster Station/Parliament Square (A) Horse Guards Avenue (no letter) Charing Cross Station/Trafalgar Square (F) Southampton Street/Covent Garden (A) Aldwych (D) The Royal Courts of Justice (M) Fetter Lane (no letter) Lugate Circus (E) Ludgate Hill/Old Bailey (G) St Paul's Cathedral (SK) Mansion House Station (ME) Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (MD) Bank Station/Cornhill (D) Bishopsgate (R) Wormwood Street (W) Liverpool Street Station (F) Shoreditch High Street Station (E) Curtain Road (ZA) Shoreditch Town Hall (X) Shoreditch (Z2) As a local, this isn’t needed - Shoreditch already links to Walworth with the 35 whilst the 133 finishes very close to Shoreditch at Liverpool Street just a short walk away |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 28, 2021 20:25:01 GMT
NEW route idea - route 10 from Shoreditch to Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue, vaguely duplicating the old 98A. towards Streatham Hill: Shoreditch High Street Station (N) Commercial Street/Worship Street (D) Primrose Street (J) Liverpool Street Station (K) Wormwood Street (Y) Old Broad Street (LL) Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (H) St Paul's Churchyard (SH) St Paul's Cathedral (SJ) City Thameslink Station/Ludgate Circus (F) Shoe Lane (H) Fetter Lane (no letter) Chancery Lane (no letter) The Royal Courts of Justice (P) Aldwych/Australia House (G) Aldwych/Drury Lane (R) Savoy Street (U) Bedford Street (J) Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross Station (K) Whitehall/Trafalgar Square (N) Horse Guards Avenue (no letter) Westminster Station/Parliament Square (G) St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (E) Lower Marsh (K) Lambeth North Station (C) St George's Circus (D) Elephant & Castle/London Road (D) Elephant & Castle Station (R) Larcom Street (A) East Street (F) Westmoreland Road (J) John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter) John Ruskin Street/Dale Road (new stop, no letter) Bethwin Road (T) Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (new stop, U) Foxley Road (new stop, no letter) Mandela Street (new stop, RG) Groveway (RJ) Loughborough Road (RK) Villa Road (RL) Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (G) Brixton Station (Q) Rush Common (BA) Brixton Water Lane (BB) Blenheim Gardens (BC) Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BD) New Park Road (BE) Holmewood Road (BF) Streatham Hill/Christchurch Road (BH) Streatham Hill/Telford Avenue (R) towards Shoreditch: Telford Avenue (T) Christchurch Road (BS) Holmewood Road (BT) New Park Road (BU) Jebb Avenue/Brixton Prison (BV) Blenheim Gardens (BW) Rush Common (BY) Lambeth Town Hall (X) Brixton Station (R) Brixton Road/Brixton Police Station (D) Villa Road (RA) Loughborough Road (RB) Groveway (RC) Hillyard Street (RD) Mandela Road (new stop, RF) Elliott Road (new stop, no letter) Vassall Road/Camberwell New Road (J) Bethwin Road (K) Dale Road (new stop, no letter) John Ruskin Primary School (new stop, no letter) Westmoreland Road (M) East Street (H) Larcom Street (C) Heygate Street (Z) Elephant & Castle Station (V) London College of Communication (Z) St George's Road/Imperial War Museum (N) Lambeth North Station (B) Lower Marsh (A) St Thomas' Hospital/County Hall (D) Westminster Station/Parliament Square (A) Horse Guards Avenue (no letter) Charing Cross Station/Trafalgar Square (F) Southampton Street/Covent Garden (A) Aldwych (D) The Royal Courts of Justice (M) Fetter Lane (no letter) Lugate Circus (E) Ludgate Hill/Old Bailey (G) St Paul's Cathedral (SK) Mansion House Station (ME) Bank Station/Queen Victoria Street (MD) Bank Station/Cornhill (D) Bishopsgate (R) Wormwood Street (W) Liverpool Street Station (F) Shoreditch High Street Station (E) Curtain Road (ZA) Shoreditch Town Hall (X) Shoreditch (Z2) As a local, this isn’t needed - Shoreditch already links to Walworth with the 35 whilst the 133 finishes very close to Shoreditch at Liverpool Street just a short walk away Agree, this is a bit of an overkill when you have the perfectly good route 133 (and 35) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 20:34:08 GMT
Quite frankly this whole thread is quite pointless unless we’re discussing merger of routes and withdrawal of routes. The concept of a brand new route in London is now seriously far fetched.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 20:51:18 GMT
14 - withdrawn between Green Park and Russell Square and rerouted to Oxford Circus. Extended from Putney Heath to Roehampton Vale Asda via Tibbets Corner and A3. To decrease journey times between Putney and Oxford Circus and to link Roehampton Vale with central London
22 - withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Sloane Square, and Putney Bridge south side and Putney Common. Extended to Raynes Park via 93 to Wimbledon (Parkside Avenue), Cannizaro Road, Westside Common, Woodhayes Road, 200 to Raynes Park (without the Copse Hill double run). To link Raynes Park with Putney and Central London. Cutting the 22 to Sloane Square is viable because there is the 19 from Chelsea to connect as far as Green Park.
