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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 3, 2021 18:09:03 GMT
A suggestion for the 21/271 proposals - not that different, but could be less confusing. Also involves a few other changes that had been rumoured before. 12 - Extended from Oxford Circus to Marylebone via the 453. 21/453 - Merged to operate between Oxford Circus and Lewisham. Night service to match but continuing to Bexleyheath. 271 - Cut back to Holloway, and extended from Moorgate to New Cross or Deptford Bridge. N271 to extend to Highgate or Finchley if needed. I would like to see 12 return to Notting Hill Gate as it use to run it will restore Westminster to Notting Hill Link and keep it if 94 get withdrawn from Piccadilly Circus Is the 148 a joke to you? |
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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 3, 2021 18:19:14 GMT
N117:
Starts at Feltham Station ends at Richmond Bus Station
Follows normal 117 routing until West Middlesex Hospital, then continues down Twickenham Road, Chertsey Road, the Avenue, Twickenham Road, A307, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road.
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Post by someone on Dec 3, 2021 19:31:33 GMT
NEW route 391 - Crystal Palace to Eltham Station
towards Eltham Station:
Crystal Palace Parade (D)
Crystal Palace Park (E)
Crystal Palace Station (M)
Hamlet Road (A)
Thicket Road (B)
Anerley Road/Anerley Station (C)
Seymour Villas (D)
Betts Way (U)
Stodart Road (new stop, no letter)
Howard Road (new stop, no letter)
Blean Grove (new stop, no letter)
Maple Road/High Street (new stop, no letter)
Penge Lane (R)
Alexandra Road (new stop, W)
Cator Road (new stop, X)
Courtenay Road (new stop, Y)
Lennard Road/Kent House Road (new stop, Z)
Harris Girls' Academy (new stop, no letter)
Kings Hall Road (new stop, no letter)
Bridge Road (new stop, no letter)
Sellindge Close (new stop, no letter)
Alton Gardens (new stop, no letter)
Parkwood (new stop, no letter)
Copers Cope Road/Beckenham Junction Station (new stop, Q)
Brackley Road (S)
Stumps Hill Lane (T)
Highland Croft (SA)
Beckenham Hill Station (SB)
Beckenham Hill Road/Primrose Close (SC)
Whitefoot Lane/Bromley Road (SM)
Whitefoot Lane/Forster House (SN)
Downderry Road (new stop, no letter)
Whitefoot Terrace (new stop, no letter)
Verdant Lane (new stop, no letter)
Northover/Shroffold Road (R)
Downham Way/Northover (T)
The Green (U)
Grove Park Station (C)
Chinbrook Road/Baring Road (G)
Amblecote Road (H)
Marvels Lane/Chinbrook Road (A)
Hall View (no letter)
Eltham College (no letter)
Court Road/Mottingham Road (ML)
Mottingham Station (MN)
Royal Blackheath Golf Club (no letter)
Eltham Church/Well Hall Road (F)
Eltham Station/Lassa Road (no letter)
Eltham Bus Station (no letter)
towards Crystal Palace:
Eltham Bus Station (A)
Eltham Station/Lassa Road (E)
Eltham Church/Well Hall Road (G)
Eltham Church/Court Yard (K)
Royal Blackheath Golf Club (no letter)
Mottingham Station (MD)
Mottingham Road/Court Road (no letter)
Eltham College (no letter)
Hall View (no letter)
Marvels Lane (Z)
Amblecote Road (E)
Chinbrook Road/Baring Road (F)
Grove Park Station (D)
The Green (E)
Vanoc Gardens (G)
Northover/Shroffold Road (H)
Verdant Lane (new stop, no letter)
Whitefoot Terrace (new stop, no letter)
Haddington Road (SZ)
Whitefoot Lane/Forster House (SP)
Whitefoot Lane/Bromley Road (SR)
Green Man Community Hub (SX)
Primrose Close (SD)
Beckenham Hill Station (SE)
Highland Croft (SF)
Stumps Hill Lane (U)
Brackley Road (V)
Copers Cope Road/Beckenham Junction Station (new stop, P)
Alton Gardens (new stop, no letter)
Sellindge Close (new stop, no letter)
Bridge Road (new stop, no letter)
Kings Hall Road (new stop, no letter)
Harris Girls' Academy Bromley (new stop, no letter)
Lennard Road/Kent House Road (new stop, no letter)
Courtenay Road (new stop, no letter)
Alexandra Road (new stop, no letter)
Penge Lane (U)
Maple Road/High Street (new stop, no letter)
Maple Road/Franklin Road (new stop, no letter)
Stodart Road (new stop, no letter)
Maple Road/Christ Church (new stop, no letter)
Seymour Villas (Y)
Anerley Road/Anerley Station (H)
Anerley Park (J)
Thicket Road (K)
Crystal Palace Station (P)
Anerley Hill/Crystal Palace (F)
Crystal Palace Parade (C)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 19:37:48 GMT
W7 extended to Finchley Central station, via 102 to East Finchley, (alternative to go direct via Queen's Avenue), East End Road, 13 to Finchley Central.
