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Post by js11 on Dec 18, 2021 19:39:30 GMT
Route 115 could be withdrawn and 15 extended to Canning Town, Hermit Road and instead of 330 going to North Woolwich, extend it to Poplar or Canary Wharf. There was an active proposal for years and years to extend the 330 to Canary Wharf, starting in about 2007 I think, but the recession of 2007/2008 meant many developments along the route and indeed in lots of places took longer to come on stream than otherwise envisaged or developers really tightened up on commitments like S106 (local infrastructure, buses and more) or affordable housing provision. S106 contributions would have funded the extra PVR for it. By the time things had picked up, the travel patterns had evolved and the idea wasn't taken forward when they reviewed the whole area network in 2014/2015. What about 15 and 115?
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 18, 2021 19:45:43 GMT
There was an active proposal for years and years to extend the 330 to Canary Wharf, starting in about 2007 I think, but the recession of 2007/2008 meant many developments along the route and indeed in lots of places took longer to come on stream than otherwise envisaged or developers really tightened up on commitments like S106 (local infrastructure, buses and more) or affordable housing provision. S106 contributions would have funded the extra PVR for it. By the time things had picked up, the travel patterns had evolved and the idea wasn't taken forward when they reviewed the whole area network in 2014/2015. What about 15 and 115? That would be reducing a lot of capacity along the Commercial Road corridor. Has it had a sustained decline in ridership recently?
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Post by WH241 on Dec 18, 2021 20:11:31 GMT
Route 115 could be withdrawn and 15 extended to Canning Town, Hermit Road and instead of 330 going to North Woolwich, extend it to Poplar or Canary Wharf. Guessing you not local ? Canning Town Hermet Road stand already struggles with two routes (Until the 241 is diverted) let alone taking LTs. I think they would struggle with the tight turns especially on exiting back onto Barking Road. If the 15 is ever extended Canning Town station would be more suitable. Also it needs to be rememberer Blackwall station should really have a bus service so something would need to replace the 15 perhaps the D6 double running.
Also the 330 is going to Pontoon Dock not North Woolwich.
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Post by js11 on Dec 18, 2021 20:25:15 GMT
Route 115 could be withdrawn and 15 extended to Canning Town, Hermit Road and instead of 330 going to North Woolwich, extend it to Poplar or Canary Wharf. Guessing you not local ? Canning Town Hermet Road stand already struggles with two routes (Until the 241 is diverted) let alone taking LTs. I think they would struggle with the tight turns especially on exiting back onto Barking Road. If the 15 is ever extended Canning Town station would be more suitable. Also it needs to be rememberer Blackwall station should really have a bus service so something would need to replace the 15 perhaps the D6 double running.
Also the 330 is going to Pontoon Dock not North Woolwich.
Maybe extend the 15 to Royal Wharf via Canning Town Station and leave the 330 how it is. Double track D6 and maybe D8 at Blackwall?
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Post by WH241 on Dec 18, 2021 20:30:20 GMT
Guessing you not local ? Canning Town Hermet Road stand already struggles with two routes (Until the 241 is diverted) let alone taking LTs. I think they would struggle with the tight turns especially on exiting back onto Barking Road. If the 15 is ever extended Canning Town station would be more suitable. Also it needs to be rememberer Blackwall station should really have a bus service so something would need to replace the 15 perhaps the D6 double running.
Also the 330 is going to Pontoon Dock not North Woolwich.
Maybe extend the 15 to Royal Wharf via Canning Town Station and leave the 330 how it is. Double track D6 and maybe D8 at Blackwall? Sorry but don't see the point in the 15 suggestion plus it should be remembered that the 330 changes are confirmed so any further changes are very much just fantasy.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 18, 2021 20:42:58 GMT
Guessing you not local ? Canning Town Hermet Road stand already struggles with two routes (Until the 241 is diverted) let alone taking LTs. I think they would struggle with the tight turns especially on exiting back onto Barking Road. If the 15 is ever extended Canning Town station would be more suitable. Also it needs to be rememberer Blackwall station should really have a bus service so something would need to replace the 15 perhaps the D6 double running.
Also the 330 is going to Pontoon Dock not North Woolwich.
Maybe extend the 15 to Royal Wharf via Canning Town Station and leave the 330 how it is. Double track D6 and maybe D8 at Blackwall? I assume you mean double deck, D6 is a bus not a rail line.
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Post by js11 on Dec 18, 2021 21:03:38 GMT
Maybe extend the 15 to Royal Wharf via Canning Town Station and leave the 330 how it is. Double track D6 and maybe D8 at Blackwall? I assume you mean double deck, D6 is a bus not a rail line. I meant make D6 stop at Blackwall Station Bus Station if the 15 gets extended to Canning Town Station to have a route serving Blackwall Station.