19 - rerouted between Tottenham Court Road and Angel via 14 to Russell Square, Euston and King's Cross. To maintain links lost by 14. Passengers as far as Hyde Park Corner can continue their journey as far as Highbury on the 38.
30/38 - routes swapped between Angel and Canonbury. So that the 38 can match the 19's route between Hyde Park and Higbury. (Due to the 19's rerouting)
74/430 - merged, but withdrawn between Baker Street and Marble Arch without replacement, to improve reliability. Rerouted between Putney Bridge and Dover House Road via 22 to Putney Common, Queen's Ride and South Circular Road. To link Barnes with Central London, and to provide Queen's Ride with a bus route. Route will be numbered 74 and operates from Marble Arch to Roehampton. Replaces the 414 between South Kensington and Marble Arch
414 - withdrawn between Marble Arch and South Kensington, and between Putney Bridge and Fulham Broadway. Rerouted to Mitcham via 28 to Wandsworth, 270 to Mitcham. To make the 414 more useful rather than duplicating the 14, and also to retain the link between Wandsworth and Mitcham, to increase capacity on Garratt Lane, and to link Mitcham to central London.
270 - withdrawn between Tooting (Amen Corner) and Mitcham. (Replaced by 414). Rerouted to Streatham, St Leonard's Church. To link Putney and Wandsworth with Streatham.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 30, 2021 21:29:34 GMT
14 - withdrawn between Green Park and Russell Square and rerouted to Oxford Circus. Extended from Putney Heath to Roehampton Vale Asda via Tibbets Corner and A3. To decrease journey times between Putney and Oxford Circus and to link Roehampton Vale with central London 22 - withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Sloane Square, and Putney Bridge south side and Putney Common. Extended to Raynes Park via 93 to Wimbledon (Parkside Avenue), Cannizaro Road, Westside Common, Woodhayes Road, 200 to Raynes Park (without the Copse Hill double run). To link Raynes Park with Putney and Central London. Cutting the 22 to Sloane Square is viable because there is the 19 from Chelsea to connect as far as Green Park. 19 - rerouted between Tottenham Court Road and Angel via 14 to Russell Square, Euston and King's Cross. To maintain links lost by 14. Passengers as far as Hyde Park Corner can continue their journey as far as Highbury on the 38. 30/38 - routes swapped between Angel and Canonbury. So that the 38 can match the 19's route between Hyde Park and Higbury. (Due to the 19's rerouting) 74/430 - merged, but withdrawn between Baker Street and Marble Arch without replacement, to improve reliability. Rerouted between Putney Bridge and Dover House Road via 22 to Putney Common, Queen's Ride and South Circular Road. To link Barnes with Central London, and to provide Queen's Ride with a bus route. Route will be numbered 74 and operates from Marble Arch to Roehampton. Replaces the 414 between South Kensington and Marble Arch 414 - withdrawn between Marble Arch and South Kensington, and between Putney Bridge and Fulham Broadway. Rerouted to Mitcham via 28 to Wandsworth, 270 to Mitcham. To make the 414 more useful rather than duplicating the 14, and also to retain the link between Wandsworth and Mitcham, to increase capacity on Garratt Lane, and to link Mitcham to central London. 270 - withdrawn between Tooting (Amen Corner) and Mitcham. (Replaced by 414). Rerouted to Streatham, St Leonard's Church. To link Putney and Wandsworth with Streatham. The 38 wouldn't do too much to solve the problems of the 19 not being there, as I say the 73 should've stayed at Victoria as that was clearly the more popular route with the 390 revised to run as an Archway to Oxford Circus local service. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 30, 2021 22:03:59 GMT
