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Post by COBO on Dec 19, 2021 7:10:14 GMT
I know TFL are having somesort of funding issues at the moment but i think they should start introducing more Express/Limited Stop Routes on busy routes like they have with 140 and 207/427 so i came up with these ideas. New Express/Limited Stop Routes: X86: Romford Station - Aldgate via 86 and 25 X149: Liverpool Street - Waltham Cross via 149 and 279 653: Aldgate - Eustion via 253 and 254. These are some of the Express routes i can think of at the top of my head and i know some of these are abit controversial but i'd still like to know your thoughts. Crossrail is being built for a reason. No need for some X86 route. What reason is that?
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Post by js11 on Dec 19, 2021 9:23:12 GMT
Extend 8 back to Oxford Circus and 25 to Holborn and put 98 to Oxford Circus or Tottenham Court Road, or 25 to Tottenham Court Road. Possibly withdraw 55 from Oxford Circus because the route might be too long and put it to Holborn or Tottenham Court Road. Is Route 55 too long and should it be cut from Oxford Circus to extend 8 or can they both be at Oxford Circus?
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Post by WH241 on Dec 19, 2021 9:57:37 GMT
Crossrail is being built for a reason. No need for some X86 route. What reason is that? Because the Elizabeth Line in theory* should take more passengers from the parallel bus routes between Romford and central London meaning there wouldn't be any need for express route. Anyway a express route really wouldn't work along the Romford road due to the sheer amount of traffic hotspots.
* I say in theory but must be remembered a lot of low income passengers use the 25, 86 and 425 and will continue too when the line opens.
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Post by abellion on Dec 19, 2021 11:11:40 GMT
Also the 653 would hit quite a few hotspots. The turning out from Aldgate, Whitechapel, Well Street, Hackney, Holloway can sometimes be iffy, Camden & Euston. Wouldn't be viable in this day and age but I'd love to see a monstrous 253 come back someday One thing I must say about the 253 & actually the 73 as well is that 20 years ago those two routes were the busiest in London, yet nowadays the two of them are such former shadows of themselves (mainly down to the 253s PVR nowadays esp after the freq reduction). The 253 I can understand was split into two legs however the 73 really has become a former shadow of itself, with the cutback to Stoke Newington when it converted to Bendy operation & the 390 replacing the 73 to Victoria (which was a shambolic move) Between Aldgate and Stamford Hill I could see congestion issues, but from Stamford Hill/Manor House to Euston, the traffic levels shouldn’t be so bad. I also agree 73 should of stayed at Victoria instead of 390, to be honest I’m surprised both of those routes haven’t gotten a frequency cut yet. Agreed - I was in Angel the other day. Walking around I saw 3 empty ones, then waiting for a 205 for a few minutes I saw another 3 73s, only one was anywhere near busy, then on the 205 going down the common section with the 73 there seemed to be an endless amount all carrying air. Meanwhile other 205s were all busy but not appearing nearly as much
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 19, 2021 12:02:03 GMT
Between Aldgate and Stamford Hill I could see congestion issues, but from Stamford Hill/Manor House to Euston, the traffic levels shouldn’t be so bad. I also agree 73 should of stayed at Victoria instead of 390, to be honest I’m surprised both of those routes haven’t gotten a frequency cut yet. Agreed - I was in Angel the other day. Walking around I saw 3 empty ones, then waiting for a 205 for a few minutes I saw another 3 73s, only one was anywhere near busy, then on the 205 going down the common section with the 73 there seemed to be an endless amount all carrying air. Meanwhile other 205s were all busy but not appearing nearly as much As I say it really was a shame about the 73s cutback because it had quite a strong flow of people coming in from Islington for example and I imagine this was another one of TFLs ways to push people onto the tube. I would've, bitten my lip maybe in 2009, and even gone as far as to say you could merge the 41 & 390, however the 390 has a very high frequency on its northern section for the actual demand (the Central Section needs the capacity however) but that now would be off the table in regards to a merger, even if you only extended the 41 to UCH or King's Cross or Euston it would hit nasty traffic hotspots and in all honesty I think the 41 does its job really well as is. And that's not to say the 41 doesn't, at Seven Sisters and at Turnpike Lane westbound traffic can snarl up and also has a very padded off peak, weekend and even peak timetable. Surely you could save a bit of dosh purely by tightening the schedule a bit?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 19, 2021 12:59:20 GMT