Buses would stand and pick up on station road (new stand created), turn around on Wooton Grove and Lichfield Grove
To link Finchley Central with Muswell Hill
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 3, 2021 20:00:09 GMT
W7 extended to Finchley Central station, via 102 to East Finchley, (alternative to go direct via Queen's Avenue), East End Road, 13 to Finchley Central. Buses would stand and pick up on station road (new stand created), turn around on Wooton Grove and Lichfield Grove To link Finchley Central with Muswell Hill Are you serious? The W7 runs every 3 minutes!!!
Also none of the roads to turn around on would fit a double decker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 20:30:46 GMT
W7 extended to Finchley Central station, via 102 to East Finchley, (alternative to go direct via Queen's Avenue), East End Road, 13 to Finchley Central. Buses would stand and pick up on station road (new stand created), turn around on Wooton Grove and Lichfield Grove To link Finchley Central with Muswell Hill Are you serious? The W7 runs every 3 minutes!!!
Also none of the roads to turn around on would fit a double decker.
Yeah because there's currently no direct link from Finchley Central to Muswell Hill, whilst parts of East End Road do not have a bus route in the day |
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 3, 2021 20:32:29 GMT
N117: Starts at Feltham Station ends at Richmond Bus Station Follows normal 117 routing until West Middlesex Hospital, then continues down Twickenham Road, Chertsey Road, the Avenue, Twickenham Road, A307, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road. You'd be better off either continuing into Twickenham to create a Twickenham-Isleworth night link or replacing the H37 weekend night service and following that into Richmond. Only problem of approaching Twickenham from the north and still trying to get into Richmond is of course the turn onto York Street/Richmond Road. You'd have to use Arragon Road which would avoid most of the town centre completely. Once weekend night buses start coming back I'd advocate for a H22 weekend night service, it brings night travel to the Whitton Corner area and West Twickenham and provides that Twickenham-Isleworth link which I think is definitely needed. For the N117 I'd recommend doing the double run to WMH and then just following the H37 into Richmond and using the Manor Circus stand. I see what you're doing by approaching Richmond from Twickenham Bridge but you're missing out on St Margarets/East Twickenham which does have cross-borough night demand which is what made the H37's night service a success. Overall I like the idea of linking Feltham to Hounslow at night and its a link which should've come to fruition already. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 3, 2021 20:40:27 GMT
Are you serious? The W7 runs every 3 minutes!!!
Also none of the roads to turn around on would fit a double decker.
Yeah because there's currently no direct link from Finchley Central to Muswell Hill, whilst parts of East End Road do not have a bus route in the day But every 3 minutes? Seriously?
I'll be Mr Controversial and say that the section west of Manor View isn't crying out for a bus service, there is more demand towards Victoria Park/Squires Lane.
At most that section would maybe require a 15-20 minute SD service, not an every 3 minute DD W7.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 20:49:36 GMT
Yeah because there's currently no direct link from Finchley Central to Muswell Hill, whilst parts of East End Road do not have a bus route in the day But every 3 minutes? Seriously?
I'll be Mr Controversial and say that the section west of Manor View isn't crying out for a bus service, there is more demand towards Victoria Park/Squires Lane.