14 - withdrawn between Green Park and Russell Square and rerouted to Oxford Circus. Extended from Putney Heath to Roehampton Vale Asda via Tibbets Corner and A3. To decrease journey times between Putney and Oxford Circus and to link Roehampton Vale with central London 22 - withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Sloane Square, and Putney Bridge south side and Putney Common. Extended to Raynes Park via 93 to Wimbledon (Parkside Avenue), Cannizaro Road, Westside Common, Woodhayes Road, 200 to Raynes Park (without the Copse Hill double run). To link Raynes Park with Putney and Central London. Cutting the 22 to Sloane Square is viable because there is the 19 from Chelsea to connect as far as Green Park. 19 - rerouted between Tottenham Court Road and Angel via 14 to Russell Square, Euston and King's Cross. To maintain links lost by 14. Passengers as far as Hyde Park Corner can continue their journey as far as Highbury on the 38. 30/38 - routes swapped between Angel and Canonbury. So that the 38 can match the 19's route between Hyde Park and Higbury. (Due to the 19's rerouting) 74/430 - merged, but withdrawn between Baker Street and Marble Arch without replacement, to improve reliability. Rerouted between Putney Bridge and Dover House Road via 22 to Putney Common, Queen's Ride and South Circular Road. To link Barnes with Central London, and to provide Queen's Ride with a bus route. Route will be numbered 74 and operates from Marble Arch to Roehampton. Replaces the 414 between South Kensington and Marble Arch 414 - withdrawn between Marble Arch and South Kensington, and between Putney Bridge and Fulham Broadway. Rerouted to Mitcham via 28 to Wandsworth, 270 to Mitcham. To make the 414 more useful rather than duplicating the 14, and also to retain the link between Wandsworth and Mitcham, to increase capacity on Garratt Lane, and to link Mitcham to central London. 270 - withdrawn between Tooting (Amen Corner) and Mitcham. (Replaced by 414). Rerouted to Streatham, St Leonard's Church. To link Putney and Wandsworth with Streatham. Comments: 14: The 85 and 265 are sufficient between Putney and Roehampton, not sure what the point of adding the 14 would be. Also there is very limited stand space at the Asda. 22: Not sure Cannizzaro Road or Common Side West could support double deckers, Cannizzaro Road in particular is quite narrow and would need costly modification to widen it slightly to make it viable for a permanent service and not just casual coaches. 74/430: Upper Richmond Road would lose its direct route to Putney High Street which is arguably more useful then serving a couple of houses on Queens Ride. Also Barnes already has a central London link with the 22. 414/270: Whilst part of Garrett Lane needs extra capacity I’d argue that a small extension to the 28 or 220 to Earlsfield Station would be sufficient. As by that point the 77 joins the 44 and 270 to Tooting. Rerouting the 414 via the 28 would also way over bus Old York Road. Rerouting the 270 would also over bus Southcroft Road and Mitcham Lane. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 22:34:16 GMT
14 - withdrawn between Green Park and Russell Square and rerouted to Oxford Circus. Extended from Putney Heath to Roehampton Vale Asda via Tibbets Corner and A3. To decrease journey times between Putney and Oxford Circus and to link Roehampton Vale with central London 22 - withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Sloane Square, and Putney Bridge south side and Putney Common. Extended to Raynes Park via 93 to Wimbledon (Parkside Avenue), Cannizaro Road, Westside Common, Woodhayes Road, 200 to Raynes Park (without the Copse Hill double run). To link Raynes Park with Putney and Central London. Cutting the 22 to Sloane Square is viable because there is the 19 from Chelsea to connect as far as Green Park. 19 - rerouted between Tottenham Court Road and Angel via 14 to Russell Square, Euston and King's Cross. To maintain links lost by 14. Passengers as far as Hyde Park Corner can continue their journey as far as Highbury on the 38. 30/38 - routes swapped between Angel and Canonbury. So that the 38 can match the 19's route between Hyde Park and Higbury. (Due to the 19's rerouting) 74/430 - merged, but withdrawn between Baker Street and Marble Arch without replacement, to improve reliability. Rerouted between Putney Bridge and Dover House Road via 22 to Putney Common, Queen's Ride and South Circular Road. To link Barnes with Central London, and to provide Queen's Ride with a bus route. Route will be numbered 74 and operates from Marble Arch to Roehampton. Replaces the 414 between South Kensington and Marble Arch 414 - withdrawn between Marble Arch and South Kensington, and between Putney Bridge and Fulham Broadway. Rerouted to Mitcham via 28 to Wandsworth, 270 to Mitcham. To make the 414 more useful rather than duplicating the 14, and also to retain the link between Wandsworth and Mitcham, to increase capacity on Garratt Lane, and to link Mitcham to central London. 