Agreed - I was in Angel the other day. Walking around I saw 3 empty ones, then waiting for a 205 for a few minutes I saw another 3 73s, only one was anywhere near busy, then on the 205 going down the common section with the 73 there seemed to be an endless amount all carrying air. Meanwhile other 205s were all busy but not appearing nearly as much As I say it really was a shame about the 73s cutback because it had quite a strong flow of people coming in from Islington for example and I imagine this was another one of TFLs ways to push people onto the tube. I would've, bitten my lip maybe in 2009, and even gone as far as to say you could merge the 41 & 390, however the 390 has a very high frequency on its northern section for the actual demand (the Central Section needs the capacity however) but that now would be off the table in regards to a merger, even if you only extended the 41 to UCH or King's Cross or Euston it would hit nasty traffic hotspots and in all honesty I think the 41 does its job really well as is. And that's not to say the 41 doesn't, at Seven Sisters and at Turnpike Lane westbound traffic can snarl up and also has a very padded off peak, weekend and even peak timetable. Surely you could save a bit of dosh purely by tightening the schedule a bit? Could the 30 be rerouted to Archway and the 390 to Hackney instead? I've often heard people complain about overcrowding on the 30 and I don't think that the new frequencies would be unreasonable. Maybe not between Hackney Central and Hackney Wick, but that could be solved by a 38 split so: 30 Archway to Marble Arch via Baker Street 6bph 38 Victoria to Clapton Pond via Piccadilly Circus 6bph 338 Victoria to Hackney Wick via Piccadilly Circus 6bph 390 Victoria to Hackney Central via Oxford Street 10bph
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 19, 2021 13:01:14 GMT
As I say it really was a shame about the 73s cutback because it had quite a strong flow of people coming in from Islington for example and I imagine this was another one of TFLs ways to push people onto the tube. I would've, bitten my lip maybe in 2009, and even gone as far as to say you could merge the 41 & 390, however the 390 has a very high frequency on its northern section for the actual demand (the Central Section needs the capacity however) but that now would be off the table in regards to a merger, even if you only extended the 41 to UCH or King's Cross or Euston it would hit nasty traffic hotspots and in all honesty I think the 41 does its job really well as is. And that's not to say the 41 doesn't, at Seven Sisters and at Turnpike Lane westbound traffic can snarl up and also has a very padded off peak, weekend and even peak timetable. Surely you could save a bit of dosh purely by tightening the schedule a bit? Could the 30 be rerouted to Archway and the 390 to Hackney instead? I've often heard people complain about overcrowding on the 30 and I don't think that the new frequencies would be unreasonable. Maybe not between Hackney Central and Hackney Wick, but that could be solved by a 38 split so: 30 Archway to Marble Arch via Baker Street 6bph 38 Victoria to Clapton Pond via Piccadilly Circus 6bph 338 Victoria to Hackney Wick via Piccadilly Circus 6bph 390 Victoria to Hackney Central via Oxford Street 10bph I think everything is fine left as is and I've mentioned before overcrowding along the 30 but it's mainly centred on the eastern section which would be solved by diverting the 263 to Dalston Junction.
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Post by dommci on Dec 19, 2021 19:18:50 GMT
Some route proposals for West London:
207 extended from Hayes-By-Pass to Hayes Sainsbury's with a new stand made by the U7 terminus. This is to provide a link with the retail park, to the 607 at The Grapes and to the buses to Hayes and Harlington.
If the reliability allows it, an extension to Hayes & Harlington via Coldharbour Lane could be achievable, with an extra stand being created by the 350 Hayes ASDA terminus. This is to create links with many buses at Hayes and Harlington as well as Crossrail
427 rerouted to terminate at North Acton via Horn Lane. This is to create links to Crossrail at Acton Main Line as well as create a bus link to Acton Main Line and North Acton from Ealing Broadway and Uxbridge Road.
New bus 82 (random not currently existing bus number, could be anything else) Ealing Broadway to Wimbledon -Uxbridge Road -Gunnersbury Avenue -A315 (Chiswick High Road, King Street, Studland Street, Glenthorne Road) -Hammersmith Bus Station -A219 (Fulham Palace Road, Fulham High Street, Putney Bridge Approach, Putney High Street) -Upper Richmond Road -A3 (West Hill, Armoury Way, Ram Street, Wandsworth High Street) -A218 (Buckhold Road, Merton Road) -Granville Road -Wimbledon Park Road -Church Road -A219 (High Street, High Street Wimbledon, Wimbledon Hill Road, The Broadway) This is to provide new links from Ealing to Chiswick, Hammersmith, Fulham, Putney, Wandsworth and Wimbledon. Currently, a journey from Ealing to any of these places cannot be done directly (by bus of course). Ealing and the areas it will connect will all benefit from this route. It will be operated by Double Deckers. An additional N82 bus will operate past Wimbledon to Sutton via Morden following 93 to Morden, looping by the station, and continuing following the 164 route to Sutton.