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Post by Trafalgax on Dec 18, 2021 23:04:23 GMT
I know TFL are having somesort of funding issues at the moment but i think they should start introducing more Express/Limited Stop Routes on busy routes like they have with 140 and 207/427 so i came up with these ideas.
New Express/Limited Stop Routes:
X86: Romford Station - Aldgate via 86 and 25
X149: Liverpool Street - Waltham Cross via 149 and 279
653: Aldgate - Eustion via 253 and 254.
These are some of the Express routes i can think of at the top of my head and i know some of these are abit controversial but i'd still like to know your thoughts.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 18, 2021 23:33:14 GMT
I know TFL are having somesort of funding issues at the moment but i think they should start introducing more Express/Limited Stop Routes on busy routes like they have with 140 and 207/427 so i came up with these ideas. New Express/Limited Stop Routes: X86: Romford Station - Aldgate via 86 and 25 X149: Liverpool Street - Waltham Cross via 149 and 279 653: Aldgate - Eustion via 253 and 254. These are some of the Express routes i can think of at the top of my head and i know some of these are abit controversial but i'd still like to know your thoughts. Express routes like these get mentioned a lot on here but the fundamental issue with these is the further into London they go, the more traffic they end up getting bogged down in. The remaining express routes all either have more favourable traffic conditions and/or provide links that don't otherwise exist - X140 provides the 140's old link, X26 provides links to Heathrow from places that have no other mode of transport like anywhere between New Malden, Worcester Park & beyond, X68 exists primarily due to Upper Norwood having poor train links, etc. The 207 & 427 is flanked by a limited stop route in the 607 rather than an express route but again, the Uxbridge Road corridor beyond Southall has favourable traffic conditions. Running an express route between two places via Outer London and staying in Outer London could work such as a Edgware to Enfield route just as a rough example. Outside of that, getting from Aldgate to Euston would be much quicker via the 205.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 18, 2021 23:42:20 GMT
I know TFL are having somesort of funding issues at the moment but i think they should start introducing more Express/Limited Stop Routes on busy routes like they have with 140 and 207/427 so i came up with these ideas. New Express/Limited Stop Routes: X86: Romford Station - Aldgate via 86 and 25 X149: Liverpool Street - Waltham Cross via 149 and 279 653: Aldgate - Eustion via 253 and 254. These are some of the Express routes i can think of at the top of my head and i know some of these are abit controversial but i'd still like to know your thoughts. Express routes like these get mentioned a lot on here but the fundamental issue with these is the further into London they go, the more traffic they end up getting bogged down in. The remaining express routes all either have more favourable traffic conditions and/or provide links that don't otherwise exist - X140 provides the 140's old link, X26 provides links to Heathrow from places that have no other mode of transport like anywhere between New Malden, Worcester Park & beyond, X68 exists primarily due to Upper Norwood having poor train links, etc. The 207 & 427 is flanked by a limited stop route in the 607 rather than an express route but again, the Uxbridge Road corridor beyond Southall has favourable traffic conditions. Running an express route between two places via Outer London and staying in Outer London could work such as a Edgware to Enfield route just as a rough example. Outside of that, getting from Aldgate to Euston would be much quicker via the 205. Also the 653 would hit quite a few hotspots. The turning out from Aldgate, Whitechapel, Well Street, Hackney, Holloway can sometimes be iffy, Camden & Euston. Wouldn't be viable in this day and age but I'd love to see a monstrous 253 come back someday One thing I must say about the 253 & actually the 73 as well is that 20 years ago those two routes were the busiest in London, yet nowadays the two of them are such former shadows of themselves (mainly down to the 253s PVR nowadays esp after the freq reduction). The 253 I can understand was split into two legs however the 73 really has become a former shadow of itself, with the cutback to Stoke Newington when it converted to Bendy operation & the 390 replacing the 73 to Victoria (which was a shambolic move)
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Post by Trafalgax on Dec 19, 2021 0:39:23 GMT
I know TFL are having somesort of funding issues at the moment but i think they should start introducing more Express/Limited Stop Routes on busy routes like they have with 140 and 207/427 so i came up with these ideas. New Express/Limited Stop Routes: X86: Romford Station - Aldgate via 86 and 25 X149: Liverpool Street - Waltham Cross via 149 and 279 653: Aldgate - Eustion via 253 and 254. These are some of the Express routes i can think of at the top of my head and i know some of these are abit controversial but i'd still like to know your thoughts. Express routes like these get mentioned a lot on here but the fundamental issue with these is the further into London they go, the more traffic they end up getting bogged down in. The remaining express routes all either have more favourable traffic conditions and/or provide links that don't otherwise exist - X140 provides the 140's old link, X26 provides links to Heathrow from places that have no other mode of transport like anywhere between New Malden, Worcester Park & beyond, X68 exists primarily due to Upper Norwood having poor train links, etc. The 207 & 427 is flanked by a limited stop route in the 607 rather than an express route but again, the Uxbridge Road corridor beyond Southall has favourable traffic conditions. Running an express route between two places via Outer London and staying in Outer London could work such as a Edgware to Enfield route just as a rough example. Outside of that, getting from Aldgate to Euston would be much quicker via the 205. I respect your opinion, I could see traffic issues on all of the express route I’ve mentions which would in turn affect the reliability of those routes. Although for X86 and X149, it would be like hitting two birds with one stone as both of them would run through and support the busiest sections of other routes such as 25 and 279 along with there non express counterparts. 253 and 254 are one of if not the most consistent trunk routes in London in terms of usage so I just thought locals would benefit from a Limited Stop Route running along those route.