270 - withdrawn between Tooting (Amen Corner) and Mitcham. (Replaced by 414). Rerouted to Streatham, St Leonard's Church. To link Putney and Wandsworth with Streatham. Comments: 14: The 85 and 265 are sufficient between Putney and Roehampton, not sure what the point of adding the 14 would be. Also there is very limited stand space at the Asda. 22: Not sure Cannizzaro Road or Common Side West could support double deckers, Cannizzaro Road in particular is quite narrow and would need costly modification to widen it slightly to make it viable for a permanent service and not just casual coaches. 74/430: Upper Richmond Road would lose its direct route to Putney High Street which is arguably more useful then serving a couple of houses on Queens Ride. Also Barnes already has a central London link with the 22. 414/270: Whilst part of Garrett Lane needs extra capacity I’d argue that a small extension to the 28 or 220 to Earlsfield Station would be sufficient. As by that point the 77 joins the 44 and 270 to Tooting. Rerouting the 414 via the 28 would also way over bus Old York Road. Rerouting the 270 would also over bus Southcroft Road and Mitcham Lane. 14 - it would link Roehampton Vale to central London, though if you say that there is sufficient capacity between Putney and Roehampton then the 430 could be rerouted to the Asda instead of the 14, with the 424 rerouted to Danebury Avenue, extended via A219, A3, Roehampton Lane and Danebury Avenue, but given a frequency increase and Sunday service, to retain the link between Danebury Avenue and Putney High Street. 22 - perhaps this could be modified to run via the 93 as far as Wimbledon station, then the 131 to Raynes Park, though this might overbus the Wimbledon-Raynes Park corridor Also the 22 doesn't really reach Barnes imo since it doesn't enter the borough of Richmond 414 - this could be rerouted via the A217 instead of Old York Road. The walk from there to the station is 2 minutes max. Not sure if this is worth it but perhaps a slight frequency decrease on the 333 would compensate the 270 rerouting to Streatham? It still has the 133 to support most of the remaining section. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 30, 2021 22:58:38 GMT
Comments: 14: The 85 and 265 are sufficient between Putney and Roehampton, not sure what the point of adding the 14 would be. Also there is very limited stand space at the Asda. 22: Not sure Cannizzaro Road or Common Side West could support double deckers, Cannizzaro Road in particular is quite narrow and would need costly modification to widen it slightly to make it viable for a permanent service and not just casual coaches. 74/430: Upper Richmond Road would lose its direct route to Putney High Street which is arguably more useful then serving a couple of houses on Queens Ride. Also Barnes already has a central London link with the 22. 414/270: Whilst part of Garrett Lane needs extra capacity I’d argue that a small extension to the 28 or 220 to Earlsfield Station would be sufficient. As by that point the 77 joins the 44 and 270 to Tooting. Rerouting the 414 via the 28 would also way over bus Old York Road. Rerouting the 270 would also over bus Southcroft Road and Mitcham Lane. 14 - it would link Roehampton Vale to central London, though if you say that there is sufficient capacity between Putney and Roehampton then the 430 could be rerouted to the Asda instead of the 14, with the 424 rerouted to Danebury Avenue, extended via A219, A3, Roehampton Lane and Danebury Avenue, but given a frequency increase and Sunday service, to retain the link between Danebury Avenue and Putney High Street. 