At most that section would maybe require a 15-20 minute SD service, not an every 3 minute DD W7.
The 234 could be diverted from Highgate to serve the section west of East Finchley that I was talking about. Maybe the 299 could do with a short extension from Muswell Hill to Highgate to compensate |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 3, 2021 20:57:29 GMT
But every 3 minutes? Seriously?
I'll be Mr Controversial and say that the section west of Manor View isn't crying out for a bus service, there is more demand towards Victoria Park/Squires Lane.
At most that section would maybe require a 15-20 minute SD service, not an every 3 minute DD W7.
The 234 could be diverted from Highgate to serve the section west of East Finchley that I was talking about. Maybe the 299 could do with a short extension from Muswell Hill to Highgate to compensate I don't agree with this because Highgate Wood to Muswell Hill loses capacity that it needs, I reckon the 299 would be the better one to divert to Finchley Central with the 234 left to Highgate Wood. I think an extra 3bph would be somewhat helpful. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 4, 2021 10:15:49 GMT
I don’t know to put this the fantasy thread or leave it in here 😂
B1:
New route between Harrow Weald and Willesden Junction.
Via:
High Road
Route 140 to Harrow Bus Station
College Road
Station Road
Peterborough Road
Kenton Road
Northwick Park Roundabout
Watford Road
Northwick Park Hospital
Kenton Road
Kenton Station
Woodcock Hill
Preston Road
Preston Road Station
East Lane
North Wembley Station
Harrowdene Road
Crawford Avenue
Copland Avenue
Harrow Road
Wembley High Road
Wembley Central Station
Point Place
Stonebridge Park Station
Route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital
Route 260 to Harlesden Station
487 to Willesden Junction
Purpose:
To replace the Bakerloo Line just case it’s withdrawn.
Using:
Electric double deckers.
B2:
Between Willesden Junction and Baker Street.
Via:
Station Approach
Route 220 to Harrow Road
Harrow Road
Kensal Green Station
Kilburn Lane
Route 316 to Carlton Vale
Carlton Vale
Kilburn Park Road
Rudolph Road
Oxford Road
Kilburn High Road
Maida Vale
Maida Vale Station
Clifton Road
Route 6 to Warwick Avenue Station
Route 46 to Paddington
Purpose:
To replace the Bakerloo Line just in case it’s shut.
Using:
Electric double deckers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 10:17:56 GMT
I don’t know to put this the fantasy thread or leave it in here 😂 B1: New route between Harrow Weald and Willesden Junction. Via: High Road Route 140 to Harrow Bus Station College Road Station Road Peterborough Road Kenton Road Northwick Park Roundabout Watford Road Northwick Park Hospital Kenton Road Kenton Station Woodcock Hill Preston Road Preston Road Station East Lane North Wembley Station Harrowdene Road Crawford Avenue Copland Avenue Harrow Road Wembley High Road Wembley Central Station Point Place Stonebridge Park Station Route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital Route 260 to Harlesden Station 487 to Willesden Junction Purpose: To replace the Bakerloo Line just case it’s withdrawn. Using: Electric double deckers. B2: Between Willesden Junction and Baker Street. Via: Station Approach Route 220 to Harrow Road Harrow Road Kensal Green Station Kilburn Lane Route 316 to Carlton Vale Carlton Vale Kilburn Park Road Rudolph Road Oxford Road Kilburn High Road Maida Vale Maida Vale Station Clifton Road Route 6 to Warwick Avenue Station Route 46 to Paddington Purpose: To replace the Bakerloo Line just in case it’s shut. Using: Electric double deckers. Not bad in theory but I don't know if Tfl would ever consider it. It just seems a bit too fantasy for me |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 4, 2021 12:25:54 GMT
I don’t know to put this the fantasy thread or leave it in here 😂 B1: New route between Harrow Weald and Willesden Junction. <snip> Purpose: To replace the Bakerloo Line just case it’s withdrawn. Using: Electric double deckers. B2: Between Willesden Junction and Baker Street. <snip> Purpose: To replace the Bakerloo Line just in case it’s shut. Using: Electric double deckers. B1 would be unnecessary as the London Overground would continue to operate. TfL would be more likely to beef up existing bus routes (any or all of 6, 46, 98) rather then introduce a dedicated new route such as the B2. It is the Maida Vale/Warwick Avenue area that will be impacted most by any withdrawal of the Bakerloo Line as there aren't alternative tube or rail stations nearby. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 4, 2021 19:07:55 GMT
After having a look at the previous posts, I feel that culling the Bakerloo Line is too extreme. What about some other cuts to outer extremities of tube lines, replaced by buses with lower capacities?