Let me know what you think about my proposals and whether you think there is anything I could improve on to make this scenario more realistic.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 19, 2021 19:24:52 GMT
Some route proposals for West London: 207 extended from Hayes-By-Pass to Hayes Sainsbury's with a new stand made by the U7 terminus. This is to provide a link with the retail park, to the 607 at The Grapes and to the buses to Hayes and Harlington. If the reliability allows it, an extension to Hayes & Harlington via Coldharbour Lane could be achievable, with an extra stand being created by the 350 Hayes ASDA terminus. This is to create links with many buses at Hayes and Harlington as well as Crossrail 427 rerouted to terminate at North Acton via Horn Lane. This is to create links to Crossrail at Acton Main Line as well as create a bus link to Acton Main Line and North Acton from Ealing Broadway and Uxbridge Road. New bus 82 (random not currently existing bus number, could be anything else) Ealing Broadway to Wimbledon -Uxbridge Road -Gunnersbury Avenue -A315 (Chiswick High Road, King Street, Studland Street, Glenthorne Road) -Hammersmith Bus Station -A219 (Fulham Palace Road, Fulham High Street, Putney Bridge Approach, Putney High Street) -Upper Richmond Road -A3 (West Hill, Armoury Way, Ram Street, Wandsworth High Street) -A218 (Buckhold Road, Merton Road) -Granville Road -Wimbledon Park Road -Church Road -A219 (High Street, High Street Wimbledon, Wimbledon Hill Road, The Broadway) This is to provide new links from Ealing to Chiswick, Hammersmith, Fulham, Putney, Wandsworth and Wimbledon. Currently, a journey from Ealing to any of these places cannot be done directly (by bus of course). Ealing and the areas it will connect will all benefit from this route. It will be operated by Double Deckers. An additional N82 bus will operate past Wimbledon to Sutton via Morden following 93 to Morden, looping by the station, and continuing following the 164 route to Sutton. Let me know what you think about my proposals and whether you think there is anything I could improve on to make this scenario more realistic. Good ideas but I don't think they're necessary in the current climate.
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Post by abellion on Dec 19, 2021 19:41:26 GMT
Some route proposals for West London: 207 extended from Hayes-By-Pass to Hayes Sainsbury's with a new stand made by the U7 terminus. This is to provide a link with the retail park, to the 607 at The Grapes and to the buses to Hayes and Harlington. If the reliability allows it, an extension to Hayes & Harlington via Coldharbour Lane could be achievable, with an extra stand being created by the 350 Hayes ASDA terminus. This is to create links with many buses at Hayes and Harlington as well as Crossrail 427 rerouted to terminate at North Acton via Horn Lane. This is to create links to Crossrail at Acton Main Line as well as create a bus link to Acton Main Line and North Acton from Ealing Broadway and Uxbridge Road. New bus 82 (random not currently existing bus number, could be anything else) Ealing Broadway to Wimbledon -Uxbridge Road -Gunnersbury Avenue -A315 (Chiswick High Road, King Street, Studland Street, Glenthorne Road) -Hammersmith Bus Station -A219 (Fulham Palace Road, Fulham High Street, Putney Bridge Approach, Putney High Street) -Upper Richmond Road -A3 (West Hill, Armoury Way, Ram Street, Wandsworth High Street) -A218 (Buckhold Road, Merton Road) -Granville Road -Wimbledon Park Road -Church Road -A219 (High Street, High Street Wimbledon, Wimbledon Hill Road, The Broadway) This is to provide new links from Ealing to Chiswick, Hammersmith, Fulham, Putney, Wandsworth and Wimbledon. Currently, a journey from Ealing to any of these places cannot be done directly (by bus of course). Ealing and the areas it will connect will all benefit from this route. It will be operated by Double Deckers. An additional N82 bus will operate past Wimbledon to Sutton via Morden following 93 to Morden, looping by the station, and continuing following the 164 route to Sutton. Let me know what you think about my proposals and whether you think there is anything I could improve on to make this scenario more realistic. I don't think there would be demand for a bus from Ealing/Chiswick to Wandsworth/Wimbledon. Plus going via Wandsworth subjects it to terrible traffic on Putney High Street and Wandsworth High Street when the 93 quickly cuts through Putney Heath. Maybe an Ealing - Fulham route to create a link between Fulham and Ealing/Chiswick and Hammersmith to Ealing which don't exist currently, I think that would work better
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 20:12:45 GMT
Crossrail is being built for a reason. No need for some X86 route. What reason is that? For more efficient journeys and better connectivity
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Post by COBO on Dec 19, 2021 22:56:48 GMT
For more efficient journeys and better connectivity So couldn’t the X86 run alongside Crossrail?
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Post by WH241 on Dec 19, 2021 23:02:28 GMT
For more efficient journeys and better connectivity So couldn’t the N86 run alongside Crossrail? Whats the point when you already have the 25,86 and 425. See my other post too about traffic hotspots.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2021 23:19:14 GMT
For more efficient journeys and better connectivity So couldn’t the N86 run alongside Crossrail? No one is talking about the N86, people are saying, rightfully IMO, that there is little point of a X86 when TfL Rail currently exists and even more so when Crossrail is running.
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Post by COBO on Dec 19, 2021 23:20:22 GMT
So couldn’t the N86 run alongside Crossrail? No one is talking about the N86, people are saying, rightfully IMO, that there is little point of a X86 when TfL Rail currently exists and even more so when Crossrail is running. I meant the X86.
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