22 - perhaps this could be modified to run via the 93 as far as Wimbledon station, then the 131 to Raynes Park, though this might overbus the Wimbledon-Raynes Park corridor Also the 22 doesn't really reach Barnes imo since it doesn't enter the borough of Richmond 414 - this could be rerouted via the A217 instead of Old York Road. The walk from there to the station is 2 minutes max. Not sure if this is worth it but perhaps a slight frequency decrease on the 333 would compensate the 270 rerouting to Streatham? It still has the 133 to support most of the remaining section. 14 - Again there simply isn’t enough stand space at the Asda to support another route so I’m not sure where the 430 would stand. The 424 takes an indirect route to Putney High Street and it would be even longer than just walking up and taking the 85 or 265. Traffic levels could also ruin the reliability of the low frequency 424. 22 - The 93 is sufficient on this section and the corridor has been reduced slightly in recent years. Having the 22, 57 and 131 on Worple Road would be too much, also from that direction there would need to be a new stand in either Worple Road or Coombe Lane for the 200 so the 22 could use the existing 200 stand. Otherwise the 22 would struggle to serve the station. Either way having the 22 on Worple Road would be too much. 414 - Might make it quicker but a bugger if passengers forget. Not sure reducing the frequency of the 333 just to support the 270 would be justifiable as it would affect the whole of the route. I just don’t agree with rerouting the 270 into another heavy traffic spot. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2021 0:14:52 GMT
Comments: 14: The 85 and 265 are sufficient between Putney and Roehampton, not sure what the point of adding the 14 would be. Also there is very limited stand space at the Asda. 22: Not sure Cannizzaro Road or Common Side West could support double deckers, Cannizzaro Road in particular is quite narrow and would need costly modification to widen it slightly to make it viable for a permanent service and not just casual coaches. 74/430: Upper Richmond Road would lose its direct route to Putney High Street which is arguably more useful then serving a couple of houses on Queens Ride. Also Barnes already has a central London link with the 22. 414/270: Whilst part of Garrett Lane needs extra capacity I’d argue that a small extension to the 28 or 220 to Earlsfield Station would be sufficient. As by that point the 77 joins the 44 and 270 to Tooting. Rerouting the 414 via the 28 would also way over bus Old York Road. Rerouting the 270 would also over bus Southcroft Road and Mitcham Lane. 14 - it would link Roehampton Vale to central London, though if you say that there is sufficient capacity between Putney and Roehampton then the 430 could be rerouted to the Asda instead of the 14, with the 424 rerouted to Danebury Avenue, extended via A219, A3, Roehampton Lane and Danebury Avenue, but given a frequency increase and Sunday service, to retain the link between Danebury Avenue and Putney High Street. 22 - perhaps this could be modified to run via the 93 as far as Wimbledon station, then the 131 to Raynes Park, though this might overbus the Wimbledon-Raynes Park corridor Also the 22 doesn't really reach Barnes imo since it doesn't enter the borough of Richmond 414 - this could be rerouted via the A217 instead of Old York Road. The walk from there to the station is 2 minutes max. Not sure if this is worth it but perhaps a slight frequency decrease on the 333 would compensate the 270 rerouting to Streatham? It still has the 133 to support most of the remaining section. The 333 needs it's current frequency personally - remember that the 133 doesn't support it between Brixton & Oval where the 333 splits away to Stockwell. The Brixton Hill corridor has had a large amount of frequent routes even in previous decades where the bus network had falling patronage. The other issue with terminating the 270 at St Leonard's Church is it misses any important objectives in Streatham as it's coming from the west. These objectives are to serve either the area around Becmead Avenue where all the shops are or to serve Streatham Station & the Tesco Extra which is a big pull from buses. |
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