Could some of the North-eastern Central line go? A lot of this is outside the GLA, so I'm surprised TfL haven't done something about this earlier.
NEW BUS ROUTE X49:
Epping Station - Station Road - High Street - (High Road - Theydon Road - Piercing Hill - Coppice Row) - Theydon Bois Station - (Abridge Road) - Abridge Market Place - London Road - (Abridge Road - Chigwell Lane) - Debden The Broadway - Burton Road - (Borders Lane - Alderton Hill) - Loughton Station - Old Station Road - (High Road) - Palmerston Road - Buckhurst Hill Station Victoria Road - (Albert Road - Buckhurst Way - Hillside Avenue) - Woodford Station
EXTENSION TO BUS ROUTE 362:
From Whalebone Lane North: Romford Road - Lambourne Road - Manor Road - Grange Hill Station - Manford Way - Brocket Way - The Lowe - Hainault New North Road - Fencepiece Road - Hainault Road - Chigwell Station - Chigwell Rise - Roding Lane - Buckhurst Hill Station Victoria Road - Albert Road - Buckhurst Way - Roding Valley Station - Hillside Avenue - Woodford Station St Barnabas Road - Broadmead Road - Chigwell Road - George Lane - South Woodford Station
X49 - Every 12 minutes with 10.2m single decks. Express sections in brackets.
No change to 362 vehicle type but frequency increased to every 20 minutes. 549 withdrawn.
Central Line - All trains cut back to Woodford instead of continuing Epping-bound. There will still be 5 with-the-flow peak journeys on the Central Line from Epping Monday to Friday only.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 20:12:51 GMT
After having a look at the previous posts, I feel that culling the Bakerloo Line is too extreme. What about some other cuts to outer extremities of tube lines, replaced by buses with lower capacities? Could some of the North-eastern Central line go? A lot of this is outside the GLA, so I'm surprised TfL haven't done something about this earlier. NEW BUS ROUTE X49: Epping Station - Station Road - High Street - (High Road - Theydon Road - Piercing Hill - Coppice Row) - Theydon Bois Station - (Abridge Road) - Abridge Market Place - London Road - (Abridge Road - Chigwell Lane) - Debden The Broadway - Burton Road - (Borders Lane - Alderton Hill) - Loughton Station - Old Station Road - (High Road) - Palmerston Road - Buckhurst Hill Station Victoria Road - (Albert Road - Buckhurst Way - Hillside Avenue) - Woodford Station
EXTENSION TO BUS ROUTE 362:
From Whalebone Lane North: Romford Road - Lambourne Road - Manor Road - Grange Hill Station - Manford Way - Brocket Way - The Lowe - Hainault New North Road - Fencepiece Road - Hainault Road - Chigwell Station - Chigwell Rise - Roding Lane - Buckhurst Hill Station Victoria Road - Albert Road - Buckhurst Way - Roding Valley Station - Hillside Avenue - Woodford Station St Barnabas Road - Broadmead Road - Chigwell Road - George Lane - South Woodford Station
X49 - Every 12 minutes with 10.2m single decks. Express sections in brackets. No change to 362 vehicle type but frequency increased to every 20 minutes. 549 withdrawn. Central Line - All trains cut back to Woodford instead of continuing Epping-bound. There will still be 5 with-the-flow peak journeys on the Central Line from Epping Monday to Friday only. Is there really going to be demand for this bus route if the Central line disappears at this section? I don't think this part of the Central line is at risk, if anything it's the section between Woodford-Hainault, that section doesn't have through trains to central London in the off peaks anymore. |
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