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Post by Trafalgax on Dec 19, 2021 0:53:17 GMT
Express routes like these get mentioned a lot on here but the fundamental issue with these is the further into London they go, the more traffic they end up getting bogged down in. The remaining express routes all either have more favourable traffic conditions and/or provide links that don't otherwise exist - X140 provides the 140's old link, X26 provides links to Heathrow from places that have no other mode of transport like anywhere between New Malden, Worcester Park & beyond, X68 exists primarily due to Upper Norwood having poor train links, etc. The 207 & 427 is flanked by a limited stop route in the 607 rather than an express route but again, the Uxbridge Road corridor beyond Southall has favourable traffic conditions. Running an express route between two places via Outer London and staying in Outer London could work such as a Edgware to Enfield route just as a rough example. Outside of that, getting from Aldgate to Euston would be much quicker via the 205. Also the 653 would hit quite a few hotspots. The turning out from Aldgate, Whitechapel, Well Street, Hackney, Holloway can sometimes be iffy, Camden & Euston. Wouldn't be viable in this day and age but I'd love to see a monstrous 253 come back someday One thing I must say about the 253 & actually the 73 as well is that 20 years ago those two routes were the busiest in London, yet nowadays the two of them are such former shadows of themselves (mainly down to the 253s PVR nowadays esp after the freq reduction). The 253 I can understand was split into two legs however the 73 really has become a former shadow of itself, with the cutback to Stoke Newington when it converted to Bendy operation & the 390 replacing the 73 to Victoria (which was a shambolic move) Between Aldgate and Stamford Hill I could see congestion issues, but from Stamford Hill/Manor House to Euston, the traffic levels shouldn’t be so bad. I also agree 73 should of stayed at Victoria instead of 390, to be honest I’m surprised both of those routes haven’t gotten a frequency cut yet.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2021 1:19:28 GMT
Express routes like these get mentioned a lot on here but the fundamental issue with these is the further into London they go, the more traffic they end up getting bogged down in. The remaining express routes all either have more favourable traffic conditions and/or provide links that don't otherwise exist - X140 provides the 140's old link, X26 provides links to Heathrow from places that have no other mode of transport like anywhere between New Malden, Worcester Park & beyond, X68 exists primarily due to Upper Norwood having poor train links, etc. The 207 & 427 is flanked by a limited stop route in the 607 rather than an express route but again, the Uxbridge Road corridor beyond Southall has favourable traffic conditions. Running an express route between two places via Outer London and staying in Outer London could work such as a Edgware to Enfield route just as a rough example. Outside of that, getting from Aldgate to Euston would be much quicker via the 205. I respect your opinion, I could see traffic issues on all of the express route I’ve mentions which would in turn affect the reliability of those routes. Although for X86 and X149, it would be like hitting two birds with one stone as both of them would run through and support the busiest sections of other routes such as 25 and 279 along with there non express counterparts. 253 and 254 are one of if not the most consistent trunk routes in London in terms of usage so I just thought locals would benefit from a Limited Stop Route running along those route. The X86 for example already has TfL Rail run alongside a lot of it so essentially, anyone going to Aldgate from Romford would catch TfL Rail to Liverpool Street and then hop on a bus the short distance and that could even become a Crossrail train to Whitechapel and then a bus the short distance. The X149 would be ideal were it not for some god awful traffic on that corridor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 6:53:58 GMT
New route 475 operating between North Woolwich and Aldborough Hatch via Beckton, Barking, and Seven Kings. This would create a regular bus service on Aldborough Road South to link to Seven Kings then Barking. The route would run every 12 mins with a PVR of 12. Here's the link to the visual. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgVnPQTYyDQ Link to the return journey👉 youtu.be/UUMon9AKOD0
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 6:58:04 GMT
I know TFL are having somesort of funding issues at the moment but i think they should start introducing more Express/Limited Stop Routes on busy routes like they have with 140 and 207/427 so i came up with these ideas. New Express/Limited Stop Routes: X86: Romford Station - Aldgate via 86 and 25 X149: Liverpool Street - Waltham Cross via 149 and 279 653: Aldgate - Eustion via 253 and 254. These are some of the Express routes i can think of at the top of my head and i know some of these are abit controversial but i'd still like to know your thoughts. Crossrail is being built for a reason. No need for some X86 route.
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